A few question about STS
09-09-2019, 11:18 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-09-2019, 12:11 PM by rinzler.)
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A few question about STS
Hey,

I'm new here and I've read quite a bit here as a guest. I still have some unanswered questions.


1. Do STS-Beings progress slower or faster than STO-Beings? I heard people say both so I'm confused now.


2. Do STS-Beings have more free will than STO-Beings? I was thinking if they are going towards spiritual entropy they would become more and more predictable as they are moving towards the lowest state possible which is matter, correct?


3. How do STS-Beings progress? Do they do it alone since they can't let anyone help them or do they simply join the Orion Empire?

If they join the Empire what decides their rank? I mean Genghis Khan was probably one of the most powerful people on the planet in his time yet he only got a position as a shipping clerk. Who or what decides that?


4. How do you develop willpower? That is a general question I have. Sometimes I can feel my willpower deplete. I'm not sure if it's a real feeling or just an excuse. Does it have to do something with etheric and astral energies and is willpower limited? I've noticed that when I try to control thoughts, actions or feelings it works well for a time and then it becomes harder and harder and sometimes I can feel myself being drained and then I get weak. Is it simply a matter of practice or is there something deeper?


5. How do you heal trauma from the past? Also a personal question. I think I've got a few of my chakras blocked and I've tried meditation but most of the time my mind goes blank and then I fall asleep.


6. How and where do you learn? Do other higher dimensional beings simply teach you or do you have to experience and learn everything by yourself?

By learning I mean learning about the other planes of existence and their laws like the etheric and the astral realms or as some call it hyperspace and how to navigate and control them...


7. As a 3rd dimensional being what is a realistic goal that can be achieved in this lifetime in regards to enlightenment?  
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09-09-2019, 11:57 AM,
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Hi rinzler, and welcome to the conversation. Smile

(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  Hey,

I'm new here and I've read quite a bit here as a guest. I still have some unanswered questions.


1. Do STS-Beings progress slower or faster than STO-Beings? I heard people say both so I'm confused now.

I think that depends on the individual. But there are many here more versed in the material than me.


(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  2. Do STS-Beings have more free will than STO-Beings? I was thinking if they are going towards spiritual entropy they would become more and more predictable as they are moving towards the lowest state possible which is matter, correct?

I would think the STS path is more limiting if one wants to make headway on that path and become an adept. Which may be why it only goes so far. I think entropy is always an issue for those who resist change and acceptance of what is at any given moment.


(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  3. How do STS-Beings progress? Do they do it alone since they can't let anyone help them or do they simply join the Orion Empire?

If they join the Empire what decides their rank? I mean Genghis Khan was probably one of the most powerful people on the planet in his time yet he only got a position as a shipping clerk. Who or what decides that?

I think decisions are always generated from the individual entity. Genghis Khan's job was rather immaterial to what he achieved.


(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  4. How do you develop willpower? That is a general question I have. Sometimes I can feel my willpower deplete. I'm not sure if it's a real feeling or just an excuse. Does it have to do something will etheric and astral energies and is willpower limited? I've noticed that when I try to control thoughts, actions or feelings it works well for a time and then it becomes harder and harder and sometimes I can feel myself being drained and then I get weak. Is it simply a matter of practice or is there something deeper?

It take willpower to develop willpower. Tongue

You just do it. Take responsibility and be accountable. Don't blame anything outside of self, regardless of outside circumstances. Accept what is and go from there. Basically the traits of an entrepreneur.


(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  5. How do you heal trauma from the past? Also a personal question. I think I've got a few of my chakras blocked and I've tried meditation but most of the time my mind goes blank and then I fall asleep.

Not easy to heal. The only thing I know to do is just keep evolving into the being you want to be; reach for your potential. As you evolve, the attachment to hurts may fall away. There are great books and exercises such as those by John Bradshaw as well.

There are many ways to meditate. Taking a walk in nature is meditative (without the cell phone). Doing creative things such as drawing or composing music or just working on a craft project, all make time time go away and bring you to a one-ponted focus.


(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  6. How and where do you learn? Do other higher dimensional beings simply teach you or do you have to experience and learn everything by yourself?

By learning I mean learning about the other planes of existence and their laws like the etheric and the astral realms or as some call it hyperspace and how to navigate and control them…

You learn every moment. There are teachers everywhere. The animals around my property taught me how they are always in the moment, and reminded me of the value in that when I was under stress. Clouds in the sky, the homeless person on the street, a petty boss who pushes buttons, the driver who just cut you off, and on and on. If you are open to the growth, the messages are there.

(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  7. As a 3rd dimensional being what is a realistic goal that can be achieved in this lifetime in regards to enlightenment?  

There is no limit, and I wouldn't limit myself by creating a ceiling for growth. But in terms of practicality, I think the key is to stay on point. Keep coming back to self, who you want to be. Be honest with yourself.
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09-09-2019, 02:18 PM,
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Hello rinzler, thanks for questions, they sound very thoughtful for me.

(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  1. Do STS-Beings progress slower or faster than STO-Beings? I heard people say both so I'm confused now.

I haven't met direct answer, but I suppose it's on par. I may only remind that Ra confirmed that polarization in 3rd density allows faster evolution at will.

(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  2. Do STS-Beings have more free will than STO-Beings? I was thinking if they are going towards spiritual entropy they would become more and more predictable as they are moving towards the lowest state possible which is matter, correct?

I would say no. From positive entity's perspective it may seem that negative has less free will because of blockage of green ray center. Maybe, from the negative POV it's vice versa due to positives' unprocessed shadow side which negatives epitomize and are attracted to.

