Trying to better grasp spirit.
11-03-2018, 11:38 PM,
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Trying to better grasp spirit.
I am still trying so hard to wrap my head around what spirit is. This quote by Ra doesnt really help me. Can anybody explain it to me? Maybe if i thought about it in a different way.....thanks!!

This spirit complex is the channel whereby the inpourings from all of the various universal, planetary, and personal inpourings may be funneled into the roots of consciousness and whereby consciousness may be funneled to the gateway of intelligent infinity through the balanced intelligent energy of body and mind.

And if you really understand can you explain how it relates specifically to the last 7 major arcana? Thx!!
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11-04-2018, 02:31 AM,
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(11-03-2018, 11:38 PM)Taralie Peterdaughter Wrote:  I am still trying so hard to wrap my head around what spirit is.  This quote by Ra doesnt really help me.  Can anybody explain it to me?   Maybe if i thought about it in a different way.....thanks!!

This spirit complex is the channel whereby the inpourings from all of the various universal, planetary, and personal inpourings may be funneled into the roots of consciousness and whereby consciousness may be funneled to the gateway of intelligent infinity through the balanced intelligent energy of body and mind.

And if you really understand can you explain how it relates specifically to the last 7 major arcana?  Thx!!

The first question: "what is spirit?" I found the following Ra quote helpful:


Ra: [...] imagine, if you will, the function of the magnet. The magnet has two poles. One reaches up. The other goes down. The function of the spirit is to integrate the upreaching yearning of the mind/body energy with the downpouring and streaming of infinite intelligence.


I would say that spirit is truth. And truth is also awareness (beingness). It is also the magnetizing sense of unity with all that is. What is the difference between spirit and mind? One is like light, the other, the mind, is like color reflecting off an object. The color is reflected light -- it has specific content and form. The form that is illuminated by this light is like the body, which also has particular characteristics. There are a lot of analogies you could use. Ponder the relationship between force and form. I would describe the spirit as beingness and mind as the mirror for beingness and the reflection of that is the outer universe (the body). The outer universe reflects the inner universe (on a macroscopic and microscopic scale). And the mind is that identity that exists along that continuum. The mind imagines separation, unless it has, through the process of transformation and use of catalyst become a perfectly polished mirror for beingness or spirit. In such a case, it will no longer imagine separation where it never actually was. A distorted mirror will reflect a distorted image. But the function of the mind is to reflect beingness, just as the function of the spirit is to integrate by illumination. By the disciplined use of faith and will, the mirror is gradually polished to the point of providing an accurate reflection/experience of the potentiated one infinite creator.   

So you can think of the "spirit complex" as the relationship between infinite truth and whatever degree of falsity the mind has latched onto, or identified with (distortion/smudges on mirror). A distortion can begin to be less distorted as this dialog grows. Or you can think of it as the relationship between the truth of infinite unity and the illusion of separation. It is also described as a "shuttle" because it "conveys" information back and forth. When opened, it allows information to travel to and from self and creator. It is important to note this communication between self and creator is always occurring, but when opened it becomes conscious to whatever degree it is opened.


Ra: [...] The third area is the spiritual complex which embodies the fields of force and consciousness which are the least distorted of your mind/body/spirit complex. The exploration and balancing of the spirit complex is indeed the longest and most subtle part of your learn/teaching. We have considered the mind as a tree. The mind controls the body. With the mind single-pointed, balanced, and aware, the body comfortable in whatever biases and distortions make it appropriately balanced for that instrument, the instrument is then ready to proceed with the great work.

That is the work of wind and fire. The spiritual body energy field is a pathway, or channel. When body and mind are receptive and open, then the spirit can become a functioning shuttle or communicator from the entity’s individual energy of will upwards, and from the streamings of the creative fire and wind downwards. [...]  


Sometimes Ra refers to "spiritual entropy" that negative beings are constantly experiencing while trying to move closer to the creators infinite power (which prevents them from gaining more power). I would describe it as the "resistance to unity". Positive beings don't experience this same degree of spiritual entropy while trying to integrate with the creator, because they can readily accept that all are the creator, as opposed to just the self or a few elite selves. The negatives have no problem with the creators power, but they have major problems integrating or balancing the creators love. "Because unity contains all, it cannot abhor any."

Quote:En·tro·py

1.PHYSICS: a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system.

2. lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder.

