Can you accept being a loser in this world?

[rinzler]

Let's be real here. You can not win in the physical world by acting in a way that resonates with higher densities. We know that's true for worldy things. Of course there are two kinds of winning. One is winning in this world and one is winning in the other. You can not tell me it is possible to have both. Even the disciples of Jesus constantly asked him how to turn the illusion in their favor. But to live in the illusion is not the right way. We are in this world but not of it. This seems rather  hard to accept. In fact probably the hardest to accept and I have had trouble doing that all my life.
This might be the hardest to accept. If we do not fight against those who rules us who stops them? I am aware of what Jesus said about handling occupation.
He said: "He advises his followers to overcome Roman oppression with creativity and kindness. If a Roman soldier conscripts you into carrying his bags, don’t just take them the legally required limit, carry them the extra mile."
This didn't work obviously. As you know, Rome eventually captured Jesus and crucified him . It seems that the executioners had a lot of vicious fun with him, as they mocked him with a crown of thorns, a robe, and a “coronation walk” where he was forced to carry the cross he would be crucified on.
And now look, Jesus teachings have been peverted and the Vatican/Jesuits are one of the most powerful organizations of the world(I mean that in a bad way).

Why bother? with anything. Nothing in this world matters. It might matter for the world after this one but not here. All you do here is fight against ebb and tide. An endless cycle of violence.

The only problem I seem to have with this is if you are with your family and friends.I can handle not having the gold of this world but can they? As the common saying goes pyrite is fools gold.
I'm not sure I'd be able to see people I love suffer because they refuse to take part in a corrupt system.I know we only have to be 51 % STO but you know in my opinion it's just as hard as being 95%. There's no point trying to live from your heart if you are willing trampling on others in order to get a comfortable life. We live with riches because we take from others. Don't try to sell me anything. This is the matrix we're talking about, not some fantasy.

Okay let's take an extreme example. Say you are in a post apocalyptic scenario and you and your family come across a bunch of thieves and worse....you know the only way to get trough this is to take your guns and use them in a lethal manner. It's a one way street. Either you do it or you get enslaved. What do you do?


25.5 Questioner: You spoke of an Orion Confederation and a battle being fought between the Confederation and the Orion Confederation. Is it possible to convey any concept of how this battle is fought?

Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, your mind. Picture it then in total unity with all other minds of your society. You are then single-minded and that which is a weak electrical charge in your physical illusion is now an enormously powerful machine whereby thoughts may be projected as things.
In this endeavor the Orion group charges or attacks the Confederation arms with light. The result, a stand-off, as you would call it, both energies being somewhat depleted by this and needing to regroup; the negative depleted through failure to manipulate, the positive depleted through failure to accept that which is given.

25.6 Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you said by “failure to accept that which is given?”

Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.
This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.
It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.
It has not been fruitful for either side. The only consequence which has been helpful is a balancing of the energies available to this planet so that these energies have less necessity to be balanced in this space/time, thus lessening the chances of planetary annihilation.

Defending yourself in this world....what would that turn you into?

This might be an extreme example but you can apply it into all areas of life. As you can quickly see this isn't a way to live in this world. To be of service to others is to be a loser in the physical ascpects of life.  Or does being STO allow you to defend yourself everytime you are attacked?
Then you'd have to carefully pick your battles so that you may win them. This quickly goes into STS-thinking.
Buddha once said that if you are given a gift and do not accept it it goes back to the one who bought it for you. Similary you can repel attacks and insults. Does that mean you should just let yourself get beaten down? I know you can control your emotional response but still. How could you allow your body to endure such suffering? It is just as much a part of you as is your soul.
Do any of you accept that like Jesus did? I doubt it.

I'm not sure if I'm capable of accepting that.

[breakingties]

For me winning is a life without negative emotions and thoughts, a life without suffering, but i will not leave this world until i will have a private jet. LoL

[sillypumpkins]

I can see where you're having trouble. I don't really know how to address it, but I see it

I understand this "ebb and tide" or "endless cycle of violence" as... just what it is. They are learning opportunities. For everyone. Opportunities to understand our selves.

I don't look at Jesus as a loser at all. To me, he is the perfect embodiment of the STO polarity. Even in the face of mass authoritarian persecution, he still maintained that polarity. That doesn't sound like a loser to me.

Put it this way: the alternative to maintaining positive polarity would have been to break down and give in to the negativity that he was faced with. This would have done... what exactly? Nothing. It would have done nothing. In maintaining positive polarity, Jesus set an example for all of us to follow. He taught us a lesson. To me, what he taught is invaluable. He made the ultimate sacrifice, and in doing so he taught us this lesson. Or he taught us this lesson by making the ultimate sacrifice... :p

To me, the lesson is that of acceptance. Jesus accepted the severe circumstances he was in with an open heart. It's nearly impossible for me to find words to convey how powerful this is.

Still, I see where you're hung up. This is just my view. Hope it helps a little bit

edit: I understand the thrust of what you're talking about a little more now. What I will add is that we are learning in a very "tough" school. I understand it's easy to view things as "bad," especially when the world seems to be run by evil men and women. Consider for a moment, that these "bad" people are perhaps hurting themselves, and in serving themselves, they are offering us an opportunity to learn, grow, and understand our selves more. For me, this perspective is fruitful. Be wary of nihilism

I don't want it to appear that I am condemning STS beings. I'm not. They do what they do for the love and light of the One Creator. They deserve as much love as anyone else. I had trouble phrasing that last paragraph, so I just want to make that clear. I don't necessarily believe that STS beings are hurting themselves, I just think it might be beneficial to view the question in the lens of "they might appear to be doing this thing, but in reality are doing another thing....." if someone can phrase it better, please do so

In the earthly, short-term viewpoint, yes I understand the nihilism and the "whats the point" mindset. Perhaps look at your question from a broader, more long-term viewpoint. Might help

be well and most of all

have
fun

[Hilarion]

I can sense your heart is opening, it is clear that you feel a great injustice in the world. For me this was the beginning. Seeing all the lies, mess and suffering in the world, seeing and accepting all the suffering that has been measured upon you. So you see this now, you feel it inside of you, what to do about it? Would you continue the cycle of suffering?


One man makes all the difference, one man contains the whole universe within himself.


I think you need to ask yourself what exactly are you trying to win? Is it money? women? attention? Friendship?

We live with riches because we take from others. Don't try to sell me anything. This is the matrix we're talking about, not some fantasy.

