The most mysterious phrase of the Ra contact

[cheikspear]

Hi everybody,

In 5.2, Ra expessed this sentence: "The simplest example of this is the understanding that each biological male is female; each biological female is male."

Could someone explain me the deep meaning of this sentence?

[Margan]

From that same session:

"The polarity of your dimension must be internalized. Where you find patience within your mind you must consciously find the corresponding impatience and vice versa. Each thought that a being has, has in its turn an antithesis. The disciplines of the mind involve, first of all, identifying both those things of which you approve and those things of which you disapprove within yourself, and then balancing each and every positive and negative charge with its equal. The mind contains all things. Therefore, you must discover this completeness within yourself."

I think Ra refers to the balancing of the opposites. Yin - yang, in other words - we all contain within ourselves both aspects. Each male has female aspects, and each female also male aspects.
I find it fascinating, how it often shows physically as people age - some older women develop beards and may even lose their hair and older men tend to get breasts

[Sena]

Hi everybody,

In 5.2, Ra expessed this sentence: "The simplest example of this is the understanding that each biological male is female; each biological female is male."

Could someone explain me the deep meaning of this sentence?

cheikspear, welcome to the forum, and thanks for the interesting question. I think scientists would agree that all humans are bisexual, and the difference between male and female is a difference of degree.
The following is another quote from Ra which may help to clarify:

31.7 Questioner: Thank you. In the material earlier you mentioned “magnetic attraction.” Could you define and expand upon that term?

Ra: I am Ra. We used the term to indicate that in your bisexual natures there is that which is of polarity. This polarity may be seen to be variable according to the, shall we say, male/female polarization of each entity, be each entity biologically male or female. Thus you may see the magnetism when two entities with the appropriate balance, male/female versus female/male polarity, meeting and thus feeling the attraction which polarized forces will exert, one upon the other.
This is the strength of the bisexual mechanism. It does not take an act of will to decide to feel attraction for one who is oppositely polarized sexually. It will occur in an inevitable sense giving the free flow of energy a proper, shall we say, avenue. This avenue may be blocked by some distortion towards a belief/condition which states to the entity that this attraction is not desired. However, the basic mechanism functions as simply as would, shall we say, the magnet and the iron.

[Dtris]

In Kaballah there are three pillars on the Tree of Life. The Pillar of Severity, the Pillar of Mercy, and the Middle Pillar. The pillar of Mercy is male and the Pillar of Severity is Female. Similarly in Kaballah the male is seen as being spiritually feminine, and female is spiritually masculine.

The easiest way perhaps to understand this is that each person has a physical polarity, and a inward non-physical polarity.

The Yang polarity is magnetically positive. It is one which is giving, it expresses energy, projects energy, and is outwardly expressive.

The Yin polarity is magnetically negative. It is one which is accepting, absorbing, it takes in energy, and is inwardly expressive.

Yang energy is called Male because it is the energy of the male physical body, Yin energy is called female because it is the energy of the female physical body. This same energy is present in each sex in the opposite within the inward configuration.

[Anders]

Ra talks about a form of mirroring in 5.2: "The third discipline of the mind is a repetition of the first but with the gaze outward towards the fellow entities that it meets. In each entity there exists completeness. Thus, the ability to understand each balance is necessary. When you view patience, you are responsible for mirroring in your mental understanding, patience/impatience."

One guess I have is that when a man looks at a female body it's his own male mind that mirrors the female body, and vice versa when a woman looks at a male body. And homosexual people then have a female mind in a male body or a male mind in a female body.

[cheikspear]

Nothing here

[cheikspear]

Many thanks Margan, Sena, Dtris, Anders, for your answers.
I would make the same answer for you four.

If I spoke of the "most mysterious" phrase of the Ra contact, it is because it seems to me that it goes beyond these notions of "inner polarity" well known today to seekers of truth. Jung spoke of the anima and the animus, with the process of individuation (inner balancing of the two poles), Rudolf Steiner the Anthroposopher said that the soul of man is feminine (and vice versa), and all spiritually evolved writers have always advanced theories on this subject, which seem to be able to be summed up by the symbol of ying and yang.

And when Ra says, too, that our polar dimension must be internalized, that each thought (of positive or negative charge) must be balanced by its "opposite equal", etc ..., let us note that he speaks here of the "mind" , as a fundamental part of the mind / body / spirit (MBS) complex. He speaks of the mind as Jung spoke of the mind, and as Steiner spoke of the mind (the soul for him). This is a well balanced "inner" polarity.