(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  3. How do STS-Beings progress? Do they do it alone since they can't let anyone help them or do they simply join the Orion Empire?

If they join the Empire what decides their rank? I mean Genghis Khan was probably one of the most powerful people on the planet in his time yet he only got a position as a shipping clerk. Who or what decides that?

At least for 4D negative they establish negative social memory complex. They join the 'pecking order' according to their abilities and will. They will accept help, but the helping part probably won't like it.

(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  4. How do you develop willpower? That is a general question I have. Sometimes I can feel my willpower deplete. I'm not sure if it's a real feeling or just an excuse. Does it have to do something with etheric and astral energies and is willpower limited? I've noticed that when I try to control thoughts, actions or feelings it works well for a time and then it becomes harder and harder and sometimes I can feel myself being drained and then I get weak. Is it simply a matter of practice or is there something deeper?

Controlling thoughts, actions or feelings may not be the best idea or choice of words. I would describe discipline as becoming aware and then learning to ride the waves of thoughts and feels. Developing willpower is very wide and personal topic, but meditation always remains the part of this pursuit.

(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  5. How do you heal trauma from the past? Also a personal question. I think I've got a few of my chakras blocked and I've tried meditation but most of the time my mind goes blank and then I fall asleep.

I would say it depends on your conditions. There is an advice from Ra which Jim often mentions: the mindful technic, where you magnify trauma or catalyst in mind and then balance it. For me a lot of trauma processing is mental work with building the right logic which is missing in my environment at particular time, but I think it's my personal distortion and part of some lesson.
Meditation is only the start. Don't forget to harvest your fruits. Smile

(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  6. How and where do you learn? Do other higher dimensional beings simply teach you or do you have to experience and learn everything by yourself?

By learning I mean learning about the other planes of existence and their laws like the etheric and the astral realms or as some call it hyperspace and how to navigate and control them...

I would say that I learn by myself according to my plan. I would also say that there is gentle presence of higher density help in my life but this topic quickly approaches the free will infringement.
This forum was intended as a safe haven for wanderers who mostly inhabit regular 3D body according to Ra, so don't expect explicit answer to this one. There are other places on internet where you can get more specific answers to this question.

(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  7. As a 3rd dimensional being what is a realistic goal that can be achieved in this lifetime in regards to enlightenment?  

Well, you can contact Intelligent Infinity after all.
Also, you can gradually nurture love, compassion, wisdom and maybe understanding, if you prefer a gentler ride.
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09-09-2019, 05:46 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-09-2019, 06:03 PM by EvolvingPhoenix.)
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"1. Do STS-Beings progress slower or faster than STO-Beings? I heard people say both so I'm confused now."

They progress at their own individual pace, most likely, and same for STO.


"2. Do STS-Beings have more free will than STO-Beings? I was thinking if they are going towards spiritual entropy they would become more and more predictable as they are moving towards the lowest state possible which is matter, correct?"

Keep in mind that STS social memory complexes are built on hierarchies of dominance. Regardless of how much free will they have, I dpubt they get to exercise it to their fullest.

Although I doubt they have any more or less free will than anyone else.

"3. How do STS-Beings progress? Do they do it alone since they can't let anyone help them or do they simply join the Orion Empire?"

Who says they can't get help? Not Ra. In fact, Ra has explained that they are bot uncommonly aided in negatively polarizing by other negative beings, usually at the cost of enslavement to such entities. Rarely, a negative human manages to ENSLAVE an extradimensional (likely 4d) STS entity, causing serious depolarization of that entity's entire SMC. The negative polarize through increasing their separation and negativity in thought and action.
One does not necessarily need extradimensional aid in this process. After all, Ghenghis Kahn didn't.

You can only join the Orion group by graduating to 4th density, BTW.
You don't join BEFORE graduating, although you may summon an Orion entity for aid. I have already mentioned what usually happens when such a summoning occurs. Remember, it is not the STS way to give freely and unconditionally, so prepare for somebody to end up enslaved to somebody via that route...

"If they join the Empire what decides their rank? I mean Genghis Khan was probably one of the most powerful people on the planet in his time yet he only got a position as a shipping clerk. Who or what decides that?"

Willpower and polarity, which seem linked. Ra describes a one on one combat for sorting out one's place in relation to another in the LoO material. Go look it up. I'm too lazy to do it for you.


"4. How do you develop willpower? That is a general question I have. Sometimes I can feel my willpower deplete. I'm not sure if it's a real feeling or just an excuse. Does it have to do something with etheric and astral energies and is willpower limited? I've noticed that when I try to control thoughts, actions or feelings it works well for a time and then it becomes harder and harder and sometimes I can feel myself being drained and then I get weak. Is it simply a matter of practice or is there something deeper?"

I guess by exercising it. I dunno. I don't really have much willpower TBH.


"5. How do you heal trauma from the past? Also a personal question. I think I've got a few of my chakras blocked and I've tried meditation but most of the time my mind goes blank and then I fall asleep."

I have been struggling to do that. Develop a dedicated spiritual practice, which includes meditation and mindfulness. Connecting with nature is good. I also make use of subliminal affirmation software such as "Emotional Pain Relief and Healing Aid version 3.0" by Indigo Mindlabs. If you have the money for Life Tune Up 5 however, that would be even better. If you huy E3, you calso buy the "Directional Reflection Shield" which takes all negative energy directed at you and returns it to the sender as well. Check out their website: subliminalshop.com

There are also healing codes, which work well but I hate doing them so I don't. There is a member in this community who has been helping me learn to heal from past trauma who goes by Agua. You can send him messages for advice, but he's unavailable until mid-December.