All is one, when you take from others you take from yourself. There is infinite abundance avaliable to all. I for one have seen objects manifest out of thin air infront of me. If you have it, faith will supply you with everthing you need. The only question is how to get faith? I would reccomend experimenting with faith, give something to others (even your own time) without expectation of return. You will see this measured back to you because in essence you are giving to yourself. You create your own reality, this is the truth, you are the matrix.

[Foha]

Quite frankly, I'm growing tired of solipsism

[Sacred Fool]

Quite frankly, I'm growing tired of solipsism

As I view it, solipsism is quite natural while one views the world out the windows of any of the first three energy centers.  A being is highly susceptible to it at the level of the first, and the next two also offer a glimpse of the world as it interacts with the simple, individuated self.

As one, through commitment to seeking and service, begins to sense how the world looks when viewed out from the heart center, the entire picture shifts and receiving love becomes less than the entire picture.  (One stops demanding, so what's in it for me?!)  Then one's outlook is less focused upon what one receives for the energy invested, and the pleasure of engaging in a loving manner becomes a joy in itself.

It's really a magical transformation that cannot be conveyed in a forum post--such as this.  One's entire center of gravity shifts over such that solipsism becomes uninteresting (as indicated in the quote above) and the interchange of beauty and kindness becomes the focus of interest.

Some say it's the gift of grace, but I surmise that it's just a function of the natural progression along the upward spiraling of consciousness.  That is, as one embraces more deeply one's very own heart, the shift occurs as a natural consequence and 4D light becomes, not merely bearable, but intriguing.

And until that shift occurs, terrestrial life is, indeed, manifestly ugly and burdensome by comparison.

  

[flow]

rinzler, i guess you still judge being a loser from STS values.

If someone is not wealthy, influential or famous doesn't make one a loser.

If you measure "success" from STS point of view and your not rich, then you are a loser.

If you measure "success" from STO values, then if you are happy, open-hearted and in peace with everything, then you are not a loser.

Don't narrow existence down to the STS competition game the most of humanity is involved in nowadays. Yoy may think of native anericans, who has a society based on dufferent values. One of them said: "Canada, the most affluent of countries, operates on a depletion economy which leaves destruction in its wake. Your people are driven by a terrible sense of deficiency. When the last tree is cut, the last fish is caught, and the last river is polluted; when to breathe the air is sickening, you will realize, too late, that wealth is not in bank accounts and that you can’t eat money."

Here's another example of this point of view, from native of Laos. Someone may say he is a loser. I'd say he is a winner, hands down)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=21j_OCNLuYg

You may watch "Hesher" movie and "Big Lebowski" to cheer yourself up (in case you need it)

BTW, I think that is why we have worldly and spiritual life segregation: those who decided to be dedicated to STO way found mundane world, where most people concern with their own benefit and profit, not really conducive for spiritual life, hence almost all cultures and religions has monasteries and other places of dedicated spiritual activity.

[Foha]

I really appreciate your response, Peregrine!

It's ironically a selfish comment I made and I'm sure I am not yet one of the individuals that has moved into that kind of grace you mentioned.

I still have a very long way to go and I'm unfortunately not expecting any real growth from myself.


I really relate with the OP. I can distance myself from physical gratification, but the people I care about make it difficult. I also have had difficult lessons where I had to be a bit more selfish to ensure I can survive to continue having chances to give

[EvolvingPhoenix]

For me winning is a life without negative emotions and thoughts

So essentially, by the rules you have laid out, one can only win by becoming 100% STO. A Kobayashi Maru for sure. Except ain't no Captain Kirk in this b****. I suggest lowering your expectations to something more realistic and less perfectionistic, or at the very least (assuming you miscommunicate) articulating your criteria for winning in a manner that is less hyperbolic.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

OP I will get to your post later, but I must say you are REALLY full of s***. You begin with "Let's be honest" and proceed to write a wall of text that is far from honest.

Don't worrt about fighting the Empire. Acting as though the world's ills are tue fault of black wizards is refusing to take responsibility for your part in the world's ills by putting the responsibility for it squarely in their hands. It is not necessary to stop them what is necessary is to heal and work on yourself. You need self honesty nd self awareness to do that. Not excuses and bullshit. You are not Superman and it is not your responsibility to save the world. Nor are you Luke Skywalker, tasked with the responsobility of stopping the evil Sith. And even if it were,  you would only be able to do anything about it by getring ypur own axt together first. Stop worrying about what the black wizards are doing and focus on what YOU wamt to do. And do that. Or don't, I don't give a s***. It's not my job to tell you what to do or what to think, nut at the same time, I'm going to call bullshit so that at least SOMEBODY might possibly sew this response and get a dose of reality to counter your heaping dose if New Jack horse crap. It doesn't matter which of thw two they listen to as far as I'm concerned. I'm just giving them the option.

[Sacred Fool]

It's ironically a selfish comment I made and I'm sure I am not yet one of the individuals that has moved into that kind of grace you mentioned.

I suppose it is, but likewise, it's a totally natural comment given amount of light you seem to be processing.  (I'm not making an evaluation of your status, just saying that the amount of love and light you are metabolizing, as it were, will be reflected in your decisions and comments, etc.)

I still have a very long way to go and I'm unfortunately not expecting any real growth from myself.

Well, you may feel you have a long way to go on one level (seeking balance and the ability to receive light and love), but on the other hand, how far away is your own heart?  Of course, I don't know you irl, but I'm guessing that it's very, very close to you during every minute of the day.  (Which is to say, it's the craftsmanship and discipline of learning to use your instrument that takes time, not the acquisition of the instrument....you already hold it in your hand, if you will.)
  
  

[rinzler]

Quite frankly, I'm growing tired of solipsism

As I view it, solipsism is quite natural while one views the world out the windows of any of the first three energy centers.  A being is highly susceptible to it at the level of the first, and the next two also offer a glimpse of the world as it interacts with the simple, individuated self.

As one, through commitment to seeking and service, begins to sense how the world looks when viewed out from the heart center, the entire picture shifts and receiving love becomes less than the entire picture.  (One stops demanding, so what's in it for me?!)  Then one's outlook is less focused upon what one receives for the energy invested, and the pleasure of engaging in a loving manner becomes a joy in itself.

It's really a magical transformation that cannot be conveyed in a forum post--such as this.  One's entire center of gravity shifts over such that solipsism becomes uninteresting (as indicated in the quote above) and the interchange of beauty and kindness becomes the focus of interest.