Your second question is very broad, so it is difficult to give you anything substantial. But it is about the relationship between truth/light and falsity/dark played out in an alchemical (transformative) sense.

Do you have a more specific question regarding the last 7 arcana?

Anyway, I hope that helps!

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11-04-2018, 02:38 AM,
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Funny question, what is spirit?  How can one define--or begin to understand--something not apprehended by the senses?  This challenge brings to mind Ra's comment that trying to find one's way in such matters is to travel a moonlit path and to be susceptible to pitfalls at every step.

I don't understand anything about this stuff, but I can offer you some perspective on the matter from an experiential, rather than a rhetorical or a theoretical, point of view.

So, can you tell me what corporeality is?  Science tells us, although it appears to define "reality," it actually merely gives the impression of being solid and firm.  The deeper reality is vibrating particles, and beneath that lies something else, and so on.

But, one potentially useful thing we can say about it is that it offers a framework through which  consciousness may explore itself.  That is, we can have these corporeal experiences and learn about existence and survival and relationships and wisdom and love...and a few other things.  Likewise, spirit is a framework for consciousness to explore itself.  It offers experiences of light and love and grace and overflowing generosity, etc.

Within the context of a simple human life, the experience of consciousness at the level of the first three chakras is primary, while the experience of the 6th is small to non-existent.  Some of us explore it through deep faith, and that is a means I might recommend.

There's some perspective on the matter.  The specific snippet you quote appears to refer to the capacity of the adept to experience conscious, not merely on a personal level, but also that which is elementally rooted in our dear planet as well as that which is sent to us from far more advanced beings and such.  The level of consciousness that we call "spirit" has the capacity to work with such flows of energies.

Just one final thought.  The skillful experience of such things generally requires a markedly humble regard for the thing we call self.
 
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11-04-2018, 12:19 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-04-2018, 12:21 PM by Infinite Unity.)
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A shuttle : The spiritual complex is a shuttle, the shuttling is information. Your inflow or how developed your spiritual complex is determines the apeture of the information. What you consider or feel as your soul, is the pulse of the shuttle, because the spiritual complex beats like a heart. What many humans resonate with and call a "conscience" is the input of that spiritual complex. You can grow or elevate your incoming energy/information from the spiritual complex as to become aware that, quiet like the vascular system, regulates directly/indirectly all information, and all is really spirit in a sense
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11-04-2018, 01:59 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-04-2018, 03:00 PM by Louisabell.)
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My theoretical and practical experience is that the spirit is the microcosm of the Infinite Creator in us, and while every iota of the creation contains the Infinite Creator, the spirit is where our awareness resides in the everflowing fractual that is Infinity. A universe inside a universe.

The spirit is the formless, observing self, which has the freedom to move and focus attention whichever way desired. In that way it is limitless. It can be poured into any manifestation, whether thought structure or personal characteristic, and animates that which is shadow/illusion into that which is real. It becomes real because the Creator is watching, watching through you, watching as you.

There are other qualities of the spirit which are ethereal and worked upon during one life-time to the next. So I ask, how can one's 'focus of attention' be different in quality from one person/time to another? Well it can increase in intensity, fortitude and depth. It can have a deeper bias towards radiating its essential nature versus wanting to absorb that which is observed into its own darkness. It's a function of how the Creator (Infinity) is channelled into the illusion, thereby Ra calling it a shuttle, for it is not fully the Creator or fully the illusion, but more accurately the nexus or interface.

When looking at the major arcana of the Spirit, one can see the theme of polarity and the powers of light and dark being more profound and essential than the other sets.

Let's use the experience of spirit as an example:
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The animal spirit of dog denotes loyalty, an elevated view of what is essentially bias. But what is the spirit loyal to/biased towards? An empire of light or darkness? The path is only lit by moonlight so steps must be taken carefully as the reflection of false light can seriously harm those of positive polarity (moonlight also being only a reflection of sunlight in a dark sky). The pool at the bottom is shallow, surface level, the night-sky infinite in depth. So to which direction and consequently depth will your focus go?

Just some of my thoughts.
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11-10-2018, 03:28 AM,
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What about spirit as the Supreme Self? I'll use the flofrog's Upanishads quote from the other thread:

Quote:The supreme Self is neither born nor dies. He cannot be burned, moved, pierced, cut, nor dried. Beyond all attributes, the supreme Self Is the eternal witness, ever pure. Indivisible, and uncompounded, Far beyond the senses and the ego. In him conflicts and expectations cease.

