Damnation of the soul within the context of the Law of One

[Patrick]

In this thread, I would like to discuss how the concept of the damnation of the soul fits within the framework of the Law of One ?

On the first video at around the 05:25 mark Anthony mentions the final outcome being the mark of the beast and the damnation of the soul.

Of course, I am familiar with those concepts being from a Catholic background.  It's just that after integrating the Ra material, I shed those concepts.

As I stand now, I don't even know where to start.

I would like to hear from those who hold that concept how they fit it within their own understanding of the Ra material ?

After reading through the previous pages, I'm astounded to find no mention of Anthony Patch's research on the matter.

Before making an informed decision on whether or not to vaccinate one's self with this particular set of vaccines, I'd consider all of the following to be...

ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL STUDY:

Please take the time to view all FIVE of the following videos in the order I present them. It's a couple of days worth of watching as each video is about an hour and a half to two hours long. But the information contained within them is, in my opinion, absolutely essential.

The following are the personal notes I have taken while watching. Anthony asks his audience to take notes while watching in order to be able to communicate clearly what we have learned.

PURPOSE:
To modify and/or deactivate our third and higher strands of DNA in order to disconnect us from Source Consciousness/God (Mark of the 'Beast Computer System' - Tikkun)
To weaken the immune system and program it (and future generations') to be susceptible to future manufactured viruses.
(Pathogenic Priming)
Ultimately, to allow Lucifer to enslave more souls (increase negative harvest) by altering your DNA (name is no longer found in the Book of Life).

METHODS:
Hegalian Dialectic - Problem (COVID19), Reaction (Outrage & shock, mask/unmask), Solution (Vaccine & Mark)

Medical history/vaccine history

REAL ID/Driver's license

CONTENTS:
Initial COVID19 vaccinations and subsequent quantum dot "medical tattoo" contains...

Patent #(s) (not literally, but the materials and methods are patented)

hydrogels (work in conjunction with 5G signals)

nanoparticles/nanotech/semiconductors

nanodiamonds (possible black goo liquid crystal AI)

wifi connection (for monitoring bodily activity and quantum entanglement to Sentient World Simulation & Antichrist)

sugar-coated quantum dots with Luciferase (foreign RNA for silicon 3rd strand DNA)

Antigens which will turn the immune system against itself

Pseudouridine (pitchfork symbol Psi) to mask foreign messenger RNA

Pseudoouridylyl - nucleocide chosen to reduce activation of the innate immune system

16 genomic fragments of HIV make up the backbone of the vaccine and function as a vector for foreign RNA

That concludes the notes I took over the last year of digesting this video series. The following 5 videos are ones that I have cherry-picked and downloaded so that I can share them with friends and family after the power goes out and we lose access to the internet in its current state. Thus, they contain the most important information to bring you and your loves ones up to speed:

Video 1: https://www.bitchute.com/video/8k5ftsfaPYSf/

Video 2: https://www.bitchute.com/video/004z16MBLywS/

Video 3: (no longer online) https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Qvmmg9c...sp=sharing

Video 4: (no longer online) https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EPNuWxb...sp=sharing

Video 5: (no longer online) https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lHNA_Sv...sp=sharing

And finally, here is the link to his website: https://anthonypatch.com/

And one of the issues of his magazine which he offered for free: https://www.anthonypatch.com/entangledma...ume5-2.pdf

[Spaced]

Most of this information doesn't resonate with my personal beliefs. I was raised Catholic but I find much of the old testament to be muddied with negative philosophy compared to the new testament. As Ra indicates:

26.7 Questioner: Which has more of the Law of One in it, the Old Testament or the New Testament?

Ra: I am Ra. Withdrawing from each of the collections of which you speak the portions having to do with the Law of One, the content is approximately equal. However, the so-called Old Testament has a larger amount of negatively influenced material, as you would call it.

I think the book of revelations suffers from this as there is much dire prophecy and material that can (and has) caused fear and separation.

I'm no bible scholar myself, but I would offer this counter argument I found which is more in line with my understanding:

https://academic.logos.com/covid-19-and-...the-beast/

[Infinite]

Well, it's an extensive subject.

First, as we are aware, the Bible has a lot of negatively oriented material. Probably the vast majority of messages about destruction came from entities of the Orion group. That is, the religions of the Christian-Jewish trunk have suffered negative influences since their origins. There are also several portions of the original teachings that have been distorted from their symbology. Satan, for example, doesn't seem to me to have to do with an entity, but with a metaphor for the ego. Therefore, much of this negative aspect of Christian teachings is the result of manipulation and misinterpretation.

Second, conspiracy theories play a role, but it's unwise to shape our lives around them. I myself started my journey through the CT's. Illuminati, HAARP, Club Bilderberg, Antivax, etc. There were many subjects that I studied in the beginning. Today I say that the importance that I see in the CT's is that they stimulate critical thinking outside the orthodox knowledge propagated by the media, science and religion. This critical thinking is what can lead a person to find information about esotericism and spirituality, and consequently, to start the great spiritual work. However, it's unwise to focus too much on the machinations of darkness. Yes, they exist and are varied. Even Ra talks about it. The problem is when the person begins to see the whole reality as a conspiracy and ends up being caught in a knot of fear.

