Are you going to take the vaccine?

[Relax]

"it pisses me off to see photos of mass pyres and people collapsed in the streets and crying and desperate for oxygen"

And what does this have to do with a vaccine? It may seem like an obvious connection, but it isn't. No one is disputing deaths, what is being disputed is the actual causes (beyond just viruses), the optics/media, and the solutions being offered.

Zedro, “it pisses me off to see photos of mass pyres and people collapsed in the streets and crying and desperate for oxygen” AND then log onto B4th and READ CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT ALLEGES (to quote you as 1 of many examples):

No one is disputing deaths, what is being disputed is the actual causes (beyond just viruses), the optics/media

and

“media optics that we've seen performed here in North America where the performative fraud has been exposed (hospital stacking, fake accounts of overflowing ICUs, etc). So deaths are happening, but what are the real numbers/reasons?”

and re:

Just because it seems like a slam dunk that the establishment is proposing, does not make it so. This is what the thread is about, and at least tries to present metaphysical aspects, instead of just parroting MSM dogma.

“parroting MSM dogma”

is incorrect (and insulting). Incorrect - because I gave information from actual eye witnesses.
You see, to say ‘dogma’ about nearly every info source/journalist other than ‘alternative’ conspiracy focussed sites (imo just as likely to be truthful or biased) means discussion always has the goal posts moving at your convenience, your assessment of veracity.

Re the connection with vaccine (?) it’s inextricably linked with the disease vector (your following post even speaks directly to this) (!) which atm is completely out of any sort of control from what friends in India are telling me.

Also - vaccine hesitancy rhetoric has come from members, along with infection and death rate denial rhetoric throughout threads on B4.

I don’t discount there could be nefarious depopulation agendas afoot – either through covid in the first place and/or through vaccinations (ordinarily I’m a proponent of vaccination) – I have no hard and fast opinions yet. I’m not naive nor do I accept everything I read – not anywhere… but I do believe the word of friends in India.
It’s incredible egoism to pontificate for this many pages about theories that deny eye witness reports.
If I'm conflating two separate conspiracy theories in this thread it's because I don't have time to re read every post here or on other related threads to determine if there are any posts to this thread that allege covid infection and death statistics have been tampered with - I wanted to say overall it bugs me - and did so.

People are losing loved ones – millions of people losing parents, wives, husbands, children, friends, whole families of people gone – and threads like these don’t actually achieve either exposure of alleged agendas or promote compassion and meditation for people suffering. (Instead arguing about numbers and vaccine efficacy.)

Plus we’re all non-experts in any of the relevant areas. Whoever we use for our information sources needs to have a good track record of expertise either in metaphysics, politics, science, science denialism, religion, history... people who have set significant sections of their lives aside in daily research to pursue evidence backed theories... the internet has made any person able to read/type/google/imagine themselves a (self proclaimed) expert on topics which is not wisdom but an illusion of wisdom.

I said this before - a long time ago (yeaaaars back) - we can't trust people just because they're experts in an area - but we can expect them to have greater analysis than us if they've made it their life's study/work, and especially if they have peer reviewed support. (and yes - there can be issues with that sometimes) but I prefer that, to a person who makes incredible statements/claims without any verification at all (or uses circular self verifying 'logic').

That the majority of thousands upon thousands of scientists now agree the planet's climate is in crisis and a sixth mass extinction is under way - co-ordinating that many separate, sovereign individuals all from different countries, backgrounds, lives, ideas, co-ordinating them to lie doesn't hold up.

Yes scientists fudge numbers for funding, yes they can be wrong, but they are happy to disagree with each other - and the primary requisite, intrinsic personality trait in the psychology of a scientist is a love of impartiality and proof.
They're not infallible for sure - but I'll take their conclusions - especially when a predominance of them all arrive at the same conclusions - over someone with interesting ideas but no verifiable proof.

This is why I have no issue with the veracity of Ra -
1. Disclaimer always given.
2. Rigorous procedure, protocol, trio of people for protection/purity of source information.

Since very young I've 'seen through' the illusions of this world - so I'm no conformist - I know society is sick and sts is entrenched at numerous levels.

These lengthy threads encourage fear, come from fear, create circular arguing, don’t suggest how we can become empowered, and take time from our lives when we could be offline helping people IRL (with any of the things our other selves are struggling with).

Going back to read only mode - Not in a ‘huff’ – but  because my brain doesn’t like these ways of interacting.
(NB: Unity 100 expresses my viewpoints most closely.)