Some say it's the gift of grace, but I surmise that it's just a function of the natural progression along the upward spiraling of consciousness.  That is, as one embraces more deeply one's very own heart, the shift occurs as a natural consequence and 4D light becomes, not merely bearable, but intriguing.

And until that shift occurs, terrestrial life is, indeed, manifestly ugly and burdensome by comparison.

  

"35.1 Questioner: [I would] like to say that we consider this a great privilege to be doing this work and hope that we are going to question [in a] direction that will be of value to the readers of this material. This session, I thought that possibly inspecting the effect on the rays of different well-known figures in our history might be help in understanding how the catalyst of the illusion creates spiritual growth. I was making a list here and the first I thought we might possibly hit the high points on as to the effect of catalyst of the individual’s working life would be the one we know as Franklin D. Roosevelt. Could you say something about that entity?

Ra: I am Ra. It is to be noted that in discussing those who are well-known among your peoples there is the possibility that information may be seen to be specific to one entity whereas in actuality the great design of experience is much the same for each entity. It is with this in mind that we would discuss the experiential forces which offered catalyst to an individual.
It is further to be noted that in the case of those entities lately incarnate upon your plane much distortion may have taken place in regard to misinformation and misinterpretation of an entity’s thoughts or behaviors.
We shall now proceed to, shall we say, speak of the basic parameters of the one known as Franklin. When any entity comes into third-density incarnation, each of its energy centers is potentiated but must be activated by the self using experience.
The one known as Franklin developed very quickly up through red, orange, yellow, and green and began to work in the blue-ray energy center at a tender age, as you would say. This rapid growth was due, firstly, to previous achievements in the activation of these rays; secondly, to the relative comfort and leisure of its early existence; thirdly, due to the strong desire upon the part of the entity to progress.This entity mated with an entity whose blue-ray vibrations were of a strength more than equal to its own thus acquiring catalyst for further growth in that area that was to persist throughout the incarnation.
This entity had some difficulty with continued green-ray activity due to the excessive energy which was put into the activities regarding other-selves in the distortion towards acquiring power. This was to have its toll upon the physical vehicle, as you may call it. The limitation of the non-movement of a portion of the physical vehicle opened once again, for this entity, the opportunity for concentration upon the more, shall we say, universal or idealistic aspects of power; that is, the non-abusive use of power. Thus at the outset of a bellicose action this entity had lost some positive polarity due to excessive use of the orange- and yellow-ray energies at the expense of green- and blue-ray energies, then had regained the polarity due to the catalytic effects of a painful limitation upon the physical complex.
This entity was not of a bellicose nature but rather during the conflict continued to vibrate in green ray working with the blue-ray energies. The entity who was the one known as Franklin’s teacher also functioned greatly during this period as blue-ray activator, not only for its mate but also in a more universal expression. This entity polarized continuously in a positive fashion in the universal sense while, in a less universal sense, developing a pattern of what may be called karma; this karma having to do with inharmonious relationship distortions with the mate/teacher.*

This is all I have to say. Interprete however you want.

[sillypumpkins]

rinzler, forgive me but it's unclear to me what your intentions are for posting this? it seems you are avoiding any kind of meaningful dialogue on the subject. my initial thought was that you were having trouble reconciling with being STO and being a "loser," so I gave you my thoughts on it, and so did others. i was expecting you to reply in order to gain further understanding but that doesn't seem to be so. again, I am a little confused as to what your aim is with this post

Also, I don't understand your point with that quote about Ben Franklin

have fun

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Let's be real here.

If you're going to start off a post with "Let's be real" you are expected to follow it with honest content that comes from a place of reality. Let's see if what follows counts under the "real" category of content, shall we?  

You can not win in the physical world by acting in a way that resonates with higher densities.

AND right off, the bat, you drop the ball. That was fast. You are just making excuses for something you may just sim-ply not care about. In which case, the reason you should give yourself and others for not pursuing it would be: "I do not care enough about material success to chase material success" not "I can't have material success while acting in accordance with higher (positive polarity) densities" While material success may NOT be important to higher positive densities, this does not mean material success precludes you from positive behaviour. Now, there is also the possibility that you ARE motivated by material success and you are lying to yourself about it's importance to you, in which case YOU ARE NOT ACTING IN ACCORDANCE TO HIGHER (positive) DENSITIES, because denying material success only because you feel it "isn't in accordance with higher densities" is basically just following some bullshit rule. Completely disempowering. Disempowerment is NOT "in accordance with higher densities"IMMEDIATELY, you bullshit us, RIGHT AFTER starting off the post with "Let's be real" Amazing.


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EDIT: Also, I SWEAR I remember a part in the LOO channelings where Ra warns Carla that her choice to impose impoverished limitations on herself was not most productive towards positive seeking. if somebody can help me find this part of the Channelings, please feel free to post it, because I am having trouble finding it.

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Well, it's a long post, and we are just getting started. Let's continue, shall we?

We know that's true for worldy things.

Uhh. No. We do NOT "know" that. It is your opinion, not a fact.

Of course there are two kinds of winning.

If you say so.

One is winning in this world and one is winning in the other.

FALSE DICHOTOMY.

You can not tell me it is possible to have both.

Yes I can. I'm telling you that right now. You are presenting a false dichotomy that you impose on yourself and acting as if it is some sort of law of reality that applies to everyone when the truth is, you are simply making excuses for not even attempting it, when you seem to desire it. If you don't care to, no need to justify it then. If you do care to, excuses do not help you.

And if you WANT to succeed materially, but you choose not to out of some adherence to a self imposed "rule" of limitation, this decision lacks any true meaning. Nothing polarizing about that I should add. Not that you should be TRYING to polarize. Just letting you know though that it is not polarizing to do so, because it has no meaning and is not in accordance with your will.

But don't give us this bullshit like you can't do positive spiritual work and have money or s*** like that. Money is a useful resource that enable you the freedom and luxury to pursue positive work. You won't have to get a job, you will have time, you will be able to travel, etc. etc. I mean, money is Batman's fucking superpower and you want to act like there is no good you can do with material success. What a load of crap.

"Even the disciples of Jesus constantly asked him how to turn the illusion in their favor. But to live in the illusion is not the right way.[/quote]

There is no "right way" Concepts such as "right" and "wrong" keep people in a disempowered victim state. They are slaves to morality instead of doing positive work because that is in accordance with their will. Why do they do this? Because it makes a convenient excuse for not taking responsibility.