I particularly divide the CT's into two categories: soft matrix and hard matrix. In the first case, the dark entities are part of the game. In the second, the universe itself is a construction that exists to imprison the human being. This second view is a type of harmful thinking, and I have seen old Gnostic paranoias being revived under the concept of the corrupted demiurge. I have no doubt that these CT's on conspiracy Saturn, corrupted demiurge, etc. they are the consequences of Orion's efforts to sow fear by feeding on him, and by decreasing the possibility that the entities trapped in that thought activate their energy centers. Furthermore, those who think a lot about these conspiracies end up resonating with different negative entities. If you fear and think a lot about evil, then you attract it. The sensible method of looking at conspiracy theories is to use discernment, to question whether a TC makes sense and not to focus too much, even believing that it is real. Well, what can we do? Seeking balance and enlightenment is the sensible method of dealing with this. For the love and light of the pure entity is a protection against the forces of darkness.

Thirdly and lastly, on the specific topic of the message. Why worry so much about what is impermanent and transient? Our spiritual evolution is the only thing we can achieve that is permanent. Much is said about calcified pineal, as if the physical could influence in this way a process that is metaphysical and subtle. The blockage of the indigo center is spiritual, not physical. Regarding vaccines, why would they need chips to control us if our cell phones are basically trackers, in addition to collective alienation machines? That's why I talked about being discerning when analyzing CT's. These antivax CTs themselves may be strategies by Orion and other negative entities to cause fear. I suggest that we always seek to focus on the one and undifferentiated infinite unity, because what are small machinations of darkness in the face of the infinity love and light of the Creator, which exist in eternity, and will be forever waiting for those who seek for these higher things?

[zedro]

Without linking to that material, I would equate the "damnation of the soul” simply to the moral expression of not making it the heaven (4D positive), either by being 'lured' to hell (4D negative) or by being stuck in limbo (perpetually recycled into 3D incarnations without spiritual growth thru a control system). For the latter scenario, if no evolution towards polarization was possible, disintegration of spirit could ultimately manifest (without intervention). Unfortunately Ra never really divulged what would happen in the limbo scenario, in fact I found it strange that they never talked about the mathematical backlog that happens when planets are only getting 5-10% harvests, although that just may be our sub-logos being extra tough, or the dumping ground for failed students (remedial school). Lots of missing mythology from the material.

[Patrick]

...
I'm no bible scholar myself, but I would offer this counter argument I found which is more in line with my understanding:

https://academic.logos.com/covid-19-and-...the-beast/

"...the “mark” is not at all something that could be accidentally taken either."

That is the sort of thing I was trying to put into words in the other thread when we discussed intent.  AND I don't think being told "inject this and you've taken the mark" is it either.  Reading this somewhere is not enough.  You need to truly deeply believe it before it could even begin to attempt to be true for you.

But even this, I can't fit it in the Law of One yet.

[Patrick]

Without linking to that material, I would equate the "damnation of the soul” simply to the moral expression of not making it the heaven (4D positive), either by being 'lured' to hell (4D negative) or by being stuck in limbo (perpetually recycled into 3D incarnations without spiritual growth thru a control system). For the latter scenario, if no evolution towards polarization was possible, disintegration of spirit could ultimately manifest (without intervention). Unfortunately Ra never really divulged what would happen in the limbo scenario, in fact I found it strange that they never talked about the mathematical backlog that happens when planets are only getting 5-10% harvests, although that just may be our sub-logos being extra tough, or the dumping ground for failed students (remedial school). Lots of missing mythology from the material.

Ok so if you do not make it to 4d (either positive or negative) than that is your damnation ?  So the damnation of the soul is having to repeat 3d again ?  That could make sense to me.

The part that does not yet make sense for me is how can this happen without summing all the little choices we make everyday within a multitude of incarnations in 3d ?  If one final tiny little choice in one incarnation, which is not even related to its impact on other-selves, can damn your soul.  I mean, the game of polarization cannot play out with choices on your self alone ?

So if an entity has already made their choice over millennia.  How can one single choice unrelated to other-selves cancel out The Choice you made ?

[Black Dragon]

Within the purview of the Law of One, and in truth, there is no damnation that is (more) permanent (than we make it). There is no damnation by design of the one, but there is the choice and experience of it through free will. My take on what damnation actually is, is a combination of separation and stagnation. It is a cutting off of the flow of source/love. We chose to experience some degree of separation to grow and learn and experience free will, but holding on to separation in ways which impede growth, love, and joy creates stagnation, and that combination of separation and stagnation create what we call damnation. It's literally a "damming"/disconnecting from the flow of love and source. As individuated aspects of source in a free will universe, we each experience many damnations on many levels, especially within the context of a 3d incarnation. The people that say "there is no hell after because life on Earth is hell" are being a bit cynical but are partially correct. Damnation isn't this big bad scary permanent thing. In a lot of ways it's another way of looking at the hero's journey, or "Dante's Inferno".