Spirit - the deepest/most inner part of me. Body - the most outer part of me. "The body is the creature of the mind and is the instrument of manifestation for the fruits of mind and spirit."

Spirit as the communicator. From spirit to mind comes inspiration. From mind to spirit comes reaching, seeking, faith.
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11-10-2018, 10:04 AM,
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(11-10-2018, 03:28 AM)loostudent Wrote:  What about spirit as the Supreme Self? I'll use the flofrog's Upanishads quote from the other thread:


Quote:The supreme Self is neither born nor dies. He cannot be burned, moved, pierced, cut, nor dried. Beyond all attributes, the supreme Self Is the eternal witness, ever pure. Indivisible, and uncompounded, Far beyond the senses and the ego. In him conflicts and expectations cease.

Spirit - the deepest/most inner part of me. Body - the most outer part of me. "The body is the creature of the mind and is the instrument of manifestation for the fruits of mind and spirit."

Spirit as the communicator. From spirit to mind comes inspiration. From mind to spirit comes reaching, seeking, faith.

Nicely said, and if one really really looks, practically everyone's posts revolves and has the same admission. The spirit is the true one authentic identity(who we are beyond all illusion) the spirit complex, is the construct, quiet like the matrix of the mind, that directs and coordinates information.
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11-10-2018, 01:34 PM,
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(11-04-2018, 02:31 AM)anagogy Wrote:  
(11-03-2018, 11:38 PM)Taralie Peterdaughter Wrote:  I am still trying so hard to wrap my head around what spirit is.  This quote by Ra doesnt really help me.  Can anybody explain it to me?   Maybe if i thought about it in a different way.....thanks!!

This spirit complex is the channel whereby the inpourings from all of the various universal, planetary, and personal inpourings may be funneled into the roots of consciousness and whereby consciousness may be funneled to the gateway of intelligent infinity through the balanced intelligent energy of body and mind.

And if you really understand can you explain how it relates specifically to the last 7 major arcana?  Thx!!

The first question: "what is spirit?" I found the following Ra quote helpful:



Ra: [...] imagine, if you will, the function of the magnet. The magnet has two poles. One reaches up. The other goes down. The function of the spirit is to integrate the upreaching yearning of the mind/body energy with the downpouring and streaming of infinite intelligence.



I would say that spirit is truth. And truth is also awareness (beingness). It is also the magnetizing sense of unity with all that is. What is the difference between spirit and mind? One is like light, the other, the mind, is like color reflecting off an object. The color is reflected light -- it has specific content and form. The form that is illuminated by this light is like the body, which also has particular characteristics. There are a lot of analogies you could use. Ponder the relationship between force and form. I would describe the spirit as beingness and mind as the mirror for beingness and the reflection of that is the outer universe (the body). The outer universe reflects the inner universe (on a macroscopic and microscopic scale). And the mind is that identity that exists along that continuum. The mind imagines separation, unless it has, through the process of transformation and use of catalyst become a perfectly polished mirror for beingness or spirit. In such a case, it will no longer imagine separation where it never actually was. A distorted mirror will reflect a distorted image. But the function of the mind is to reflect beingness, just as the function of the spirit is to integrate by illumination. By the disciplined use of faith and will, the mirror is gradually polished to the point of providing an accurate reflection/experience of the potentiated one infinite creator.   

So you can think of the "spirit complex" as the relationship between infinite truth and whatever degree of falsity the mind has latched onto, or identified with (distortion/smudges on mirror). A distortion can begin to be less distorted as this dialog grows. Or you can think of it as the relationship between the truth of infinite unity and the illusion of separation. It is also described as a "shuttle" because it "conveys" information back and forth. When opened, it allows information to travel to and from self and creator. It is important to note this communication between self and creator is always occurring, but when opened it becomes conscious to whatever degree it is opened.



Ra: [...] The third area is the spiritual complex which embodies the fields of force and consciousness which are the least distorted of your mind/body/spirit complex. The exploration and balancing of the spirit complex is indeed the longest and most subtle part of your learn/teaching. We have considered the mind as a tree. The mind controls the body. With the mind single-pointed, balanced, and aware, the body comfortable in whatever biases and distortions make it appropriately balanced for that instrument, the instrument is then ready to proceed with the great work.