We are in this world but not of it. This seems rather  hard to accept.

Good news is you don't have to accept it, because you have no evidence to support this and you don't have, to my knowledge anything which would give you good reason to believe it. Most people I believe to be wanderers are people who have pierced the veil in some way. Only reason I believe myself to be one is because somebody who has pierced the veil and who I trust in their capability to know has told me it is highly unlikely I am of this world. What is your reason for believing this about yourself? What, because you, like all the other seekers on this forum, have a modicum of spirituality? Not a good enough reason to make such an assumption in my opinion. Even when people DO find out they are wanderers, I can say that those who do find out don't seem to care when they do. Not usually.

Not accepting being on this planet doesn't have to be because you are a wanderer. The reason you don't accept life on this planet, wanderer or not, is because it's full of CRAZY PEOPLE. This is an INSANE PLANET. But YOU CHOSE to be here, so suck it up, Buttercup. I had to, The rest had to. We all have to. And until you do, you are not going anywhere. Think you can just ride out this incarnation wallowing in self pity and nihilism and then die and suddenly return to your precious alien homeworld? Think again. If you do that, your sould will try to accept the lesson of learning to do otherwise, and will seek out probably the CLOSEST PLANET TO this insane asylum, just so you can learn to suyck it up and actually do what you wandered to do, assuming you're not full of s*** and you actually ARE a wanderer, which I don't.

In fact probably the hardest to accept and I have had trouble doing that all my life.

No, the HARDEST thing for you to accept is responsibility. Clearly. We've (almost) all been there dude. But now is not  the time to sit there and brood and s***. Harvest is REALLY ramping up. It's change or die. s*** or get off the pot. If you die, because you refuse to change, that's fine. But you will not just return to some happy gumdrop alien homeworld if you do, so you best get that delusion out of your head right now. NO WAY your soul is moving on and returning to your (supposed) SMC without learning what it feels it needs to learn in order to progress. I would know, because I DIDN'T. I was RITUALISTICALLY TORTURED ina horrific fashion in my last life, so badly it f***** me up in THIS one. Do you think I wanted to return to this fucking madhouse?! No, but I DID anyway, because it's what I knew I needed to do. Do you really think your soul won't do the same? GET REAL. You know, since "Let's be real here" Be careful what you wish for dude, because if you start your thread off with that, I'm taking it as a green light to get VERY real with you. Not that I needed it anyway.

There is no way around this. At some point or another, you are going to have to take the responsibility of actually LIVING and learning your metaphysical lessons. I DO NOT suggest you waste this opportunity, because you are at the end of a Mastercycle on a planet that has just gone 4D positive, with unconditional love energy and 4D light flooding the place at an increasing rate, the veil thinning all the time, channeled material telling you what you have to work with and an energy to the planet that ultimitely makes it VERY hard to maintain negative polarity but increasingly easy to gain positive. NOW IS YOUR CHANCE. I do not suggest you blow it. NExt plan et, you might not have this luxury. And what is it that Ra said? Oh yeah, he said, essentially that when it comes to making use of opportunities to polarize positive, it's USE IT OR LOSE IT. So I suggest you stop being a crybaby and start being a hero. Or you will lose the chance.

This might be the hardest to accept.

Clearly, what is hardest for you to accept is, again, personal responsibility. Keep refusing it, and somebody else will come along to take responsibility FOR YOU and put you in chains. You have been warned.

Actually, it seems you've already chosen to let the power elites who rituallistically torture and enslave this world do JUST THAT to you already. You can liberate yourself at any time though. You could start by knocking off the victim mentality. It'd do you a load of good, but whatever. Not my problem if you'd rather be in chains.

If we do not fight against those who rules us who stops them?

They do. They stop themselves. By fucking up. It's happening right now. They can BARELY keep their s*** together. It's like a suitcase falling apart at the seams. I was looking forward to the s*** show, but now I'm worried that if this is how the world freaks out when they are faced with a disease that's no more deadly than the flu, how are they gonna react when they discover 30-40,000 years of oppression? Now I'm a little worried. Still, it's gonna happen. It's HAPPENIGN RIGHT NOW. No need to form a lynch mob of one, just let these motherfuckers hang themselves. You don't even gotta give em the rope! They will do it themselves. And they are busy fighting EACH OTHER right now.

But let me ask you this? What would you intend to fight the evil Sith overlords with, Luke? Huh? Your self pity? Your nihilism? Your sense of victimhood? They have spent the millenia GLORIFYING the victim mentality to put people like you in EXACTLY the mental state you are expressing in this thread. By indulging in this s***, you are GIVING THEM WHAT THEY WANT.

I am aware of what Jesus said about handling occupation.

Who cares?

He said: "He advises his followers to overcome Roman oppression with creativity and kindness. If a Roman soldier conscripts you into carrying his bags, don’t just take them the legally required limit, carry them the extra mile."

Again, who cares?

This didn't work obviously.

Bullshit. His plan went off without a hitch. You do know he WANTED to be martyred, right?

As you know, Rome eventually captured Jesus and crucified him .

Guess you didn't know that. NEWSFLASH: HE WANTED TO BE MARTYRED.

All according to plan, if you ask me.

It seems that the executioners had a lot of vicious fun with him, as they mocked him with a crown of thorns, a robe, and a “coronation walk” where he was forced to carry the cross he would be crucified on.

So? He signed up for it. Maybe he should have thought up a better way than martyrdom, but it's what he wanted. Not our business to say if his decision was for the best in his case. Seems enough to graduate and move into 5th density. I'm sure he will gain plenty of wisdom there.

And now look, Jesus teachings have been peverted and the Vatican/Jesuits are one of the most powerful organizations of the world(I mean that in a bad way).

They've also done plenty of good too. Either way, he did more for the world than does your whining and bellyaching.

Why bother? with anything. Nothing in this world matters.

Boo hoo. Whoah is you. Nothing in this world matters to YOU. Know why? Because if something DID matter, you would then feel some responsibility for having to DO SOMETHING with that fact. Easier to wallow in nihilistic self pity and say stupid bullshit like "nothing matters" than to actually get off your ass, take some responsibility and DO some s*** that matters.

It might matter for the world after this one but not here.