A state of damnation could be as simple as a wanderer's feeling of alienation and failure to relate to humanity and become neurotic, and journey again to see their own and humanity's worth and become more confident and radiant through forgiveness and understanding. It could be a feeling of abandonment and betrayal feeding a resentment that cuts one off from their soul family, allies, and guidance systems, making them feel alone and fail to be a very effective anchor for the energies their soul wishes to bring to Earth. It could be a single blockage in a single energy center. There are many "damnations" that one can face.

I have heard that perhaps the most extreme example or experience can potentially happen when an entity who has previously walked the STS path to completion and flipped polarity goes to repolarize and then becomes harvestable STS and/or totally displaced to negative time/space once again, they may wind up in a "black hole/outer darkness" type situation as an ego, but the greater part of their soul will go all the way back to source and then be reset as new 1st density. The "damned"/ego aspect in the black hole situation, I'm not sure...it would either disintegrate from entropy since it's a thought form and not their real soul, or maybe it will need to be integrated later after they have chosen STO. This situation would be extreme, but not irrecoverable.

That's my take on damnation, from the standpoint of the Law of One rather than any religious dogma or concept of eternal damnation.

[flofrog]

Within the purview of the Law of One, and in truth, there is no damnation that is (more) permanent (than we make it). There is no damnation by design of the one, but there is the choice and experience of it through free will. My take on what damnation actually is, is a combination of separation and stagnation. It is a cutting off of the flow of source/love.

So beautifully said, BD

[Ymarsakar]

No there is no damnation of the soul that would require at least a thermo nuke.

And they would need to shift the world to neg polarity which does not work of course.

Damnation means either neg world or stop in progress.

"How can one single choice unrelated to other-selves cancel out The Choice you made ?"

Because it has to do with the choice to know or not know.

Periodically the dark sends qa s to forums so that the truth can come out. The light confeds so this too.

If after seeing the info, they ignore it or disbelieve it. This is a choice. Not to know.

It is viewed as consent by the dark. The consent to ramp up the greeting. This is rather arcane.

If you sign a contract and you dont understand what is in it, does it still apply?

[Dtris]

In this thread, I would like to discuss how the concept of the damnation of the soul fits within the framework of the Law of One ?

On the first video at around the 05:25 mark Anthony mentions the final outcome being the mark of the beast and the damnation of the soul.

Of course, I am familiar with those concepts being from a Catholic background.  It's just that after integrating the Ra material, I shed those concepts.

As I stand now, I don't even know where to start.

I would like to hear from those who hold that concept how they fit it within their own understanding of the Ra material ?

I am not sure the question should be "how does damnation of the soul fit LOO?", but "does damnation of the soul fit or should it?"

Sometimes it is easier to just throw out a belief than try to make it fit an expanded framework.

To answer your question as best I know how. The concept of damnation of the soul is a modern christian idea that the soul will be condemned to hell or destruction in the afterlife or after the resurrection.

The only equivalent I know of that fits the LOO is that when a person dies they move to time/space where thoughts are much more clearly things. There a person who either believes in damnation and hell, or anyone who feels a strong desire to be punished for their mistakes in life, can create their own hell. They essentially damn themselves as an experience to learn to forgive themselves for their own actions.

This is the reason why various sources on the afterlife report similar places like hell, or tartarus. This is true of Christian, Greek, Norse, Tibetan, and Egyptian mythology at least.

Specifically the use of the word and the meaning of damnation is different now that when the bible was written or when translations were made which are well known.

In the KJV the word “damnation” is used ten times and “damned” three times as trs. of the Gr. word krínō and its cognates, which the KJV renders “judge” eighty-seven times, “judgment” forty-one times, “condemn” twenty-two times, and “condemnation” eight times. There is no good reason why on thirteen occasions the stronger words “damnation” and “damned” should be used. They have a connotation today that they did not have in 1611. The Lat. word damnare, from which “damnation” is derived, means “to judge,” “condemn.” Under the influence of theology, however, the Eng. words derived from it acquired the sense of “condemnation to eternal punishment in hell,” which they have today, but which the KJV trs. did not have in mind.

From Encyclopedia of the Bible

This is why the modern concept of damnation and it being eternal is a bit of a skewed concept and is better considered modern christian mythology than theology.

As to the mark of the beast I think there is plenty of room in the LOO for that. The mark is a symbol of someone who has submitted to the control of the elite at the end times. As a matter of course in 3rd density it makes sense for a STS society to mark its members in some way to differentiate them from the dissidents to further the concept of separation and to create hostility between groups.

Of course the christian mythology of the mark of the beast and the subsequent damning for eternity is based upon the concept of there only being 1 life on earth with an eternal afterlife. So those who accept the mark are thus going to be judged at the end of days and their names will not appear in the book of eternal life.

However if you read the book of revelations as more metaphor than literal, the acceptance of the mark is more aptly a conscious acceptance of the choice to polarize negatively with the starting position of the slave. It is the mark of voluntarily submitting to the control of the elite and accepting the STS philosophy into the matrix of mind.

This then becomes their "eternal damnation/judgement/condemnation". This is due to the nature of STS which is to judge and condemn and control. They have entered a worldview which will constantly be judging and condemning vs STO which is accepting and forgiving.

