(05-22-2019, 01:35 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Oh, I don't know if there is a 501c3 associated with them, sorry to be confusing. I was just saying that Christianity and politics go hand in hand, and they know how to dance together following the rules of the game, and that there is a group who is open about wanting to infiltrate politics with a Biblical agenda by having lots of babies and conditioning them to grow up to be politicians. I guess my point was that obviously there is politics in religion, and religion in politics. It's fairly late stage and unfortunately our system is super corrupt at this point.
Unfortunately it goes past any average biblical agenda: The current crop of Evangelists have extremely radicalized, and they have talking points ranging from jailing/killing atheists, left wing people, liberals etc to propping up Israel and prepare it to be destroyed by Arab states so that Jesus of Nazareth can come back a second time...
Its the most dangerous political group there is on the planet right now, due to that last bit. They were the main spearhead behind the Tea Party, which put GOP extremists under the leadership of Paul Ryan in control of Congress 2 elections back, and then transformed into the general dynamic behind Donald Trump's election. And their numbers, radicalism and influence are increasing.
Now, it is certain that Trump doesnt believe such stuff. It is questionable that Paul Ryan would too.
However there is a certain point in which increasing extremism demands action on their extremist views. So in the next decade, if their numbers increase and they eventually get control of a great part of US government, these people will mandate that their demands be fulfilled. Which will lead to leaders who have to give in to their demands even if the dont agree, or, they will have already elected one who believes their talking points.
As you can understand, ~7000 nuclear warheads which US has, being under the control of a such a dangerous movement, is very, very dangerous for entire civilization.
In case you remember, there hasnt been any 'second coming' of anyone when Maldekians destroyed their planet.
Therefore the current trend is dangerous and it must be addressed.
(05-22-2019, 05:34 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: There are rules about what we as a 501©3 can do or say regarding politics. The focus is primarily on specific candidates and elections themselves, but it's not limited to just that. It becomes a very tricky topic when Bring4th is a platform provided via L/L Research resources, hosting opinions of non-L/L agents. But that caution is coupled with a desire to keep our mission separated from political discourse and animosity in general. Political bias can create such vivid distortion in perception that we don't want to unduly influence interpretation or interest in the material by having it adjacent to political discussion on an official L/L Research platform.
As early 4d matures and vibrations of the old orange heavy 3d society rises towards first yellow at large, then green, it will be impossible for anyone or any group to avoid politics...
Up until now, the world was mostly asleep, busy with themselves in a orange-tinted society caused by entities turning inwards, as Ra explains us. Now, they are slowly rising in vibration, moving to yellow - the social density. Everyone will get involved with their society and the happenings going on inside that society.
The rising amount of grassroots movements of all kinds is a major indicator of the change that is already happening.
(05-23-2019, 12:10 AM)anagogy Wrote: ...political correctness...
Back in the past, that was called 'being a decent person'...
It was mandatory to have that to be inside any decent society.
Now that it disturbs the American conservative types to treat better whom they previously treated as below them, and suddenly it is a problem. But ironically, inside themselves they never let go of political correctness - the 'tough love' and 'real talk' seems to only apply to the 'others'.
Quote:But far left ideologies are every bit as negative as far right ideologies, but most people are too brainwashed to see it.
"Left" doesnt even exist in US. The "Far" version of it cant even be present in such an environment.
To entire world outside, US is an amalgam of far right, vs right. The 'center' of US, is actually 'center right', which is, well, right...
Quote:equality of outcome, or equality of opportunity.
Things like this are escapist rhetoric propagated by the very rich segments who try to goad the right wing in US to support the immense inequality. Few of those people actually made their immense fortunes through any equal opportunity. Leave aside those like Koch Brothers, who practically bought entire US Congress 2 terms ago by spending $300 million.
And, that phrase doesnt even evaluate logically anyway: It doesnt matter whether a person gets $4 billion in wealth by using the opportunities given to him or not, he is de facto a feudal overlord on everyone because he has enough money to buy entire political machinery. And he does.