Whereas in this sentence (unless it was distorted by the interpreters, which would still surprise me a lot), it is very different. Ra speaks explicitly of each "biological" male and female, and therefore of a "physical" sex perfectly identified at birth, even if this biological sex is the result of a balancing of opposites "before" birth.

How should we understand this each "biological" male and female? Does he mean here only their gendered "body" or their MBS space-time complex?

Let us specify here all the same that, even when the interior polarity is balanced, the fact remains that it is the biological polarity which "decides" on the assignment to individuals of the "sexual" concepts of male and female. This implies, for all the authors cited, that even if there are different possibilities of balance of opposites (of the conscious and the unconscious) for each individual, it is the biological sex which "speaks last" to decide of the assignment to a sex.

So for example, it is an unconscious female mind (the potentialisator of the mind? the anima?) that will characterize the male, and an unconscious male mind that will characterize the female! Although for her, while I can speak easily of animus, I have the greatest difficulty in assigning to her a mind matrix (male character) to her male unconscious.

Now back to Ra. He does not say in this sentence that the body of each biological female has a counterpart in her male mind, and vice versa, etc. He speaks here of the sexual biological body as "the last (and first) decision maker of sex" , which constitutes its "Global Gender Identity" so to speak, and a priori, if I am correct, as a MBS complex.

And this is where the whole mystery of this sentence lies!

Where have we ever seen that we have a strict "biological" opposite, in the sense of a global gender identity?

Could it then be that, in "time-space", our Global Gender Identity as MBS, would be the opposite of space-time?

[tadeus]

Hi everybody,

In 5.2, Ra expessed this sentence: "The simplest example of this is the understanding that each biological male is female; each biological female is male."

Could someone explain me the deep meaning of this sentence?

The deep meaning of the sentence is that all polarities are only different sides of the same thing.

Maybe the Hermetic Principles will give you an additional idea of this correspondence:

2. The principle of correspondence
"As above, so below; as below, so above.” [...] This principle embodies the truth that there is always a correspondence between the laws and phenomena of the various planes of being and life.

4. The principle of polarity
"Everything is dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled."

7. The principle of gender
"Gender is in everything; everything has its masculine and feminine principles; gender manifests on all planes."

[cheikspear]

Many thanks Tadeus for The Kybalion.

Very interesting indeed, and I did not know him, although I do know a lot about ancient Egypt.

But, what motivates me above all is to constantly confront these great principles of alchemical nature with our daily reality.

It is indeed by this means that I can determine or not their "operationality" and the relevance of their concepts in our world "here and now".
And this even by including in this space-time world all the realities of time-space.

Hence, taking up The Kybalion, and notably the "principle of gender", this question which has become very topical:

If the mind / body / spirit of space-time has a correspondent in time-space, as Ra has asserted to us, is it also, this correspondent, of opposite gender?

You will agree with me that this question, while very similar, is much more subtle than the anima / animus of Jung, who never wanted to acknowledge (publicly anyway) the existence of reincarnation.

It would thus suppose that the anima / animus, in a completely renewed comprehension of these concepts in the diciplines of the unconscious, woud be, through the roots of the mental tree, the direct relay, in our unconscious of space-time, of our conscious of time-space.

Etc., etc.

[Dtris]

Many thanks Margan, Sena, Dtris, Anders, for your answers.
I would make the same answer for you four.

If I spoke of the "most mysterious" phrase of the Ra contact, it is because it seems to me that it goes beyond these notions of "inner polarity" well known today to seekers of truth. Jung spoke of the anima and the animus, with the process of individuation (inner balancing of the two poles), Rudolf Steiner the Anthroposopher said that the soul of man is feminine (and vice versa), and all spiritually evolved writers have always advanced theories on this subject, which seem to be able to be summed up by the symbol of ying and yang.

And when Ra says, too, that our polar dimension must be internalized, that each thought (of positive or negative charge) must be balanced by its "opposite equal", etc ..., let us note that he speaks here of the "mind" , as a fundamental part of the mind / body / spirit (MBS) complex. He speaks of the mind as Jung spoke of the mind, and as Steiner spoke of the mind (the soul for him). This is a well balanced "inner" polarity.

Whereas in this sentence (unless it was distorted by the interpreters, which would still surprise me a lot), it is very different. Ra speaks explicitly of each "biological" male and female, and therefore of a "physical" sex perfectly identified at birth, even if this biological sex is the result of a balancing of opposites "before" birth.

How should we understand this each "biological" male and female? Does he mean here only their gendered "body" or their MBS space-time complex?