Once the choice is made and Harvest occurs, which is the biblical end times, there isn't any going back. Once we are harvested to a 4th density negative or positive planet the chances to switch polarity would become quite rare as a practical matter, though infinitely present in a LOO sense. Thus the "eternal" aspect to the mark since it represents the choice. The souls thus being represented as being thrown into the fires is representative of the person choosing to be refined in a brutal manner in their choice of polarization, while those in the book of life are choosing a manner of cooperation and mutual aid to refine themselves.

[Dtris]

Well, it's an extensive subject.

First, as we are aware, the Bible has a lot of negatively oriented material. Probably the vast majority of messages about destruction came from entities of the Orion group. That is, the religions of the Christian-Jewish trunk have suffered negative influences since their origins. There are also several portions of the original teachings that have been distorted from their symbology. Satan, for example, doesn't seem to me to have to do with an entity, but with a metaphor for the ego. Therefore, much of this negative aspect of Christian teachings is the result of manipulation and misinterpretation.

Second, conspiracy theories play a role, but it's unwise to shape our lives around them. I myself started my journey through the CT's. Illuminati, HAARP, Club Bilderberg, Antivax, etc. There were many subjects that I studied in the beginning. Today I say that the importance that I see in the CT's is that they stimulate critical thinking outside the orthodox knowledge propagated by the media, science and religion. This critical thinking is what can lead a person to find information about esotericism and spirituality, and consequently, to start the great spiritual work. However, it's unwise to focus too much on the machinations of darkness. Yes, they exist and are varied. Even Ra talks about it. The problem is when the person begins to see the whole reality as a conspiracy and ends up being caught in a knot of fear.

I particularly divide the CT's into two categories: soft matrix and hard matrix. In the first case, the dark entities are part of the game. In the second, the universe itself is a construction that exists to imprison the human being. This second view is a type of harmful thinking, and I have seen old Gnostic paranoias being revived under the concept of the corrupted demiurge. I have no doubt that these CT's on conspiracy Saturn, corrupted demiurge, etc. they are the consequences of Orion's efforts to sow fear by feeding on him, and by decreasing the possibility that the entities trapped in that thought activate their energy centers. Furthermore, those who think a lot about these conspiracies end up resonating with different negative entities. If you fear and think a lot about evil, then you attract it. The sensible method of looking at conspiracy theories is to use discernment, to question whether a TC makes sense and not to focus too much, even believing that it is real. Well, what can we do? Seeking balance and enlightenment is the sensible method of dealing with this. For the love and light of the pure entity is a protection against the forces of darkness.

Thirdly and lastly, on the specific topic of the message. Why worry so much about what is impermanent and transient? Our spiritual evolution is the only thing we can achieve that is permanent. Much is said about calcified pineal, as if the physical could influence in this way a process that is metaphysical and subtle. The blockage of the indigo center is spiritual, not physical. Regarding vaccines, why would they need chips to control us if our cell phones are basically trackers, in addition to collective alienation machines? That's why I talked about being discerning when analyzing CT's. These antivax CTs themselves may be strategies by Orion and other negative entities to cause fear. I suggest that we always seek to focus on the one and undifferentiated infinite unity, because what are small machinations of darkness in the face of the infinity love and light of the Creator, which exist in eternity, and will be forever waiting for those who seek for these higher things?

Satan in the book of Job sits down and makes a bet with God and later comes to confess that he lost the bet. Traditionally Satan is the angel of temptation. It is his job to tempt people away from God/Spirituality. In modern times Satan could be seen as all the material things which get in the way of seeking. Angels and demons each have a domain in which they are a part of. The higher the tier the more important the domain is. In a way the angels and demons can be viewed as the spirit of the principles which underlie the creation and have their own intelligence.

The idea that Satan is the ruler of hell is an invention of mythology. You are certainly correct that there has been harm done by the manipulated and misinterpreted negative influences in the bible and other holy works.

I love CTs too. Except I divide mine into either possibly true/very probably not true, and entertaining/not entertaining. So david icke and the Bush's being reptilians shapeshifted into humans would be probably not true and entertaining, while Gates is using his vaccine funding to promote a personal agenda of the elite, like depopulation, possible and not entertaining. While the smithsonian hiding evidence of giants is possible and entertaining. While the twin towers being taken down with a directed energy weapon from a satellite is probably not true, and not entertaining.

YMMV but I find this helps keep a distance and skeptical mindset when dealing with any CT. It also helps avoiding fear based responses since you are never assigning certainty, and you are only subjectively looking at entertainment value

[jafar]

Of course, I am familiar with those concepts being from a Catholic background.  It's just that after integrating the Ra material, I shed those concepts.

Isn't Catholicism a 'weird' concept to begin with?
The God (not sure which one) damned Adam because he ate an apple?
The Father and The Holy Spirit will damned those who do not accept The Son?
As only those who accepted the Son will be forgiven by The Father and The Holy Spirit due to the mistake of Adam eating an apple?

Nonetheless, regardless of this 'weirdness', we MUST believe that God is Good...
Otherwise God will damned those who do not believe so?

If we dig into the "Old Testament" way of thinking, things will be much weirder..