And remember this, as it is something Agua told me recently that really helps: The past DOESN'T EXIST. It's over and the future doesn't exist yet either. Only the present actually exists. So live in the present. I know from personal experience that that is easier said than done, but I find it helpful. As you become more present, you will slowly wake from the nightmare. Focus heavilly on developing presence.

Also, learn to fully feel and process buried emotions. This takes building presence to do. Agua can tell you more about it once he returns in Mid-December if you're interested in learning more.

"6. How and where do you learn? Do other higher dimensional beings simply teach you or do you have to experience and learn everything by yourself?"

Both can happen for either STS or STO. Note that as stated above, aid from STS entities comes at thw cost of enslavement unless you are the rare individual who can enslave one yourself, in which case, you have already polarized negatively to the point not just of graduation, but to where you can do that. One must be EXTREMELY negatively polarized for that to happen.

Regarding the STO path, there are MANY paths that will get you there, and if you want assistance, surely the iniverse will find a way to get you the assistance you need.

"By learning I mean learning about the other planes of existence and their laws like the etheric and the astral realms or as some call it hyperspace and how to navigate and control them..."

Ever heard the saying "Learn to walk before you learn jow to run"? You might wanna try the more basic aspects of positive polarization and generally just go out seeking positive spiritual guidance. There are also magick secret societies which may help you, but be careful who you choose to join amd remember what I just said above.

Keep in mind: Ra warns against trying to develop the higher energy centers too early or trying to polarize quicker than one can process, citing Hitler as an example. He tried to do so in the negative sense, went insane, and upon death, found his soul to be deeply confused and in need of great healing. Even by 1981, his soul was still experiencing that healing in the astral planes and may STILL be healing today. Naturally, despite all his negativity, it was unuseful to the creator and he was not harvestable. So keep that in mind because one can probably do the positive version of what Hitler did if one is not careful.

"7. As a 3rd dimensional being what is a realistic goal that can be achieved in this lifetime in regards to enlightenment?"

Nobody can tell you that with any real credibility. Just seek as best you can and find out how far you can go, if that is your goal. Me? I remain within the sinkhole of indifference and only am creating a spiritual practice for my self healing, with otherwise earthly goals. But I might want to increase my spiritual development and even learn white magick sometime down the line, although it won't be easy. Still, Ra says black magick takes even longer to learn.

Anyway, I hope all that helps. You are asking some pretty big questions that in all likelihood probably ought to have their own threads and STILL won't be fully answered even then.
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(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  Hey,

I'm new here and I've read quite a bit here as a guest. I still have some unanswered questions.


1. Do STS-Beings progress slower or faster than STO-Beings? I heard people say both so I'm confused now.


2. Do STS-Beings have more free will than STO-Beings? I was thinking if they are going towards spiritual entropy they would become more and more predictable as they are moving towards the lowest state possible which is matter, correct?


3. How do STS-Beings progress? Do they do it alone since they can't let anyone help them or do they simply join the Orion Empire?

If they join the Empire what decides their rank? I mean Genghis Khan was probably one of the most powerful people on the planet in his time yet he only got a position as a shipping clerk. Who or what decides that?


4. How do you develop willpower? That is a general question I have. Sometimes I can feel my willpower deplete. I'm not sure if it's a real feeling or just an excuse. Does it have to do something with etheric and astral energies and is willpower limited? I've noticed that when I try to control thoughts, actions or feelings it works well for a time and then it becomes harder and harder and sometimes I can feel myself being drained and then I get weak. Is it simply a matter of practice or is there something deeper?


5. How do you heal trauma from the past? Also a personal question. I think I've got a few of my chakras blocked and I've tried meditation but most of the time my mind goes blank and then I fall asleep.


6. How and where do you learn? Do other higher dimensional beings simply teach you or do you have to experience and learn everything by yourself?

By learning I mean learning about the other planes of existence and their laws like the etheric and the astral realms or as some call it hyperspace and how to navigate and control them...


7. As a 3rd dimensional being what is a realistic goal that can be achieved in this lifetime in regards to enlightenment?  

Quote:1. Do STS-Beings progress slower or faster than STO-Beings? I heard people say both so I'm confused now.
STS is a very difficult path and here is what Ra has to say about it:
Quote:17.32 ▶ Questioner: What must be the entity’s percentage, shall we say, if he is to be harvested for the negative?

Ra: I am Ra. The entity who wishes to pursue the path of service to self must attain a grade of five, that is five percent service to others, ninety-five percent service to self. It must approach totality. The negative path is quite difficult to attain harvestability upon and requires great dedication.

To answer question #3: I don't know that they can do it alone. We need others to advance in our paths both STO and STS. STS has to take slaves so they literally need others to enslave. Basically, you could look at your day, and if you were an STS M/B/S, you would spend 95% of your day brutalizing, enslaving, manipulating and spreading hate among people. That's a ton of work and dedication needed in order to pursue a goal. Think if you worked 95% of a 24 hour period just to make your neighbor miserable?

Quote:17.33 ▶ Questioner: Why is the negative path so much more difficult a path to attain harvestability upon than the positive?

Ra: I am Ra. This is due to a distortion of the Law of One which indicates that the gateway to intelligent infinity be a gateway at the end of a strait and narrow path as you may call it. To attain fifty-one percent dedication to the welfare of other-selves is as difficult as attaining a grade of five percent dedication to other-selves. The, shall we say, sinkhole of indifference is between those two.
This seems much easier but yet, some still fail to make the mark.

Quote:2. Do STS-Beings have more free will than STO-Beings? I was thinking if they are going towards spiritual entropy they would become more and more predictable as they are moving towards the lowest state possible which is matter, correct?