There are 7 billion people on this planet in need of healing and liberation from oppression. Even when the Family falls apart and their empire crumbles, this world will be in GREAT NEED OF HEALING during the aftermath. CLEARLY, there is stuff that matters to this world, you're just too irresponsible to get off your ass and do any of it. That's fine man, but don't volley your excuses at us looking for pity. There is no service in coddling you by enabling that nihilistic victim mentality bullshit and I for one will have none of it. You can do what you want and you can ignore what I say if you want. THAT'S fine. I am not like the Family. I don't need you to think how I want you to. But that doesn't mean I have to stay silent. I'll at least give you the OPTION of being self aware and taking responsibility for your s***. If you don't want to take it and you just want to wallow in self pity, that's your prerogative. No skin off my ass. I'm just giving you the option to knock it off. You don't have to take it. As they say: You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make them drink it.

All you do here is fight against ebb and tide

You're not showing me you have any fight in you. But whatever. Stop self projecting. You don't have to "fight against the ebb and tide" to do massive good in the world. All you have to do is heal yourself.

Get YOUR OWN s*** IN ORDER.

Everyone wants to "Drain the swamp" and project their problems onto some scapegoat: Washington, Liberals, Conservatives, Foreigners, minorities,  the other gender, other religions, reptilians, the "devil" the "Illuminati" the Orion Empire, etc. etc.

Everybody wants to have a scapegoat.

You wanna drain the swamp? DRAIN THE SWAMP WITHING YOURSELF. Take some personal responsibility and heal yourself. Because WE'RE the "Swamp" dude. THE SWAMP IS US.

An endless cycle of violence.

Not your problem. Focus on taking care of YOURSELF. You are of no use to the rest of the world in this disempowered victim state.

The only problem I seem to have with this is if you are with your family and friends.I can handle not having the gold of this world but can they?

WHO FUCKING CARES? Their insecurities are not your problem.

As the common saying goes pyrite is fools gold.

Whatever.

Here's a quote I like better:

“Life is not compassionate towards victims. The trick is not to see yourself as one. It's never too late! I know I've felt like the victim in various situations in my life, but, it's never too late for me to realize that it's my responsibility to stand on victorious ground and know that whatever it is I'm experiencing or going through, those are just the clouds rolling by while I stand here on the top of this mountain! This mountain called Victory! The clouds will come and the clouds will go, but the truth is that I'm high up here on this mountaintop that reaches into the sky! I am a victor. I didn't climb up the mountain, I was born on top of it!”
― C. JoyBell C.

How's that saying for ya?

I'm not sure I'd be able to see people I love suffer because they refuse to take part in a corrupt system.

YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW, talking yourself out of taking any meaningful action in the world (like focusing on helping yourself so you can be in a position to benefit others) and generally just making excuses and being a whiney crybaby instead of being of any use to them. You are doing EXACTLY THAT. You are standing IDLY BY and watching the world go to s***, while moping in the corner crying into your beer and singing sad songs to yourself about how "nothing matters"

Well if nothing matters, then logically, so would the suffering of your loved ones. Since you just posed the contradiction: On one hand: "Nothing matters." and on the other: "The suffering of the people I love matters"

Stop being a crybaby and PICK ONE.

I know we only have to be 51 % STO but you know in my opinion it's just as hard as being 95%.

As Ra said. Personally, I think percentage points mean nothing, and if you're hung on on them, you won't increase them. I have said it before and I will say it again: If you are hung up on graduating you will NOT graduate. If you are TRYING to polarize, you will NOT polarize. Polarization is the RESULT of realizing your Will, not the impetus.

There's no point trying to live from your heart if you are willing trampling on others in order to get a comfortable life.

So don't.

You are, once more, presenting yet another BULLSHIT false dichotomy:

Live from your heart and don't trample others or have money and do. What a load of crap.

We live with riches because we take from others.

Your excuse for keeping yourself in poverty, which I DO NOT share.

Don't try to sell me anything.

Fine. I won't. Why sell anything to your bum broke ass anyway? But DON'T YOU TRY TO SELL ME ANYTHING EITHER. That includes your whiney BULLSHIT.

This is the matrix we're talking about, not some fantasy.

Like you could tell the difference, or like you've actually ecaped the matrix. Your whiney sense of victimhood says otherwise.

Okay let's take an extreme example.

No need, but okay.

EDIT: WARNING! FALSE EQUIVALENCES OUT THE WAZOO AHEAD!

Say you are in a post apocalyptic scenario and you and your family come across a bunch of thieves and worse....

Okay.

you know the only way to get trough this is to take your guns and use them in a lethal manner.

You "know" it's the only way? Do you really know that? Sounds like another self imposed limitation to me.

It's a one way street.

Then go somewhere else.

Either you do it or you get enslaved.

You have a thing for false dichotomies, so pardon me if I find I'm skeptical of this one as well.

In fact, this whole extreme situation you came up with is a deliberate form of false equivalence you are making so you can treat your own life as if you have no positive option and get to remain a victim.

What do you do?

Well, if it really is a hopelessly dire situation in which no positive option exists, then I guess you KILL THEM, but YOU ARE NOT IN A HOPELESSLY DIRE SITUATION like the one you're making up. You are conflating this "extreme situation" with your CURRENT situation in order to try and smooth out the cognitive dissonance of on one hand being a victim and on the other hand, having a little voice in your head somewhere telling you to knock it off and stop being one. So now you are trying to convince us (and more importantly yourself) that your current sad sack self chopsen victim state is equivalent to being in this bullshit fucking scenario you've imagined, so you can justify being a mopey nihilistic victim.

Again, WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP.

25.5 Questioner: You spoke of an Orion Confederation and a battle being fought between the Confederation and the Orion Confederation. Is it possible to convey any concept of how this battle is fought?

Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, your mind. Picture it then in total unity with all other minds of your society. You are then single-minded and that which is a weak electrical charge in your physical illusion is now an enormously powerful machine whereby thoughts may be projected as things.
In this endeavor the Orion group charges or attacks the Confederation arms with light. The result, a stand-off, as you would call it, both energies being somewhat depleted by this and needing to regroup; the negative depleted through failure to manipulate, the positive depleted through failure to accept that which is given.

25.6 Questioner: Could you amplify the meaning of what you said by “failure to accept that which is given?”

Ra: I am Ra. At the level of time/space at which this takes place in the form of what you may call thought-war, the most accepting and loving energy would be to so love those who wished to manipulate that those entities were surrounded, engulfed, and transformed by positive energies.
This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.
It is thus that those who deal with this thought-war must be defensive rather than accepting in order to preserve their usefulness in service to others. Thusly, they cannot accept fully what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, that being enslavement. Thusly, some polarity is lost due to this friction and both sides, if you will, must then regroup.
It has not been fruitful for either side. The only consequence which has been helpful is a balancing of the energies available to this planet so that these energies have less necessity to be balanced in this space/time, thus lessening the chances of planetary annihilation.