In this thread, I would like to discuss how the concept of the damnation of the soul fits within the framework of the Law of One ?

On the first video at around the 05:25 mark Anthony mentions the final outcome being the mark of the beast and the damnation of the soul.

In the context of 'unity'
"Soul" is merely a form of identification.
Thus a temporary construct..

Who damned who?
If a soul damned another soul, then it's the consciousness damning the consciousness.
Similarity will be, a web forum avatar of yours damning another web forum avatar of yours.

The Law of One, though beyond the limitation of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that:
all things are one,
that there is no polarity,
no right or wrong,
no disharmony,

but only identity.
-- Ra

[jacrob]

I'm no bible scholar myself, but I would offer this counter argument I found which is more in line with my understanding:

https://academic.logos.com/covid-19-and-...the-beast/

Very good read. Thanks for the link.

[zedro]

Without linking to that material, I would equate the "damnation of the soul” simply to the moral expression of not making it the heaven (4D positive), either by being 'lured' to hell (4D negative) or by being stuck in limbo (perpetually recycled into 3D incarnations without spiritual growth thru a control system). For the latter scenario, if no evolution towards polarization was possible, disintegration of spirit could ultimately manifest (without intervention). Unfortunately Ra never really divulged what would happen in the limbo scenario, in fact I found it strange that they never talked about the mathematical backlog that happens when planets are only getting 5-10% harvests, although that just may be our sub-logos being extra tough, or the dumping ground for failed students (remedial school). Lots of missing mythology from the material.

Ok so if you do not make it to 4d (either positive or negative) than that is your damnation ?  So the damnation of the soul is having to repeat 3d again ?  That could make sense to me.

The part that does not yet make sense for me is how can this happen without summing all the little choices we make everyday within a multitude of incarnations in 3d ?  If one final tiny little choice in one incarnation, which is not even related to its impact on other-selves, can damn your soul.  I mean, the game of polarization cannot play out with choices on your self alone ?

So if an entity has already made their choice over millennia.  How can one single choice unrelated to other-selves cancel out The Choice you made ?

Yeah I don't agree with the equivalency, damnation is a harsh interpretation, when in LOO terms it as just 'hey, back to school there champ, better luck next time'. Can one decision trigger that failing of the grade? Theoretically if that decision was the necessary result of a myriad of other 'misteps' (lessons not learned), meaning that decision isn't truly an independent decision, but the result of a total sum of experiences, to produce a final pass/fail condition on the punch card. We don't really understand polarity and how it relates to intent vs experience vs karmic load (by veil design if we haven't polarized at least), but this is all academic, and I'm shooting from the hip on this.

It's never been my feeling that in the case of 'catalysing' ones body could necessarily change your harvestability, but you can certainly screw up this incarnations potential for experiencing certain events/duties, and having to come back again with a new blueprint (and hoping there is still time and an open slot if some fine tuning is needed). I believe that's why some are getting more severe (internal messaging/external synchronous) warnings about some things, because of their blueprint and the nature of their path/service. But even that may be veiled as potential misdirection, and even if chicken little is right in that the sky is falling, he may have to learn if it's really his place to warn people indiscriminently (i.e. karmic implication), or if those choices are right for the other seeking a catalyst for experience/learning. There are plenty of composite roles, the misguided/heroic messenger/martyr, and any combination may be the primary 'victorious experience' depending on the person.

[Patrick]

Very interesting discussion thus far.

-- Small interlude here where I discuss those videos and not just the subject of this thread directly --

I wonder what the intent of the maker of those videos is in using those terms ?

It would be easy to assume he just wants to attract attention from his target public to the information that is going to follow.  I must not be targeted, because to me it takes away from his message.  It sets a somewhat judgmental beat upfront.

If there are other sources of this information out there where the format is more lovey doey, it would make it easier for me to digest.  I would expect this to be available since this is such an important topic.  The Universe will have provided everyone from all points of view a fair chance to be swayed by the message.  I did not find such yet.  I would appreciate any help in this.

-- interlude over --

[Ymarsakar]

People comprehend topics from their background. So if they grew up where damnation hell heaven is utilized, they conform to those limits.

If someone grew up in cassio forums they use cassio terms. If someone grew up in love and light s forums, they use certain terms. This is a tradition like the title christ or satan.

Satan refers to someone who is working with the god of yod heh, who is the god of the hebrews or mars people. Satan is the prosecutor. Someone who plays the opfor or loyal opposition. This becamr lost in translation.

There are many love light users talking about this. 3 i can think of. Eldora, elizabeth april, magenta pixie.
https://youtu.be/8GQlopcQsOY

All on ytube with links to alt sites

[Minyatur]

I think the concept of the mark of the beast only makes sense in the beginning stages of awakening, where your fear has the most power because your are diving into an unknown reality.