They are given the same amount of free will as STO entities.
The psychopath is hardly predictable. These entities rely on others not being aware of their manipulations so they are always one step ahead of others. They are studying us for predictability as I believe they look at us like sheeple, cows, game, etc...
This is not your normal A-hole, an STS is much more than a mean person.
There are plenty of Black Magicians who are contacting intelligent infinity but they are working with the red, orange, yellow, blue and indigo while forgetting all about the heart chakra. Which all can be done, however, it requires much dedication upon the path to do this and is easier by utilizing the gifts of the green ray.
The lower rays offer a variety of services for the STS entity. Fear, control, domination, pain, the hate for other selves, etc.

Quote:4. How do you develop willpower? That is a general question I have. Sometimes I can feel my willpower deplete. I'm not sure if it's a real feeling or just an excuse. Does it have to do something with etheric and astral energies and is willpower limited? I've noticed that when I try to control thoughts, actions or feelings it works well for a time and then it becomes harder and harder and sometimes I can feel myself being drained and then I get weak. Is it simply a matter of practice or is there something deeper?
Will power and will are a little different in their functions. I will write about the will power as it's termed by us, people. So, what is it that you are willing yourself to do that you feel you cannot complete? You are willing yourself to do something and then you are stoping at the completion. I guess, in my experience I would have to say, love yourself first. And then, forgive yourself for failing or losing ground. When I feel like I have lost will power in my diet because I am eating cake or when I skip meditation, I immediately forgive myself. I literally tell myself, "it's ok". Otherwise you maybe sabotaging yourself in creating similar situations where you are challenging you and then you fail to complete. You cannot force yourself to do something I don't feel. I feel it would be better to say, ok, so what, I love you anyway. To remain fairly conscious through your growth, you will have to take notice of the things that have improved and keep in mind of your short comings but do not be harsh. You treat yourself the way you would treat a person who is suffering. You hopefully would treat them with loving kindness and not ridicule. Right?

Quote:5. How do you heal trauma from the past? Also a personal question. I think I've got a few of my chakras blocked and I've tried meditation but most of the time my mind goes blank and then I fall asleep.
There is a Q'uo quote that speaks about this very thing, falling asleep while meditating. They say it is because humans are so used to being on the go and busy that when we sit still, we fall asleep. We are NOT USED to stillness. Do not give up on meditation. Go on and fall asleep or you could try to do a 5 minute meditation, then 10...It's really the best way to heal trauma I feel. There is something to be said about the healing effects of stillness (Be still and know that I am God). I guess when I was first doing work in healing myself, I had to learn to say kind things to myself and pay close attention to the words I used toward myself. I use to say a lot of hateful things to myself like saying I am stupid, I can't do anything right, I'm ugly, I'm too fat. That only reinforces what's already been done to you. Then I began to pay close attention to my conversation with myself when I was stressed out (especially) and I really used some ugly words. I know you have read the Law of One, perhaps not all of it but it says to see yourself as The Creator. You are The Creator.

Quote:6. How and where do you learn? Do other higher dimensional beings simply teach you or do you have to experience and learn everything by yourself?

By learning I mean learning about the other planes of existence and their laws like the etheric and the astral realms or as some call it hyperspace and how to navigate and control them...
Well, you are here for one. Any questions you may have, you come here and there are plenty of seekers that have been at this for a long time and they will help you.
You are not without help. Everyone has guides that assist them with lessons, you may call upon the Angels for assistance in understanding. You can private message some seekers you feel are qualified to help you by the responses they have given in this forum. You read, you pray, you contemplate and meditate, the help will come.

Quote:As a 3rd dimensional being what is a realistic goal that can be achieved in this lifetime in regards to enlightenment?
No one can say this for you. The goal will be set by you and obtained by you. This is your journey even though we are all one, the illusion is that you are upon this journey and it is yours and yours alone and that's the way you could probably embrace it. It's is your unique experience according to you but by your positive actions, you will effect all of us and the world around you. When one grows, we all grow.
I'm not too great with words. I hope this helped in some way. Some very great questions.
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(09-09-2019, 05:46 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote:  "1. Do STS-Beings progress slower or faster than STO-Beings? I heard people say both so I'm confused now."

They progress at their own individual pace, most likely, and same for STO.


"2. Do STS-Beings have more free will than STO-Beings? I was thinking if they are going towards spiritual entropy they would become more and more predictable as they are moving towards the lowest state possible which is matter, correct?"

Keep in mind that STS social memory complexes are built on hierarchies of dominance. Regardless of how much free will they have, I dpubt they get to exercise it to their fullest.

Although I doubt they have any more or less free will than anyone else.

"3. How do STS-Beings progress? Do they do it alone since they can't let anyone help them or do they simply join the Orion Empire?"

Who says they can't get help? Not Ra. In fact, Ra has explained that they are bot uncommonly aided in negatively polarizing by other negative beings, usually at the cost of enslavement to such entities. Rarely, a negative human manages to ENSLAVE an extradimensional (likely 4d) STS entity, causing serious depolarization of that entity's entire SMC. The negative polarize through increasing their separation and negativity in thought and action.
One does not necessarily need extradimensional aid in this process. After all, Ghenghis Kahn didn't.

You can only join the Orion group by graduating to 4th density, BTW.
You don't join BEFORE graduating, although you may summon an Orion entity for aid. I have already mentioned what usually happens when such a summoning occurs. Remember, it is not the STS way to give freely and unconditionally, so prepare for somebody to end up enslaved to somebody via that route...