That is the work of wind and fire. The spiritual body energy field is a pathway, or channel. When body and mind are receptive and open, then the spirit can become a functioning shuttle or communicator from the entity’s individual energy of will upwards, and from the streamings of the creative fire and wind downwards. [...]  



Sometimes Ra refers to "spiritual entropy" that negative beings are constantly experiencing while trying to move closer to the creators infinite power (which prevents them from gaining more power). I would describe it as the "resistance to unity". Positive beings don't experience this same degree of spiritual entropy while trying to integrate with the creator, because they can readily accept that all are the creator, as opposed to just the self or a few elite selves. The negatives have no problem with the creators power, but they have major problems integrating or balancing the creators love. "Because unity contains all, it cannot abhor any."


Quote:En·tro·py

1.PHYSICS: a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system.

2. lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder.

Your second question is very broad, so it is difficult to give you anything substantial. But it is about the relationship between truth/light and falsity/dark played out in an alchemical (transformative) sense.

Do you have a more specific question regarding the last 7 arcana?

Anyway, I hope that helps!
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11-10-2018, 01:35 PM,
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Wow that was beautiful and helpful. Thank you so much. I will refer to it often. I find just contemplating spirit heals me.
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11-10-2018, 06:10 PM,
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It may be possible to view spirit as a point of focus, as a collection of distortion at a certain point, of the infinite sea that infinite intelligence is.

Any point in which there is a greater distortion of the waves, a collection of waves, a particular pattern of waves which are significantly different than the rest of that locale inside infinite intelligence.

Each of these variations constitute a differentiated entity.

And in that, a spirit would be a collection of particular wave patterns, focusing on a point that moves through the sea of infinite intelligence together.
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11-13-2018, 03:54 PM,
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I see spirit as the remainder left behind by individuation.

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11-13-2018, 04:01 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-13-2018, 08:40 PM by Signifyz.)
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Thanks for your thoughts to all in this thread.

I would also add that it is important to remember that spirit complex is a connection or shuttle to our true identity, it being One Creator or Intelligent Infinity or whatever you choose to call it. This said, the spirit complex from the perspective of evolutioning entity will also change since the only constant in this equation is Intelligent Infinity, so other two codependant variables will mutually transform.
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11-13-2018, 07:53 PM,
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I love this. I will include these ideas in my study of the tarot. Thanks so much for your input.
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11-13-2018, 08:05 PM,
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sure if you have the time. I would love to hear your interpretation of the XV tarot. commonly known as the Devil. Is it kinda odd that the first card of the spirit is often seen as devilish? any thoughts?
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11-13-2018, 10:05 PM,
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(11-13-2018, 08:05 PM)Taralie Peterdaughter Wrote:  sure if you have the time.  I would love to hear your interpretation of the XV tarot.  commonly known as the Devil.  Is it kinda odd that the first card of the spirit is often seen as devilish?  any thoughts?

When trying to grasp the meaning of the Matrix of the Spirit, there are a few quotes from Ra, but I really like the below statement:

Ra Material - 80.8 Wrote:... You are aware that we have described the Matrix of the Spirit as a night. The moonlight, then, offers either a true picture seen in shadow or chimera and falsity. The power of falsity is deep as is the power to discern truth from shadow. The shadow of hidden things is an infinite depth in which is stored the power of the One Infinite Creator
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Infinite potential can only potentiate that which is infinitely nothing. And so the 'backdrop' (matrix) of the spirit is an infinite darkness in which we come to play.
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11-14-2018, 12:45 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-14-2018, 12:48 AM by Infinite Unity.)
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(11-13-2018, 08:05 PM)Taralie Peterdaughter Wrote:  sure if you have the time.  I would love to hear your interpretation of the XV tarot.  commonly known as the Devil.  Is it kinda odd that the first card of the spirit is often seen as devilish?  any thoughts?

One: Is beyond good or evil, or any concept of identification of or between the two. There is One, this One expresses, and as manyness it/we experience. The dark is an intertwined, extremely important part of creating illusion. There is One great spirit and it thirst to experience all, there is no bias of right or wrong, good or evil. There is One.

The devil card is a representation of the portions of creator/self, that are repressed, or identified as evil/wrong. It is intimately tied to desires, and being slave to desires.