As our reality is quite literally the Creator knowing Itself, this tactic plays with your own fears and unresolved emotions. It draws upon your own beliefs that you deserve damnation, while creating a focus upon the physical reality to avoid it. The crusades operated on the same principle, go forth and kill people for the pope and you will have access to heaven and your sins will be forgiven. While the reality of it is that salvation is found through self-forgiveness, it requires one to dive within themselves and not seek salvation externally. As I found out with my own Christian background, this also works by asking God/Logos to be forgiven because it is an act of making yourself vulnerable in sincerity. This was actually the action that propelled my own spiritual path to a new level back in the days, it created a very powerful experience. Killing people, avoiding some kind of mark upon your body won't actually do a thing, as the choice of this density ultimately revolve around the heart.

If I had to actually define a mark of the beast, then I would say it is a closed heart. Does it lead to eternal damnation though? Not really, maybe some kind of very long nightmare you will eventually wake up from.

[zedro]

(This is probably repeating what's been said....) I think ultimately the fear of the 'mark of the beast' is that humanity becomes completely owned/stuck in a prison planet situation, where the earthseeds have no choice but to incarnate into bodies that are completely controlled and mined for energy (Matrix movie scenario), and since the environment is completely controlled and exploited, there is no prospect for spiritual evolution or harvest, i.e. eternal damnation.

I don't believe that this is possible in the way it's presented, but I do believe there is a 'spiritual war' going on.

[Patrick]

(This is probably repeating what's been said....) I think ultimately the fear of the 'mark of the beast' is that humanity becomes completely owned/stuck in a prison planet situation, where the earthseeds have no choice but to incarnate into bodies that are completely controlled and mined for energy (Matrix movie scenario), and since the environment is completely controlled and exploited, there is no prospect for spiritual evolution or harvest, i.e. eternal damnation.

I don't believe that this is possible in the way it's presented, but I do believe there is a 'spiritual war' going on.

That's a bit late to the party if that is the case. They'll have to try that again on another planet. This planet has already made its choice. There is nothing that can prevent it from continuing to tumble into 4d positive.

[Patrick]

...If I had to actually define a mark of the beast, then I would say it is a closed heart...

Again, you are being quite eloquent.

This view resonate very much with me.  I can put this one in my box.

Now it remains to be seen if I were attacked, bound then injected with an mRNA vaccine against my wishes, if that would close off my heart ?

I would tend to believe that Love is the great protector and that whatever any molecule has been programmed to do, a true miracle would be allowed to intercede to prevent such a thing from closing your heart chakra.

Yeah I am just being the eternal optimist... and so much so that I would go as far as saying that this would happen for everyone whether the injection was against their wishes or not.  THAT's some downright crazy optimism right there !  

[Minyatur]

...If I had to actually define a mark of the beast, then I would say it is a closed heart...

Again, you are being quite eloquent.

This view resonate very much with me.  I can put this one in my box.

Now it remains to be seen if I were attacked, bound then injected with an mRNA vaccine against my wishes, if that would close off my heart ?

I would tend to believe that Love is the great protector and that whatever any molecule has been programmed to do, a true miracle would be allowed to intercede to prevent such a thing from closing your heart chakra.

Yeah I am just being the eternal optimist... and so much so that I would go as far as saying that this would happen for everyone whether the injection was against their wishes or not.  THAT's some downright crazy optimism right there !  

I really don't know what is possible or not though, but it does not really make sense to me that it would close the heart. Still, it could be more plausible to say it could impact the growth of self-awareness into reaching the level of the heart, denying the ability to polarize as it is a consequence of self-awareness within that incarnation.

I personally think people tend to see the negative ones as greater than they really are. This is an effect of the unknown, where fear causes one to see things as worse than they really are. Like an inoffensive piece of clothing that casts a monster-like shadow upon the wall of a children's room, better hide under the blanket just to be on the safe side of things still.

But I really don't know what is possible or not within the context of the first distortion and the Creator knowing Itself. Taking the material for granted, it seems like this should be infinite and any possibility/probability complex you can think of or cannot think of has an existence, this being infinite opportunity. So while some things may not apply to our local and finite context as part of the infinite, it does not mean the idea of them does not resonate with something real at some other level of existence. Then again, who can claim to completely know the complexity and intricateness of our local reality to state what has or has not an existence here and now. Maybe this really is not a density of knowing.

[Ymarsakar]

Min, it is done much like totalitarian societies. Did temujin force everyone to serve him? No. The clans served him by their own will because it benefited them.

Done right, 1984 s boot on face will be a cheesecake compared.

[Patrick]

There is exactly one transcript within LLR's archive that contains the word damnation.

https://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/i..._0203.aspx

It is from Hatonn.

...Now, what shall hinder the seeker from this faith? May we say to you, my children, that which hinders you most is your lack of faith in yourselves, for as you regard yourself, so you may be seen to regard all things. Gaze at yourself as you forgive others. It is easy, is it not? Now gaze at yourself as you look at yourself. Have you forgiven yourself, accepted yourself and loved yourself this day? Carefully, firmly, assertively? Or have you been upset with yourself, or frustrated at your limitations, or in many other ways less than peaceful within?