This is not your current situation and what is more IT IS YET ANOTHER FALSE EQUIVALENCE. Just like your stupid doomsday scenario.

The REALITY (since you wanted us to "be real here") is that you are just choosing to mope around and b**** and whine instead of take meaningful positive action.

You are TOTALLY accepting a state of mental slavery and victimhood, and this mentality is a sign of you LETTING THEM KICK YOUR ASS.

Confederation forces do not operate from a place of victimhood, and neither do those of Orion.


YOU DO. But that's a CHOICE you are making. You are choosing to be a slave and justifying it by saying it is the result of your wokeness and refusal to be a slave. Cognitive dissonance out the ass.

WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP.

Defending yourself in this world....what would that turn you into?

Not a sad sack victim crybaby like you are CHOOSING TO BE right now, I know that much.

You are not "defending yourself" so much as giving up and throwing in the towel. This is, what is known in psychology as LEARNED HELPLESSNESS and it is partially the result of tens of thousands of years of deliberate negative programming you have MADE THE CHOICE to adopt.

Want to free yourself? Want to "not be enslaved"? Want to free yourself from the Matrix that you lie to yourself and pretend to be already free from?

GET OFF YOUR ASS THEN, STOP MAKING EXCUSES AND DO SOMETHING POSITIVE.

I suggest you start by healing yourself. Can't heal the world if you don't heal yourself. Work on strengthening your chakras, because you seem to have 3 lower chakras that are completely underpowered.

This might be an extreme example

And deliberately so, so you can make false equivalences. An ACCURATE example wouldn't be enough to convince yourself of your own helplessness. And you know it.

but you can apply it into all areas of life.

If you're full of s***, yeah.

As you can quickly see this isn't a way to live in this world.

I can quickly see two things:

1) you are making excuses for living in a state of perpetual helpless victimhood in order to avoid taking responsibility for yourself

and 2) THAT is now way to live in this world.

To be of service to others is to be a loser in the physical ascpects of life.

This is a decision first and a belief second. And a long ass, self pitying, wall of text full of cognitive dissonance, false dichotomies, false equivalence, denial and excuses third, it seems.

Or does being STO allow you to defend yourself everytime you are attacked?

No, 51% means 100%

You must be 100% positive and never be even remotely negative to be 51% positive. Oh wait, I'm starting to think in your bullshit terms of looking at the world. Glad I caught myself there. That was a close one.

Then you'd have to carefully pick your battles so that you may win them. This quickly goes into STS-thinking.

Ugh... EVERY. GODDAMN. SENTENCE. YOU WRITE. IS HORSE CRAP.

Buddha once said that if you are given a gift and do not accept it it goes back to the one who bought it for you. Similary you can repel attacks and insults.  Does that mean you should just let yourself get beaten down?

No. It means you stop needing the validation of others.

I know you can control your emotional response but still.

I would not recommend "Control" It has not done Reaper's Family much good over the past millenia and it won't do you any. Might I suggest instead SELF-ACCEPTANCE and PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?

Feel free to choose: Whiney bullshit, learned helplessness nihilism and perpetual victimhood though, if that's your cup of tea.

But since you said: "Let's be real"

I'm keepin' it real.

And since you said:

"Don't try to sell me anything"

Fine. You don't have to buy anything I'm selling. none of that personal responsibility or self healing stuff.

You know what though? Nobody has to buy your bullshit. I sure as hell don't.

How could you allow your body to endure such suffering?

I don't. It's called HEALING. I highly recommend it. But hey, you said not to sell you anything, so don't let my good advice get in the way of your whiney victimhood and bellyaching.

To each their own.

different strokes for different folks.

It is just as much a part of you as is your soul

Oh shut the f*** up. You are NOT your experiences or your pain, you are the one WITNESSING THEM. But whatever dude. Believe what you want.

If you don't like being preached to, FINE. But I don't like being preached to by whiney victims preaching the psalms of victimhood. And if you come to preach that crap, don't expect the rest of us to all instantly become your sad sack acolytes.

Do any of you accept that like Jesus did? I doubt it.

Oh no! I'm not a martyr! Guess if I can't be a martyr, I can't be a good person! Might as well not try to be anything but a sad, ronery, whiney victim then. It's my ONLY 3 options: Martyrdom, victimhood and evil.

Guess I have no choice but to pick victimhood.

OH WHOAH IS ME.

You done with this bullshit? Jesus. Only took you god knows how many paragraphs.

I'm not sure if I'm capable of accepting that.

I'm not sure you're WILLING to accept personal responsibility for your healing of your life. But that's not my probelm. That is YOUR problem.

At the end of the day, you can choose to be self aware or not. It's no difference to me, but since you came to preach the  Gospel of the Crybaby, I have chose to offer a counter sermon:

the Gospel of Personal Responsibility.

Any who read this (yourself included) are free to accept or reject whatever you care to, or go with a third option.

I AM ALL GOOD WITH PEOPLE THINKING FOR THEMSELVES.

Just don't expect people to instantly accept YOUR sermons either dude.

Nobody has to accept your whiney victim mentality. They are free to if they want though. They are also free to throw that bullshit in the trash, like I do.

Whatever.

I'm just offering a counter-point.

Nobody has to accept it.

But you DID say "Let's be real here"

Well... here's me keepin it real! I wonder if you are willing to face reality?

[EvolvingPhoenix]

rinzler, forgive me but it's unclear to me what your intentions are for posting this? it seems you are avoiding any kind of meaningful dialogue on the subject. my initial thought was that you were having trouble reconciling with being STO and being a "loser," so I gave you my thoughts on it, and so did others. i was expecting you to reply in order to gain further understanding but that doesn't seem to be so. again, I am a little confused as to what your aim is with this post

Also, I don't understand your point with that quote about Ben Franklin

have fun

Here let me tell you what his intentions are:

His intentions are to come here posting a bunch of whiney nihilistic bullshit, preaching his sermons while telling us not to "sell him anything" as he peddles his victimhood, so he can have a forum to convince others of his helplessness, because he himself is not truly convinced.