Now having no bias, is not equal to having interest/focus, as is the overwhelming and powerful interest, The Creator has in Love.
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11-14-2018, 12:49 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-14-2018, 12:51 AM by Drew. Edit Reason: better mirror sentence )
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Instead of devil, which is dia-bolo, which is "to throw". I prefer the Hindu's term "greatest adversary" since it is less phi.
This being the self for that is all that is.(Is that all is that for self, the being this)

Ever since we choose to dance with division there has always been invisible magnetic chains which coil, and are coiled by an incompressable electric unborn awareness.

It looks like dark light violently tackling a reactive lightning ball to us, but we see things at a time delay, mirrored and inverted from the over arching framework of a fractal hologram.


(I really try to keep it simple, I do)

It expands, like a dynamo of nuclear fire. This bi-feedback system endlessly expands itself to reconfigure for newer "lessons" if you will. As the white light fires sparks, "spirit", to penetrate its own veil, crazy cool stuff happens.

Especially if it pings a rainbow bridge to the place where all understanding grounds out, and my analogy fails.
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11-14-2018, 02:47 AM,
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(11-13-2018, 03:54 PM)rva_jeremy Wrote:  I see spirit as the remainder left behind by individuation.

Remainder of what, in particular?
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11-14-2018, 03:17 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-14-2018, 07:48 AM by Zach.)
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beingness without context (comes to mind)
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11-14-2018, 05:26 AM,
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Oh, I noodled this one out a while ago. But to understand, it helps to have a basic grasp of the light/shadow flip. That every incarnation you do a flip flop. What is shadow becomes light, and what is light becomes shadow. The ghost then is that remnant of the spirit complex which then adds spiritual gravity to the next incarnation simply due to the directly opposing energies. Pushing against itself essentially as it adds spiritual gravity and growth over time.

Not sure if this happens, but I figured it would work out and would be really cool.
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11-14-2018, 07:10 AM,
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For me Matrix of the spirit correlates the most with the empty space. If you are into astronomy, you should know how vast this seemingly void space between stars and galaxies. Imagine yourself being lost in that immesurable space, not knowing where your home is, but not having a worry about surviving. I think this feel, that apparent hopelessness has much to do with the Matrix of the spirit. Lose your false hope, dive into this "lifeless" darkness and accept it. I may recommend SpaceEngine program to explore the 3D space and to catch your insights.
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11-14-2018, 10:50 AM,
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From Q'uo;

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2016/2016_0116.aspx
Quote:The spirit is that which is one with all of the Creation—it is the same as the One Creator, the holographic portion of the same creative force which has made all that there is. You have asked this day how you may use this spirit, this mind, and this body, in a smoothly functioning fashion in order to promote your own journeys of seeking the truth in the positive polarity, that which seeks to serve others, that which is radiant, that which gives of itself to all who ask, and whose very being radiates those qualities of love, of light, of unity, of joy, about which you have queried this day.

Thus, each soul begins with a portion of the One Creator as his guiding star, that which leads the way through the third-density darkness that must be experienced as you move through the veil of forgetting, that veil which that allows you to forget that you are one with all, that love made you all, that light guides you all. Outside the third-density illusion these qualities are quite readily apparent and learning takes place at a much slower pace because there is no doubt concerning these qualities. However, within your illusion, it takes a great deal of what you call faith, of hope, of motivation, of inspiration to continue upon the path of seeking; for as you know, understanding is not of the third-density illusion, you cannot prove what you are doing to anyone else; however, to yourself, that still small voice within (that some call intuition, or some the voice of God), will lead you forward if you but feed it your desire and your will, and continue in a daily fashion to practice those rituals, you might say, of prayer, of contemplation and of meditation; to speak to the Creator and to listen to the Creator and to see the Creator everywhere.

So each of you begin with the spirit, you as a soul. You then have a mind which begins the process of thinking, of conceptualizing, of visualizing, of contemplating that which you are, that from which you come, that towards which you move. This mind then, takes upon itself the role of a kind of an administrator, shall we say, heading the corporation of your mind/body/spirit complex, and yet the mind by itself, even powered by the spirit, has no ability to move within your third density illusion. It would be simply an ephemeral thing with no real consequence or ability to achieve, work, or move along the path of the evolutionary process, for this work it needs the body.