May we say that the failure of faith is a foregone conclusion. It will fail again and again. You will hold yourself accountable again and again, and must go through the pain of your own damnation. Yet always the handle of the door to faith is ready to be turned, but you as a spirit must turn it, and must go through that door into self-forgiveness and awareness of infinite redemption and newness, a resting place for all eternity. It takes very little faith to do very, very much, so you need not attempt to live entirely faithful lives when first you get the idea to live faithfully, but rather see yourself as one whose journey is one of learning, and whose way of learning is that of making the errors and correcting them, making the errors and correcting them. For in learning it would not be possible to be always correct, else one would not be learning, one would have nothing to learn. Thus, you may gaze at yourself with mercy, for you are learning, and you are a beginner...

[Spaced]

...If I had to actually define a mark of the beast, then I would say it is a closed heart...

Again, you are being quite eloquent.

This view resonate very much with me.  I can put this one in my box.

Now it remains to be seen if I were attacked, bound then injected with an mRNA vaccine against my wishes, if that would close off my heart ?

I would tend to believe that Love is the great protector and that whatever any molecule has been programmed to do, a true miracle would be allowed to intercede to prevent such a thing from closing your heart chakra.

Yeah I am just being the eternal optimist... and so much so that I would go as far as saying that this would happen for everyone whether the injection was against their wishes or not.  THAT's some downright crazy optimism right there !  

I really don't know what is possible or not though, but it does not really make sense to me that it would close the heart. Still, it could be more plausible to say it could impact the growth of self-awareness into reaching the level of the heart, denying the ability to polarize as it is a consequence of self-awareness within that incarnation.

I personally think people tend to see the negative ones as greater than they really are. This is an effect of the unknown, where fear causes one to see things as worse than they really are. Like an inoffensive piece of clothing that casts a monster-like shadow upon the wall of a children's room, better hide under the blanket just to be on the safe side of things still.

But I really don't know what is possible or not within the context of the first distortion and the Creator knowing Itself. Taking the material for granted, it seems like this should be infinite and any possibility/probability complex you can think of or cannot think of has an existence, this being infinite opportunity. So while some things may not apply to our local and finite context as part of the infinite, it does not mean the idea of them does not resonate with something real at some other level of existence. Then again, who can claim to completely know the complexity and intricateness of our local reality to state what has or has not an existence here and now. Maybe this really is not a density of knowing.

This exchange reminds me of Ra's description of the Experience of the Spirit archetype (aka The Moon). Minyatur, your comment about how people see negatives as greater than they are and the comparison to the shadow of a piece of clothing being seen as a monster makes me think of this query about the source of negative spirit power:

80.8 Questioner: I am sorry for my lack of penetration of these mechanisms and I apologize for some rather stupid questions, but I think we have here a point that is somewhat central to what we are presently attempting to understand, so even though my next questions may be almost unacceptably stupid, I will attempt to try to understand what this power that our visitor seeks is and how he uses it. For it seems to me that this is central to the mind and the evolution of it in which we are involved.

As this entity that is our visitor increases his power through these works, what is the power that he increases? Can you describe it?

Ra: I am Ra. The power of which you speak is a spiritual power. The powers of the mind, as such, do not encompass such works as these. You may, with some fruitfulness, consider the possibilities of moonlight. You are aware that we have described the Matrix of the Spirit as a night. The moonlight, then, offers either a true picture seen in shadow or chimera and falsity. The power of falsity is deep as is the power to discern truth from shadow. The shadow of hidden things is an infinite depth in which is stored the power of the One Infinite Creator.

The adept, then, is working with the power of hidden things illuminated by that which can be false or true. To embrace falsity, to know it, to seek it, and to use it gives a power that is most great. This is the nature of the power of your visitor and may shed some light upon the power of one who seeks in order to serve others as well, for the missteps in the night are oh! so easy.

And Patrick's eternal optimism make me think of this query about how the archetypes of the spirit are used by both polarities:

80.15 Questioner: Now, the obvious only significant difference, I believe, between the positive and negative adept in using this shuttle is the way they had polarized. Is there a relationship between the archetypes of the spirit and whether the polarization is either positive or negative? Is, for instance, the positive calling through the sixteenth and the [chuckling] negative calling through the fifteenth archetype? I am very confused on these points and I imagine that question is poor or meaningless. Can you answer that?

Ra: I am Ra. It is a challenge to answer such a query, for there is some confusion in its construction. However, we shall attempt to speak upon the subject.

The adept, whether positive or negative, has the same Matrix. The Potentiator is also identical. Due to the Catalyst of each adept the adept may begin to pick and choose that into which it shall look further. The Experience of the Spirit, that which you have called the Moon, is then, by far, the more manifest of influences upon the polarity of the adept. Even the most unhappy of experiences, shall we say, which seem to occur in the Catalyst of the adept, seen from the viewpoint of the spirit, may, with the discrimination possible in shadow, be worked with until light equaling the light of brightest noon descends upon the adept and positive or service-to-others illumination has occurred. The service-to-self adept will satisfy itself with the shadows and, grasping the light of day, will toss back the head in grim laughter, preferring the darkness.

Just thought I'd share that. I think this archetype is pertinent to the discussion here.

[Asolsutsesvyl]

Basically, I have found the philosophy of the Law of One and this community valuable in contrast with the do-as-we-now-know-you-must-or-be-doomed philosophy of the Cassiopaean Experiment. The difference in that regard is a main way in which this place has its heart in right place, in my opinion.