So by fighting everyone who answers his obvious bellyaching with well meaning dissent, he can do battle with the cognitive dissonance in his head in a manner that is external so he doesn't have to go within.

Are his intentions easy for you to understand now?

Problem is: He is doing battle with the voice in his head that says he is not a victim, and he is getting his ass kicked. As victims tend to do.

[sillypumpkins]

Here let me tell you what his intentions are:

His intentions are to come here posting a bunch of whiney nihilistic bullshit, preaching his sermons while telling us not to "sell him anything" as he peddles his victimhood, so he can have a forum to convince others of his helplessness, because he himself is not truly convinced.

So by fighting everyone who answers his obvious bellyaching with well meaning dissent, he can do battle with the cognitive dissonance in his head in a manner that is external so he doesn't have to go within.

Are his intentions easy for you to understand now?

Problem is: He is doing battle with the voice in his head that says he is not a victim, and he is getting his ass kicked. As victims tend to do.

I see now. I sensed something like that, but the original post felt so tangled up I had such a hard time unraveling it!

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Also, I'd like to point out, OP is the one calling people without material success "losers"

He chose to accept the programming that labels such people as such. What's that say about his mentality on the matter? It's DISTORTED.

[unity100]

loser

There is no such nonsense: You are here to do what you came here to do.

If you aren't doing what you intended to do, that's bad. If you are doing what you intended to do, that's good.

Society's biases and expectations change every 1 to 2 decades. Judging your life based on those would just leave you in a dilemma in a decade.

You walk your own path forward.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Whatever your path is, it ain't sitting around bitching about how "Nothing matters"

I suggest you focus on HEALING YOURSELF. Can't do anything else from an unhealed place I don't think. And you probably shouldn't try to do too much of it from such a place, for multiple reasons.

[rinzler]

I've seen people respond to my other threads and wow. I'm not sure if it's a lot of people on this forum or just one guy but you people are lead astray by a single individual entity and getting soaked up in it's emotional mess. Taking part in it's attempt to take as much energy as possible from others. Frankly I'm not sure what to think of this. I've read about a Phoenix countless times but only from the negative 3D elite.
Having read other threads I see now I'm not the only one who's experienced this. I've seen this pattern on other forums and you guys should act really quick before he ruins it for everyone. I don't think it's necessary to point out the wrongs here as anyone with common sense can see them. I already reported his posts and put him on ignore. I can only advice anyone the same. Save yourself the trouble. Don't get drawn into this guy's mess or whatever his agenda is.

As to the other people posting here:
My point is that most people are no Jesus in spiritual terms. The first three chakras are necessary for harvest and heavily dependant on the physical world. At least for people just starting on the spiritual path aka...the vast majority. I wouldn't tell people that this world doesn't matters because it very much does. In my view this is also a reason why harvest is so low. Because believe it or not from what I've read on other 4D extraterrestrial channelings most other beings don't care much for humans. Talk about getting tangled up in a mess.
More than half the planet lives in abject poverty. There is no spiritual progress possible in these conditions. Maybe karmic rebalancing but nothing else. This isn't right in my opinion and honestly even knowing I came here for a purpose I resent coming here. This life has the worst aspects of a lottery and a casino combined and to tell other people they can achieve anything just like the other spiritual masters does not help. Realism would be well placed here. The glass isn't half full or empty. It's filled with water.

[Aion]

I ain't worried about illusory dualities.

[Sacred Fool]

This isn't right in my opinion and honestly even knowing I came here for a purpose I resent coming here. This life has the worst aspects of a lottery and a casino combined and to tell other people they can achieve anything just like the other spiritual masters does not help. Realism would be well placed here. The glass isn't half full or empty. It's filled with water.

One way of looking at it (which might offer a tiny ray of encouragement) is that in order to deeply experience the benefit of life here, you must allow the full flow of experience to pass through you, and this includes some of the heavy stuff you seem to be carrying: resentment, discouragement, rejection, shame and so forth.  It's fundamentally inevitable that the path to wholeness includes all these things.  And, also, it includes much, much more.  There are so many different ways of experiencing this plane of being.  It's not at all limited to the darkly tinted picture you now are confronted with.  As you move through the stage you're now in, other things will open up for you.  But the only way through it is to simply move through it, just as you are doing.  You suffer experiencing what you perceive as yourself until, for a time, the jungle opens into a clearing of peace and acceptance of self as the thing you complain about.  Then after a while, you re-enter the jungle to find what awaits you...as you. The benefit of being here--mentioned above--is the experience of seeing the outer world (as well as inner worlds, perhaps) as self, just as the Creator might.  At that point, what do you suppose is the instinctive response? 

Love.
 
  

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Oh god...

This fool thinks I'm the leader of the forums XD

Love how he blocked my ass LOL.

I probably was overly harsh though.

I wasn't wrong, but I didn't need to be MEAN about it.

I would apologize but, you know, I'm blocked.

Seriously, this guy didn't need to block me. If he thinks I'm going to waste any more of MY energy on HIM, he is sorely mistaken. He makes a self pitying whiney post bitterly preaching his nihilism to everyone and then complains I'M the one trying to drain people of their energy.

I'm done with this.

But one last thing on the matter:


"This life has the worst aspects of a lottery and a casino combined and to tell other people they can achieve anything just like the other spiritual masters does not help"

See what I mean? More victim talk. Luck does not exist. The Will does.

Also, dontcha just love it when someone has an opinion, isn't open to dissent, blocks dissenting opinion and then labels his opinion as "common sense" so they don't feel the need to subject it to scrutiny?

Yeah, me neither.

Also, LOL "realism"

[sillypumpkins]

I've seen people respond to my other threads and wow. I'm not sure if it's a lot of people on this forum or just one guy but you people are lead astray by a single individual entity and getting soaked up in it's emotional mess. Taking part in it's attempt to take as much energy as possible from others. Frankly I'm not sure what to think of this. I've read about a Phoenix countless times but only from the negative 3D elite.
Having read other threads I see now I'm not the only one who's experienced this. I've seen this pattern on other forums and you guys should act really quick before he ruins it for everyone. I don't think it's necessary to point out the wrongs here as anyone with common sense can see them. I already reported his posts and put him on ignore. I can only advice anyone the same. Save yourself the trouble. Don't get drawn into this guy's mess or whatever his agenda is.