Thus, the mind creates the body. The body is the creature of the mind. The body then allows the mind to move within your illusion—to have its being made manifest within the third density so that work may be done in consciousness; that you may make the choice of how you shall polarize or continue your movement once you become consciously aware that such is possible and, indeed, such is necessary in order to move upon your spiritual journey. The body allows the mind to speak through the mouth, the lips, the tongue, the teeth; words may be formed, thoughts may be translated into words which may be shared with others. The creation of words, then, becomes the putting of power into form, into concept, into image, putting these images together in letters forming words and the words sentences, and so forth, until you are able to express that which you feel, that which you think, that which you are, that which you desire, that towards which you move.
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11-14-2018, 12:49 PM,
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My understanding of spirit is that it is the essence of change or transformation, a link, that which provides continuity, the "space between things", allowing for one thing to change into another..it's movement, a vehicle. It's perhaps best described as will.

With Ra defining the spirit as a shuttle, an integrator of upwards will with downwards instreamings, it's what moves/shuttles things from point A to B. A connector or bridge.

Think of the process of learning or insight itself, especially as it relates to seeing the unity of things. Where does insight, where does newness come from? How is it possible to see past bias, to see what was not possible to see before and have a new thought come into being, reforming the illusion? There is something going on..an opening up and moving forward to receive and transform into that which is coming your way. An intertwining dance..a transfer.

Where can you touch or grasp that thing itself that is making that possible? And what is it? It's everything yet nothing. It seems to be this thing we call spirit, and it's mysterious.
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11-15-2018, 11:49 AM,
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(11-14-2018, 10:50 AM)blossom Wrote:  From Q'uo;

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2016/2016_0116.aspx

Quote:The spirit is that which is one with all of the Creation—it is the same as the One Creator, the holographic portion of the same creative force which has made all that there is /.../

The spirit is the most real part and the body the most illusory. From veiled perspective this seems right the opposite ... I always thought the spirit is permanent and indestructible. It baffles me how can a nuclear weapon really destroy the spirit (as it is said in LoO).
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11-15-2018, 10:17 PM,
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(11-15-2018, 11:49 AM)loostudent Wrote:  
(11-14-2018, 10:50 AM)blossom Wrote:  From Q'uo;

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2016/2016_0116.aspx



Quote:The spirit is that which is one with all of the Creation—it is the same as the One Creator, the holographic portion of the same creative force which has made all that there is /.../

The spirit is the most real part and the body the most illusory. From veiled perspective this seems right the opposite ... I always thought the spirit is permanent and indestructible. It baffles me how can a nuclear weapon really destroy the spirit (as it is said in LoO).

*Disarrangement. Nothing is truly lost. From a time/space perspective this can always be helped/pervented. It sparks some interest in me as in the first entities to evovle, before forming any sort of confederation to protect themselves. Surely such events happened, perhaps even by natural occurrence, such as a super nova. So, it is in my belief that there were guardians from the dawn of time who always protected the incarnate mind/body/spirit complexes from such disarrangements.
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11-16-2018, 11:23 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-16-2018, 11:27 AM by Infinite Unity.)
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(11-15-2018, 10:17 PM)blossom Wrote:  
(11-15-2018, 11:49 AM)loostudent Wrote:  
(11-14-2018, 10:50 AM)blossom Wrote:  From Q'uo;

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2016/2016_0116.aspx




Quote:The spirit is that which is one with all of the Creation—it is the same as the One Creator, the holographic portion of the same creative force which has made all that there is /.../

The spirit is the most real part and the body the most illusory. From veiled perspective this seems right the opposite ... I always thought the spirit is permanent and indestructible. It baffles me how can a nuclear weapon really destroy the spirit (as it is said in LoO).

*Disarrangement. Nothing is truly lost. From a time/space perspective this can always be helped/pervented. It sparks some interest in me as in the first entities to evovle, before forming any sort of confederation to protect themselves. Surely such events happened, perhaps even by natural occurrence, such as a super nova. So, it is in my belief that there were guardians from the dawn of time who always protected the incarnate mind/body/spirit complexes from such disarrangements.

I would agree, and my view, is that Ra is talking about the disintegration of the mind/body/spiritual complex. The spiritual complex, though its far subtler then the body, does indeed have "structure". This spiritual complex "structure" can be so damaged, along obviously with the Mind/body, that an almost seeming inescapable knot of fear occurs. Also The Creator itself can never be lost, however holographic information like say memories, "could" theoretically be more of what were talking about being the potential of being lost.


What I find intriguing is what other time/space damage occurs with the detonation of a nuclear bomb.