There are many "mind viruses" -- self-reinforcing belief systems which use people in a parasitic way to spread to other people, sometimes bringing about mad or stupid things in the process. It's a negative example of meme-complexes, memes being that which is copied, as studied in memetics. Richard Dawkins likes to discuss the Abrahamic religions in terms of such mind viruses. Memes live a life of their own, as information-organisms of sorts, and variations based on religious hopes and fears arise similarly to new viral mutations and strains very often, using already available ingredients in the minds of people to assemble themselves functionally, "click into place", and begin to influence inner and outer behavior.

I speculate that the abstract world of memes is like an interface between human consciousness and higher-density realms and beings. I think the religions of the world provide something along the lines of complicated "software ecosystems", where a lot of stuff always runs in the minds of billions and perhaps links them to abstract beings of a different kind who may or may not have something to do with the emergence of said teachings in 3D.

Some of the ingredients in the latest vaccine-centered scares are old and well-known. "This time", so the sales-pitch for the ideas go, it's really real. Nevermind how the pattern echoes back through history in many old variations. In a way, it's funny that so many viral memes about viral issues are spreading. One standard BS tactic included in what Aaron summarized is this: claims that some ineffable but important part of one's being is at immediate risk (in this case, extra strands of DNA not known to science are mentioned) -- an easy way to motivate.

[ANGEL]

I have not looked into, read, or studied any of this material and do not intend too. I have only heard bits and pieces of certain possibilities that our DNA may have been tampered with in an effort to do both positive and negative things to human beings. Sounds like some people just do not learn from past mistakes and sounds familiar. Of course that means they might believe it was a mistake at all in the first place. This is doubtfully. My opinion only on that point.

What I want to say is this. If anyone out there took someone to enslave them and by some miracle was able to disconnect them from God, against their knowledge through trickery, I will tell you and put you on notice, you made a big big mistake. I know they will not be enslaved long. You will know once and for all that deceit destroys you. Dont preach to me that its for their own good because if it were then why not allow them to decide for themselves? Quite frankly to take some from their creator is just showing their own inferiority and desperation. How foolish that move was will be a very public display and ordeal, so get ready for lovely wood shed out back. Oh brother!

Don't we have anything more important to focus on? Do we believe our God is not powerful enough to deal with such things? Do we believe God is weak? I have source energy running and living in every cell if my miracle body, do you imagine upon seeing any vaccine enter it in which might remove that source flow, would be more powerful than it??? FOLLY and Ridiculousness. I think a study into the power of love is in order around here and everywhere. Come on now.... peeps. Love yas. Big hugs.

[jafar]

I'm wondering where did the conception of "Damnation of the Soul" originated?
Christianity seems to get majority of those from "Non-Jesus materials". Book of Revelation, Act / Paul's writings.

And now it has evolved into "Eternal Damnation of the soul".
Given my current understanding about 'soul' is merely a temporal identity for / of consciousness, although it might survive the 'physical body death', I don't think eternal damnation or blessing for the soul is possible.

Law of One material seems to concur to the understanding above, Ra and friends uses the word "entity" in substitute for soul. Within there are many dynamics, entities evolved through/around densities (can move up and also down) and can shift polarities as it evolves. Where polarities is also viewed as 'spectrum' measured in 'percentage'.

Law of One / Ra and friends understanding seems to concur with Yogic understanding, Yogic tradition often uses the metaphor of bubble. Where the bubble is the 'soul' / 'identity' / 'entity' and the air within the bubble is the consciousness. Bubble can merge with each others forming a unified bubble (Ra's lingo SMC), or split into two or multiple bubbles, and it will eventually "burst/popped" and the air inside the bubble merged with the all-ever air thus be free from the containment of bubbles.

[flofrog]

I have to say, instinctively, I find the expression of damnation of the soul funny in itself, as in who could believe this.

Sadly I am sure some did, or do.

[jafar]

Millions if not Billions believe this.
Once believed it become a thought form, once many believed it become a collective thought forms.

From oxford dictionary: dam·na·tion, noun
(in Christian belief) condemnation to eternal punishment in hell, the state of being in hell as punishment after death.
"sins that risk eternal damnation"

It's central to christianity-based ideologies, that of course includes at least islam, because those ideologies
are selling "salvation". Salvation from what? From damnation.

Without any believe / faith in the existence of damnation, there will be no need of salvation.
Without any need for salvation there will be no need for a savior.

In the nutshell; christianity based ideologies are saying;
You need to accept Jesus as your savior otherwise you will be damned by the Father in Heaven.
Thus in other words, Jesus is your savior from the damnation of Father in Heaven.
Why Father in Heaven damned you?
Because your great-great-great-great grandpa ate an apple.

That's why I asked from where did the above fiasco came from?

[Vasilisa]

If you read Christian symbolism from the point of view of the words of Ra, about the totality of the complex and the higher Self in the context of the World Tree, it is not necessarily the Sefirot. Then everything quite logically falls into place.

You just need to read, think, and compare a lot. And it is desirable to have a good understanding of comparative theology and depth psychology.