"If they join the Empire what decides their rank? I mean Genghis Khan was probably one of the most powerful people on the planet in his time yet he only got a position as a shipping clerk. Who or what decides that?"

Willpower and polarity, which seem linked. Ra describes a one on one combat for sorting out one's place in relation to another in the LoO material. Go look it up. I'm too lazy to do it for you.


"4. How do you develop willpower? That is a general question I have. Sometimes I can feel my willpower deplete. I'm not sure if it's a real feeling or just an excuse. Does it have to do something with etheric and astral energies and is willpower limited? I've noticed that when I try to control thoughts, actions or feelings it works well for a time and then it becomes harder and harder and sometimes I can feel myself being drained and then I get weak. Is it simply a matter of practice or is there something deeper?"

I guess by exercising it. I dunno. I don't really have much willpower TBH.


"5. How do you heal trauma from the past? Also a personal question. I think I've got a few of my chakras blocked and I've tried meditation but most of the time my mind goes blank and then I fall asleep."

I have been struggling to do that. Develop a dedicated spiritual practice, which includes meditation and mindfulness. Connecting with nature is good. I also make use of subliminal affirmation software such as "Emotional Pain Relief and Healing Aid version 3.0" by Indigo Mindlabs. If you have the money for Life Tune Up 5 however, that would be even better. If you huy E3, you calso buy the "Directional Reflection Shield" which takes all negative energy directed at you and returns it to the sender as well. Check out their website: subliminalshop.com

There are also healing codes, which work well but I hate doing them so I don't. There is a member in this community who has been helping me learn to heal from past trauma who goes by Agua. You can send him messages for advice, but he's unavailable until mid-December.

And remember this, as it is something Agua told me recently that really helps: The past DOESN'T EXIST. It's over and the future doesn't exist yet either. Only the present actually exists. So live in the present. I know from personal experience that that is easier said than done, but I find it helpful. As you become more present, you will slowly wake from the nightmare. Focus heavilly on developing presence.

Also, learn to fully feel and process buried emotions. This takes building presence to do. Agua can tell you more about it once he returns in Mid-December if you're interested in learning more.

"6. How and where do you learn? Do other higher dimensional beings simply teach you or do you have to experience and learn everything by yourself?"

Both can happen for either STS or STO. Note that as stated above, aid from STS entities comes at thw cost of enslavement unless you are the rare individual who can enslave one yourself, in which case, you have already polarized negatively to the point not just of graduation, but to where you can do that. One must be EXTREMELY negatively polarized for that to happen.

Regarding the STO path, there are MANY paths that will get you there, and if you want assistance, surely the iniverse will find a way to get you the assistance you need.

"By learning I mean learning about the other planes of existence and their laws like the etheric and the astral realms or as some call it hyperspace and how to navigate and control them..."

Ever heard the saying "Learn to walk before you learn jow to run"? You might wanna try the more basic aspects of positive polarization and generally just go out seeking positive spiritual guidance. There are also magick secret societies which may help you, but be careful who you choose to join amd remember what I just said above.

Keep in mind: Ra warns against trying to develop the higher energy centers too early or trying to polarize quicker than one can process, citing Hitler as an example. He tried to do so in the negative sense, went insane, and upon death, found his soul to be deeply confused and in need of great healing. Even by 1981, his soul was still experiencing that healing in the astral planes and may STILL be healing today. Naturally, despite all his negativity, it was unuseful to the creator and he was not harvestable. So keep that in mind because one can probably do the positive version of what Hitler did if one is not careful.

"7. As a 3rd dimensional being what is a realistic goal that can be achieved in this lifetime in regards to enlightenment?"

Nobody can tell you that with any real credibility. Just seek as best you can and find out how far you can go, if that is your goal. Me? I remain within the sinkhole of indifference and only am creating a spiritual practice for my self healing, with otherwise earthly goals. But I might want to increase my spiritual development and even learn white magick sometime down the line, although it won't be easy. Still, Ra says black magick takes even longer to learn.

Anyway, I hope all that helps. You are asking some pretty big questions that in all likelihood probably ought to have their own threads and STILL won't be fully answered even then.

Quote:Keep in mind: Ra warns against trying to develop the higher energy centers too early or trying to polarize quicker than one can process,
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I am well versed in the STS path. Basically, you manifest your lessons at a rate and speed which actually retards growth due to the massive desire of most of reality to be STO causing an overabundance of service. Unfortunately, the STS path values money, creation, sex, and to a lesser extent drugs. To 'convert' someone that is STS to a more balanced orientation, you have to be able to assert that you have the wisdom and power to communicate with them on their level.

This is the cause of the current reality that we live in. A rapid manifestation of a technocratic society at a pace that reduced learning, wisdom, growth, and abundance. A more balanced orientation would have resulted in a much cleaner reality to live in with greater expression of magic, cleanliness, orderliness, and peace for all.

Due to the convoluted nature of reality, rapid motion from greatly STO to a more balanced green ray configuration causes you to enter negative time/space and should not be attempted without guidance. (it is possible though, but somewhat bumpy you might say)

So the goal would be clearly to bring more individuals into greater alignment with their t/s s/t bodies, this naturally balancing the STO/STS dynamic towards a balanced inner validation and outer validation. Most STO entities thriving on inner validation, while STS entities exist in the opposite dynamic of outer validation.
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09-10-2019, 08:19 AM,
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(09-10-2019, 12:19 AM)BastionPath Wrote:  I am well versed in the STS path. Basically, you manifest your lessons at a rate and speed which actually retards growth due to the massive desire of most of reality to be STO causing an overabundance of service. Unfortunately, the STS path values money, creation, sex, and to a lesser extent drugs. To 'convert' someone that is STS to a more balanced orientation, you have to be able to assert that you have the wisdom and power to communicate with them on their level.