No doubt, there have always been guardians.
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11-16-2018, 12:06 PM,
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RE: Trying to better grasp spirit.
(11-16-2018, 11:23 AM)Infinite Unity Wrote:  What I find intriguing is what other time/space damage occurs with the detonation of a nuclear bomb.

No doubt, there have always been guardians.


Same here Infinite Unity, although we probably forget that equivalence to nuclear detonations happens throughout the cosmos under the shape of formations of stars and dissolutions of other stars, so apparently time/space adapts itself constantly ?

I see spirit spirit in a kind of child like image of this tongue of fire constantly fluctuating,  ever growing and changing,  and even if fragmented, reassembling itself constantly. I am sure it's far from right but that's how it feels to me
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11-17-2018, 08:54 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-17-2018, 08:57 AM by Nau7ik.)
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(11-16-2018, 12:06 PM)flofrog Wrote:  
(11-16-2018, 11:23 AM)Infinite Unity Wrote:  What I find intriguing is what other time/space damage occurs with the detonation of a nuclear bomb.

No doubt, there have always been guardians.


Same here Infinite Unity, although we probably forget that equivalence to nuclear detonations happens throughout the cosmos under the shape of formations of stars and dissolutions of other stars, so apparently time/space adapts itself constantly ?

I see spirit spirit in a kind of child like image of this tongue of fire constantly fluctuating,  ever growing and changing,  and even if fragmented, reassembling itself constantly. I am sure it's far from right but that's how it feels to me

Wow flo! Wow! Thank you for sharing this perspective. It is quite illuminating!
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11-17-2018, 09:29 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-17-2018, 09:36 PM by Infinite Unity.)
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(11-16-2018, 12:06 PM)flofrog Wrote:  
(11-16-2018, 11:23 AM)Infinite Unity Wrote:  What I find intriguing is what other time/space damage occurs with the detonation of a nuclear bomb.

No doubt, there have always been guardians.


Same here Infinite Unity, although we probably forget that equivalence to nuclear detonations happens throughout the cosmos under the shape of formations of stars and dissolutions of other stars, so apparently time/space adapts itself constantly ?

I see spirit spirit in a kind of child like image of this tongue of fire constantly fluctuating,  ever growing and changing,  and even if fragmented, reassembling itself constantly. I am sure it's far from right but that's how it feels to me

Nice perspective and observation.

There would most likely be differences in between the energetic signature, and "nature". When comparing a nuclear detonation and similar, in appearance and apparent magnitude of say super novas.

Also the detonation of the nuclear bomb would be on a planetary body, resulting in local damage in space/time and time/space, whereas the formation of stars, and solar flares of the x level are of a more natural, and appropriate locale. I'm not arguing that destruction is creation and vice-versa. I am saying there is a very large difference, usually, from the two events, and the associated or collateral damage. I'm also not saying that solar flares, or other types of natural events cannot cause "damage" or change within time/space. I would even argue that the solar flare is a time/space event impacting space/time, and not the other way around.

However I would most vigorously concede to your last point, that at the end of the day, it is all Unity.
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11-17-2018, 09:32 PM,
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(11-17-2018, 09:29 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote:  
(11-16-2018, 12:06 PM)flofrog Wrote:  
(11-16-2018, 11:23 AM)Infinite Unity Wrote:  What I find intriguing is what other time/space damage occurs with the detonation of a nuclear bomb.

No doubt, there have always been guardians.


Same here Infinite Unity, although we probably forget that equivalence to nuclear detonations happens throughout the cosmos under the shape of formations of stars and dissolutions of other stars, so apparently time/space adapts itself constantly ?

I see spirit spirit in a kind of child like image of this tongue of fire constantly fluctuating,  ever growing and changing,  and even if fragmented, reassembling itself constantly. I am sure it's far from right but that's how it feels to me

Nice perspective and observation.

There would most likely be differences in between the energetic signature, and "nature". When comparing a nuclear detonation and similar, in appearance and apparent magnitude of say super novas.

Also the detonation of the nuclear bomb would be on a planetary body, resulting in local damage in space/time and time/space, whereas the formation of stars, and solar flares of the x level are of a more natural, and appropriate local. I'm not arguing that destruction is creation and vice-versa. I am saying there is a very large difference, usually, from the two events, and the associated or collateral damage. I'm also not saying that solar flares, or other types of natural events cannot cause "damage" or change within time/space.

Have you heard of Cataclysmic Variable stars? Those are scary.
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