Quote:Negative leftist neo Marxist ideologies
According to Ra material negative path is one of elitism, where a minority elite enslaves the majority low classes and makes them work for their benefit. It is an unequal society. Moreover, they go on crusades by trying to subdue other planets to put them under their unequal hierarchy.
With that proposition, left wing cannot be negative. It advocates equality. Not in-equality.
And that word you use there, the 'neo Marxist', is not only scientifically wrong, since Marxism has not changed since its inception, but also a racist code word: in 1930s Nazis used "cultural Marxism" as a code word to mean "Jews", that the "Jews" were changing and transforming their society to fit their own desires through using Marxism. Today American alt-right uses the very exact Nazi terminology to propagate anti-semitism by equating the left and Jews.
Tells a lot about what's going on in US.
Well, its no surprise - in 1930 the wealthy elites backed fascist movements and Nazis in order to fight against the demands for equality from their populations too - look where it ended up...
Case in point: Koch Brothers spending $300 million through ~200 or so private organizations and think thanks in order to put a pro-fossil fuel, anti-egalitarian agenda so that neither the wealth inequality would be threatened with minor taxes, nor their oil business would be threatened by environmentalists.
Result?
Dozens of millions of Americans are paying it with their wallets, health, and even some of them are paying for it by having people from their social circle dying in Middle East in oil wars.
There is absolutely nothing which these people gain from this deal. Nada. Kapisch.
But they believe and follow these people, against 'neo Marxist' who threaten their 'way of life'...
That's negativity.
No wonder Ra called Cold War era 'free' US and its allies as controlled fascism...
(05-23-2019, 10:08 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: The problem with allowing alt-right ideology like Jordan Peterson, Pepe the frog, anti trans speech, anti muslim speech, cries about deplatforming nazis, support for the wall, terms like SJWs, larping, NPCs, etc etc, is that here we are in a time of actual violent political turmoil.
Many of these lines of thought and discourse are obvious dog whistles for the white nationalist agenda, whether or not the people who are engaged with them realize this.
Allowing de facto hate speech with zero pushback normalizes the dehumanization of others in the alt-right echo chamber. Eventually, "SJWs" and the rest are so "other than" the crowd, that the group mocks victims of the violence, even if they aren't perpetrating this violence. If we have an attitude that we do everything "for the lulz", then even calls to or acts of violence and hate speech are merely "jokes", and this is by design. Even the term "NPC" is a meme meant to literally dehumanize others who disagree.
Precisely.
The fascist, ultra-right wing rhetoric always was, and today also is geared towards making some segments of the society 'others', vilifying them and then blaming the very problems and issues which are created by those who manipulate the right wing segments on those others'.
That was what exactly Nazis did. That's what every fascist group did - in every fascist setup there was one or more segments of the society which were 'undesirables' and they were causing all the issues because of their 'racial impurities' or religion or other behavioral models.
They just killed anyone who was moderately left wing or progressive compared to them without even trying to 'other-ize' them because these were too dangerous for their ideology and control. The real 'others' were dealt with later...
Though i firmly am for free speech myself, there is a point in which free speech is used for destroying free speech and any freedom by being used as a means to create and organize extremist authoritarian movements. All the fascist movements including Nazis came to power through influencing people through free speech, and Nazis had actually won an election. Then burned the parliament. Then blamed it on the communists. Declared martial law. Then jailed them all. And then proceeded to start a war that killed ~45 million people with the most conservative estimate.
US alt-right is following the same trend. Actually they are nearing the point at which they can directly be labeled fascists according to political science. There are already armed militants who are starting to create problems like Bundy people, and there are already an immense number of actual incidents of terrorism by alt-right extremists who actually kill people with guns.
There is a point which, when passed, those who were conservative moderates among the alt right will find themselves being seen as marginals and not properly in-line with the movement's ideology, much to their surprise. And then they will start suffering from the same aggression and prosecution which alt right is now currently directing towards 'others'...
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