This is the cause of the current reality that we live in. A rapid manifestation of a technocratic society at a pace that reduced learning, wisdom, growth, and abundance. A more balanced orientation would have resulted in a much cleaner reality to live in with greater expression of magic, cleanliness, orderliness, and peace for all.

Due to the convoluted nature of reality, rapid motion from greatly STO to a more balanced green ray configuration causes you to enter negative time/space and should not be attempted without guidance. (it is possible though, but somewhat bumpy you might say)

So the goal would be clearly to bring more individuals into greater alignment with their t/s s/t bodies, this naturally balancing the STO/STS dynamic towards a balanced inner validation and outer validation. Most STO entities thriving on inner validation, while STS entities exist in the opposite dynamic of outer validation.

Quote:I am well versed in the STS path. Basically, you manifest your lessons at a rate and speed which actually retards growth due to the massive desire of most of reality to be STO causing an overabundance of service. Unfortunately, the STS path values money, creation, sex, and to a lesser extent drugs. To 'convert' someone that is STS to a more balanced orientation, you have to be able to assert that you have the wisdom and power to communicate with them on their level.
Let us not make mistakes here in thinking that an individual that has chosen the Service to Self path or the "left hand path" refers to those who "values" or even desires money, creation, sex and drugs. This path is generally the path of the elitists but also including serial killers and other psychopaths that enslave another for "their own good".
When this seeker continues her studies she will find that there is a definite line drawn in the sand so to speak. We all have done things that are let us say, immoral (not a good word but it's what I am using) but that does not make us STS, it could indicate we are either attempting to process catalyst but doing it in a way that is unbalanced either due to trauma or confusion. Some people are genuine seekers who are wealthy but their wealth does not dictate what their heart says to be. Many of us have used drugs and for long periods and really enjoyed them but we were always STO. You may be looking at catalyst and not polarity my friend, in your statement. Unless I misunderstood.
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09-10-2019, 08:43 AM,
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RE: A few question about STS
(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  Hey,

I'm new here and I've read quite a bit here as a guest. I still have some unanswered questions.


1. Do STS-Beings progress slower or faster than STO-Beings? I heard people say both so I'm confused now.


2. Do STS-Beings have more free will than STO-Beings? I was thinking if they are going towards spiritual entropy they would become more and more predictable as they are moving towards the lowest state possible which is matter, correct?


3. How do STS-Beings progress? Do they do it alone since they can't let anyone help them or do they simply join the Orion Empire?

If they join the Empire what decides their rank? I mean Genghis Khan was probably one of the most powerful people on the planet in his time yet he only got a position as a shipping clerk. Who or what decides that?


4. How do you develop willpower? That is a general question I have. Sometimes I can feel my willpower deplete. I'm not sure if it's a real feeling or just an excuse. Does it have to do something with etheric and astral energies and is willpower limited? I've noticed that when I try to control thoughts, actions or feelings it works well for a time and then it becomes harder and harder and sometimes I can feel myself being drained and then I get weak. Is it simply a matter of practice or is there something deeper?


5. How do you heal trauma from the past? Also a personal question. I think I've got a few of my chakras blocked and I've tried meditation but most of the time my mind goes blank and then I fall asleep.


6. How and where do you learn? Do other higher dimensional beings simply teach you or do you have to experience and learn everything by yourself?

By learning I mean learning about the other planes of existence and their laws like the etheric and the astral realms or as some call it hyperspace and how to navigate and control them...


7. As a 3rd dimensional being what is a realistic goal that can be achieved in this lifetime in regards to enlightenment?  


What excellent questions to ask. I’ll give my opinion on the questions I can answer:

1. STS progresses slower. The negative path accumulates karma, compared to the STO entity who is balancing karma. I think it can be quick or slo depending on the STS entity and the purity of Will and desire. There’s a one-pointedness of concentration/focus that adepts of both paths are able to achieve.

2. They have the same free will as us all. It’s a matter of what both paths choose to do with their free will. One could say they’re less free because they reject the open heart. Negatives are basically slaves to those higher than they are in the negative power structure.

3. They progress by polarizing on the negative Left Hand Path. What are the principles of negativity? Manipulation, control, deception, trickery, perversion, cleverness, wisdom without love. These are the means by which STS polarizes. So, where are these opportunities present on our planet? Look around, the answer is in front of our faces.

Where we go after we die is determined by our violet ray chakra readout. Ghenghis Khan indeed was extremely powerful in this 3D. But when he joined Orion his rank was pretty average. It shows us that 3D human power is a pale shadow in comparison to 4D negativity. If Ghenghis Khan is now the equivalent of a shipping clerk (disseminating information to the Crusaders) think about what an Orion General must be like.

4. Willpower is developed by practice. You will be tested. Will is power. You want to use this power responsibility. It’s you’re free will, do whatever you want, but if you want to polarize positive there are certain practices that are barred from us. We cannot, for example, use the power of Will to manipulate or control others. You certainly could but you’d be polarizing negatively.

How this is developed, I know one way: start small. Say aloud that you will do a certain thing. You now have 24 hours to do that thing, whatever it is. Make sure you complete your objective before the time is up. Continue doing this with bigger and bigger things.

I feel like I really decimated my willpower when I was a younger adult. I gave in to temptation and let my power fall. Now I am seeking to rebuild it. It is difficult. We gotta keep pushing though. Exercise your will. Power is not inherently a bad thing.