I don't know Phoenix very well. I think what he said to you could be of value however. I agree with what he's said, though personally I would've been less "bitey" about it. That's just how he rolls though! some don't like that and that's okay. we all need a little tough love sometimes. he's not trying to be mean, quite the opposite in my view

As to the other people posting here:
My point is that most people are no Jesus in spiritual terms. The first three chakras are necessary for harvest and heavily dependant on the physical world. At least for people just starting on the spiritual path aka...the vast majority. I wouldn't tell people that this world doesn't matters because it very much does. In my view this is also a reason why harvest is so low. Because believe it or not from what I've read on other 4D extraterrestrial channelings most other beings don't care much for humans. Talk about getting tangled up in a mess.
More than half the planet lives in abject poverty. There is no spiritual progress possible in these conditions. Maybe karmic rebalancing but nothing else. This isn't right in my opinion and honestly even knowing I came here for a purpose I resent coming here. This life has the worst aspects of a lottery and a casino combined and to tell other people they can achieve anything just like the other spiritual masters does not help. Realism would be well placed here. The glass isn't half full or empty. It's filled with water.

I get it, I know life is hard and hellish for some. it's a tough school to learn in. remember though, we always have a choice and we can always change our reality if we want to. if you don't want to live in an unrighteous world, you can change that. really. im not lying

be well!

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Yeah, although even I looked at my post and saw a lack of balance between wisdom and compassion. People had far more for me when I first entered these forums.

This is a lesson for me to learn how to be more compassionate when trying to offer my points across without sugarcoating it. Or at least without sugarcoating it to the point of decreased effectiveness.

If I'ma preach personal responsibility, I'ma have to take it myself.

I was too harsh to be of any true service there. And too impatient.

This is partially because at this point, I make use of unsugarcoated, blunt honesty for my own seeking and find myself grateful for it. If you have a thick skin about it, it becomes useful. But this dude doesn't have a thick skin yet. I should have gone lighter in my approach. I'll own up to that.


Although I will point out that this dude is projecting his sense of having an "emotional mess" onto me.

I'm not the one at this point barraging the forums with bitterness and whining. Although looking back, I did exactly that when I first got here.

**shrugs** Oh well. Live and learn I guess.

[sillypumpkins]

that is so awesome phoenix good for you for being able to recognize that

yes I think the bluntness works for some and others not so much

rinzler, im not sure if you can see phoenix's post after blocking him but it might be worth unblocking to read his post above me

take care

[flow]

...But this dude doesn't have a thick skin yet...

HH Dalai Lama once said: "Love is an absence of judgement". In my eyes this is a good reference point to keep in mind when trying to be of service and bringing 4D ever slightly so closer with our actions.
my apologies for possibly bringing up an advice i wasn't ask for.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Naw it's cool Flow. And you're right

Good quote.

[Infinite]

There are no losses.

[Diana]

Why bother? with anything. Nothing in this world matters. It might matter for the world after this one but not here. All you do here is fight against ebb and tide. An endless cycle of violence.

I understand your frustration. But the scenario you paint is not the only way it can be here, although given the state of consciousness here in general it is easy to see it this way. More below.

The only problem I seem to have with this is if you are with your family and friends.I can handle not having the gold of this world but can they? As the common saying goes pyrite is fools gold.
I'm not sure I'd be able to see people I love suffer because they refuse to take part in a corrupt system.

We are who and what we are at any given moment. So if that's how you feel then that is your catalyst to work through (and it can be really really hard) and as much as I empathize I can't make you into someone you aren't while you are walking your own path. The same can be said of your loved ones regarding how you handle their paths. What you can do, which is what I do and that is all I know to do given my present understanding, is to support your loved ones on their paths without detracting from your own, which involves self-knowledge and wisdom added to the love.

I know we only have to be 51 % STO but you know in my opinion it's just as hard as being 95%. There's no point trying to live from your heart if you are willing trampling on others in order to get a comfortable life. We live with riches because we take from others. Don't try to sell me anything. This is the matrix we're talking about, not some fantasy.

Firstly, I would let go of these percentages. I think you only mean them as a reference. But back to the idea we are who we are at any given point—that is a proper reference point in my opinion. You go from there. You do your best at everything you do (for example even cleaning the house or working at a job that is not ideal), and you strive to reach your potential. In this way the focus is shifted from this messed-up world to a higher consciousness.  

You do not have to take from others to get riches. There is unlimited supply, and it is just the controlling factions of this planet who promulgate scarcity.  

Okay let's take an extreme example. Say you are in a post apocalyptic scenario and you and your family come across a bunch of thieves and worse....you know the only way to get trough this is to take your guns and use them in a lethal manner. It's a one way street. Either you do it or you get enslaved. What do you do?

Maybe a book, movie, or video game might play out that way. There are other ways this would play out. There is intellect that could be used to outsmart an opponent. There are self-defense techniques to use that are nonlethal. And on and on.

Defending yourself in this world....what would that turn you into?

What you choose to turn into.

This might be an extreme example but you can apply it into all areas of life. As you can quickly see this isn't a way to live in this world. To be of service to others is to be a loser in the physical ascpects of life.  Or does being STO allow you to defend yourself everytime you are attacked?
Then you'd have to carefully pick your battles so that you may win them. This quickly goes into STS-thinking.
Buddha once said that if you are given a gift and do not accept it it goes back to the one who bought it for you. Similary you can repel attacks and insults.  Does that mean you should just let yourself get beaten down? I know you can control your emotional response but still. How could you allow your body to endure such suffering? It is just as much a part of you as is your soul.
Do any of you accept that like Jesus did? I doubt it.

I'm not sure if I'm capable of accepting that.

I don't think anyone should let themselves be beaten down. I see in your thinking a very black and white picture. Let's take being attacked. I'll reiterate that if you know self-defense as a legitimate martial art, you will know how to defend without harming, or at least minimizing the harm to all. Service to others includes self. If you wouldn't want a loved one to get beaten, then why would you want your self to get beaten, as all are one, and hopefully you (not anyone in particular) respect the physical vehicle you have in this life.

So the idea here is to expand thinking, embrace more possibilities. There is nothing wrong with your attitude, because going through the steps toward wisdom include questioning and making some sense of the dichotomies and paradoxes. I do not advocate a thin layer of positivity over a lake of confusion. I say let the confusion rise and be dealt with. That said, it isn't easy on this planet at this time, down here in the trenches. And I agree that it is likely so easy "on the other side" of this 3D (or early 4D as the case may be) to give advice which may be so wise and helpful, while trying to implement it in this environment is difficult. But growth often is difficult.