5. This is a tough one. It will require work. Allowing that which has become set in the unconscious mind to slowly rise to the surface is something that meditation can help with. We need to be patient and persevering. We couldn’t handle the catalyst when we initially received it and we buried it in the unconscious mind. Now we are more mature and ready to deal with it. Intend this in the meditative state. Your deep mind can hear you. It will respond, like the slow and careful courtship of the Maiden in the Lovers Tarot Card.

6. Personally, I’ve learned about these things by studying the Ra Material and the Holy Qabalah with its Tree of Life glyph. There are other systems for different types of people. You may be seeking alone or you may find a group or friends. Seeking with others helps a lot!! Your being on this forum is a great thing.

7. I can’t answer this for you. What goals do you have? In my opinion, don’t settle for anything less than complete and perfect enlightenment (to use a Buddhist term). Whether that is achieved in a lifetime, or ten, or a hundred.

These were good questions to look at. Regard these words as my opinion. Feel free to throw out anything that doesn’t resonate Smile
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09-11-2019, 10:44 AM,
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RE: A few question about STS
Their dreams are tormented by powerlessness

That is why they choose the path of power over other so they may fufill the duaility of victim-victimizer. Totally tip the scale in one direction toward their own power because they are scared shitless of what happens to them at night when they dream. They totally become the victim of experience.

When in reality there are no victims....

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09-11-2019, 11:39 AM,
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(09-11-2019, 10:44 AM)tamaryn Wrote:  Their dreams are tormented by powerlessness

That is why they choose the path of power over other so they may fufill the duaility of victim-victimizer. Totally tip the scale in one direction toward their own power because they are scared shitless of what happens to them at night when they dream. They totally become the victim of experience.

When in reality there are no victims....

'They' who?

And under a veil, based on what?

While incarnate you are still going through polarization. Nothing should be known.

Relate to the entity having nightmares, and if you somewhat walked their shoes, then you can speak from experience, your experience.
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09-11-2019, 02:32 PM,
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(09-11-2019, 10:44 AM)tamaryn Wrote:  Their dreams are tormented by powerlessness

That is why they choose the path of power over other so they may fufill the duaility of victim-victimizer. Totally tip the scale in one direction toward their own power because they are scared shitless of what happens to them at night when they dream. They totally become the victim of experience.

When in reality there are no victims....

You may have point there. I don't think it's the way we see being scared sh*tless. I believe for the STS individual, you know the possibly of being on the receiving end of one of their games and you will do what you have to in order to stay in a position of power as in "there is no rest for the wicked". I mean this is a very difficult path, they must be very, very dedicated to go to 4th density negative. The dreams reflect the mind and the condition of the mind in my personal opinion. They may have excellent dreams about taking hostages, hurting small children, etc...
The STS, shape and bend their reality just as we do. They make into what is suitable, comfortable and powerful.
Your last statement I feel is very true but it is a dense illusion and it seems very real and feels very real just like it is suppose to be. I feel like we shouldn't look past the obvious, this feels very real and it is part of our spiritual journey to experience the illusion, we came to learn more about ourselves and you couldn't polarize quickly without the illusion.
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09-11-2019, 03:13 PM,
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And a quick search from Q'uo.

https://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1989/1989_0412.aspx
Quote:We have not touched upon the nightmare for the nightmare is not a different kind of dream. A nightmare can be that which was caused by the happenings of the day, that which was caused by repeated trauma in childhood. The classic, shall we say, nightmare is simply that type of dream which is very, very useful to examine, for what is feared, how it is feared and what the situation that is feared is actually like, this sort of working with the dream is most helpful.

Now, we are aware that it is felt sometimes that there is some help in offering difficult images in the dreaming process. However, we may suggest that you protect yourself by praying as you sleep, that is, as you enter the state of sleep. A simple prayer, the Lord’s prayer or a simple childhood rhyme, thus surrounding yourself with the love and the light of the Creator which you remember instantaneously and Who instantaneously sheds grace abundant upon you.

The psychic greeting dream does exist but is so very specialized that it is extremely rare. Realize that your own lives have shown you abuse, terror, shame, humiliation and many extremes you would much prefer not having experienced. All of this is catalyst and is dealt with largely on the subconscious level. So your nightmares are actually attempts to heal and are to be valued as much as the happiest dream, for they represent a valiant and courageous subconscious mind which is quite determined to see you through that which has made you fear something or someone.
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09-11-2019, 04:18 PM,
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This goes right along with what Agua told me about nightmares: that they are actually some of the most effective healing processes you can have.
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(09-11-2019, 03:13 PM)ada Wrote:  And a quick search from Q'uo.

https://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1989/1989_0412.aspx

Quote:We have not touched upon the nightmare for the nightmare is not a different kind of dream. A nightmare can be that which was caused by the happenings of the day, that which was caused by repeated trauma in childhood. The classic, shall we say, nightmare is simply that type of dream which is very, very useful to examine, for what is feared, how it is feared and what the situation that is feared is actually like, this sort of working with the dream is most helpful.

Now, we are aware that it is felt sometimes that there is some help in offering difficult images in the dreaming process. However, we may suggest that you protect yourself by praying as you sleep, that is, as you enter the state of sleep. A simple prayer, the Lord’s prayer or a simple childhood rhyme, thus surrounding yourself with the love and the light of the Creator which you remember instantaneously and Who instantaneously sheds grace abundant upon you.

The psychic greeting dream does exist but is so very specialized that it is extremely rare. Realize that your own lives have shown you abuse, terror, shame, humiliation and many extremes you would much prefer not having experienced. All of this is catalyst and is dealt with largely on the subconscious level. So your nightmares are actually attempts to heal and are to be valued as much as the happiest dream, for they represent a valiant and courageous subconscious mind which is quite determined to see you through that which has made you fear something or someone.

thanks! I appreciated this quote. It hit home.
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09-12-2019, 12:43 AM,
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Serial killers, rapists, and tyrants are simply the negative poles of much larger bodies. Studying the anti-christ, they are simply the negative manifestations of larger imbalanced bodies. Highly STO as they are allowing violation of their inherent divinity so as to reflect the ugliness or distortions of the larger bodies they exist in.
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(09-11-2019, 03:13 PM)ada Wrote:  And a quick search from Q'uo.
...
Realize that your own lives have shown you abuse, terror, shame, humiliation and many extremes you would much prefer not having experienced. All of this is catalyst and is dealt with largely on the subconscious level. So your nightmares are actually attempts to heal and are to be valued as much as the happiest dream, for they represent a valiant and courageous subconscious mind which is quite determined to see you through that which has made you fear something or someone.

I love this. It's so empowering. Thanks for finding it ada. Smile
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09-13-2019, 04:05 PM,
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(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  1. Do STS-Beings progress slower or faster than STO-Beings? I heard people say both so I'm confused now.

From this transcript:

Quote:You see, my friends, service to others is actually service to self, for as you serve others, you learn. If you serve yourself first, the learning is so much harder and comes so much more slowly. As you give, so you receive. As you put yourself into difficulty, so you discover peace. As you remain serene within yourself, so you maintain all of [the] peace that you can. Note, we did not say, “may.” There is only so much that you can do in service to entities others than the self. This is due to the free will of each individual.

(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  2. Do STS-Beings have more free will than STO-Beings? I was thinking if they are going towards spiritual entropy they would become more and more predictable as they are moving towards the lowest state possible which is matter, correct?

In some sense, yes. The Confederation sources often describe the positive path as a surrender to a greater will, or rather yielding to the will that comes from a larger identity that partakes more of unity. Meanwhile, the negative path seems to be a doubling down on the free will of the entity as a separate entity. So to the extent that free will is precisely designed to butt up against distortions, the path that emphasizes grosser distortions emphasizes more "free will".

There's probably some sense in which what I said is wrong, but consider it one point of view on the matter.

(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  3. How do STS-Beings progress? Do they do it alone since they can't let anyone help them or do they simply join the Orion Empire?

There are master/servant relationships that seem to reproduce STS adept hood, but it isn't help so much as mutual interest in progress. The master wants the servant's power for his own, and the servant wants to learn keys to increase their own power, which for a time redounds to everybody's benefit. Eventually there would probably be a contest similar to what is described in negative social memory complexes by those of Ra.

However you are correct that their entire orientation is one of being alone, of marshaling the Creation to their end. To the extent that they see themselves in any other, they must not grant that other freedom, but instead manipulate or eliminate them from the equation.

(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  If they join the Empire what decides their rank? I mean Genghis Khan was probably one of the most powerful people on the planet in his time yet he only got a position as a shipping clerk. Who or what decides that?

Their relative ability to harness and direct light to achieve power would determine that. I wouldn't read too much into those of Ra's metaphor with respect to the rank.

(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  4. How do you develop willpower? That is a general question I have. Sometimes I can feel my willpower deplete. I'm not sure if it's a real feeling or just an excuse. Does it have to do something with etheric and astral energies and is willpower limited? I've noticed that when I try to control thoughts, actions or feelings it works well for a time and then it becomes harder and harder and sometimes I can feel myself being drained and then I get weak. Is it simply a matter of practice or is there something deeper?

My thought on this is that you develop your desire. How do will what you don't actually want? So higher willpower may dovetail with understanding a purer and purer concept of our own desire. This would also have to do with polarization, I would think: as we reinforce the choice of polarity we've made, we build a clearer and clearer concept of that which draws us forward.

(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  5. How do you heal trauma from the past? Also a personal question. I think I've got a few of my chakras blocked and I've tried meditation but most of the time my mind goes blank and then I fall asleep.

The balancing exercises are the conscious way. All other experience, including dreams, are the default way. We are continually presented with new opportunities to work with our traumas or triggers. You can also manifest a desire to work on those things you choose to, I believe.

(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  6. How and where do you learn? Do other higher dimensional beings simply teach you or do you have to experience and learn everything by yourself?

By learning I mean learning about the other planes of existence and their laws like the etheric and the astral realms or as some call it hyperspace and how to navigate and control them...

I think those of the Confederation say that dreamtime is the venue for most lessons like that. See this transcript for more details.

(09-09-2019, 11:18 AM)rinzler Wrote:  7. As a 3rd dimensional being what is a realistic goal that can be achieved in this lifetime in regards to enlightenment?  

See this transcript:

Quote:We wish each to remember that this incarnation is most special, for at this particular, what you would call, time, those wishing to participate in the polarization of consciousness upon planet Earth are far more than the opportunities for animals which may house these consciousnesses. Therefore, souls to move into these human-being animals are chosen by seniority of vibration. This means that each of you is capable within this lifetime of achieving a harvestable attitude towards love. That is, each of you is capable of caring more for another, more for loving another, understanding another, comforting another, consoling another, forgiving another, than each cares for being understood or being loved or being consoled or being forgiven. This sacrificial nature of love, where one spends more of one’s time concerned with aiding others than one does concerned with aiding oneself, is a tremendously helpful way to move in polarization ever closer to the point where, when you do enter the larger life after the death of the animal which has carried you about, you shall be able to use the requisite amount of light from the infinite Creator.
My emphasis, and that was in 1989 so it's even more true now. Hope this helps!

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