Let us specify here all the same that, even when the interior polarity is balanced, the fact remains that it is the biological polarity which "decides" on the assignment to individuals of the "sexual" concepts of male and female. This implies, for all the authors cited, that even if there are different possibilities of balance of opposites (of the conscious and the unconscious) for each individual, it is the biological sex which "speaks last" to decide of the assignment to a sex.

So for example, it is an unconscious female mind (the potentialisator of the mind? the anima?) that will characterize the male, and an unconscious male mind that will characterize the female! Although for her, while I can speak easily of animus, I have the greatest difficulty in assigning to her a mind matrix (male character) to her male unconscious.

Now back to Ra. He does not say in this sentence that the body of each biological female has a counterpart in her male mind, and vice versa, etc. He speaks here of the sexual biological body as "the last (and first) decision maker of sex" , which constitutes its "Global Gender Identity" so to speak, and a priori, if I am correct, as a MBS complex.

And this is where the whole mystery of this sentence lies!

Where have we ever seen that we have a strict "biological" opposite, in the sense of a global gender identity?

Could it then be that, in "time-space", our Global Gender Identity as MBS, would be the opposite of space-time?

TLDR.

I am just going to state this for the record and posterity. Anyone who comes into a forum on any subject, and pretends to be asking a question only to get some answers so they can preach to everyone else about how everyone else was wrong and THIS is the right answer, is not a acting in good faith and I will personally ignore your posts henceforth.

That is not appropriate behavior for a discussion forum and it stiffles actual conversation since people will be reluctant to respond to new posters questions because no one likes "WeLl AkTuallEE".

You are the second person to do this recently and I am sure there will be more. Welcome to the forum.

[tadeus]

But, what motivates me above all is to constantly confront these great principles of alchemical nature with our daily reality.

...

If the mind / body / spirit of space-time has a correspondent in time-space, as Ra has asserted to us, is it also, this correspondent, of opposite gender?

You will agree with me that this question, while very similar, is much more subtle than the anima / animus of Jung, who never wanted to acknowledge (publicly anyway) the existence of reincarnation.

Yes - this 3 principles are indeed not easy to retrieve in our daily reality.
Specially that this principles are all working together although they seem not to fit together.

But i can tell you that it is possible to find and see them again and again in our daily reality.
That's the reason i must think on them and have written more then one time about them.
The nice thing is that there are only this 7 simple principles and an forgotten 8 principle - the principle of care.

The 7. principle of gender is really hard to understand - i am still working on it for myself.
Here is some additional text for it, but it does not really clearify:

This principle contains the truth that in everything gender is revealed, that the male and female principles are always active.
This applies not only to the physical plan, but also to the mental and even to the spiritual plans.
On the physical plan the principle expresses itself as "sex," sexuality; on the higher plans it takes higher forms, but the principle always remains the same.
No creation, whether physical, mental or spiritual, is possible without this principle.

The understanding of its laws will illuminate many a fact which has baffled the human mind.
The principle always works in the direction of procreation, new formation and creation.
All things, all persons contain within themselves the two elements or principles, i.e. this great principle. Every male being also contains the female element; every female being also contains the male principle.
If you want to understand the philosophy of mental and spiritual creation, procreation and re-creation, you must understand and study this Hermetic Principle.
It contains the solution to many riddles of life.

We warn you: this principle has no relation whatsoever to the numerous mean, pernicious and degrading lustful theories, doctrines and practices taught under fanciful names, which are a profanation of this great principle of nature.
Such mean revival of the old infamous forms of phallicism corrupts mind, body and soul.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

[tadeus]

TLDR.

I am just going to state this for the record and posterity. Anyone who comes into a forum on any subject, and pretends to be asking a question only to get some answers so they can preach to everyone else about how everyone else was wrong and THIS is the right answer, is not a acting in good faith and I will personally ignore your posts henceforth.

I had to gurgle for TLDR to understand what you are writing about.  

Yes - there are often long postings or quotations here.

Take that which is helpful, leave behind that which is not.

I would say it is like the channelings - read them when you will profit of it, or let it, if they are not helpful.
Many people are writing about their feelings and problems to understand complex things.
That's normal.

[cheikspear]

Yes - this 3 principles are indeed not easy to retrieve in our daily reality.
Specially that this principles are all working together although they seem not to fit together.
Etc...

Thank tadeus,

I like these new quotes, they are full of meaning ...

... even if I did not find an answer to the question that I wanted to share here, and which, between us, was not a "trap", as some might believe.

It only needed, and still needs, a very precise answer, because it herself is very precise.
All the more so since its stake seems to me to be quite fundamental, because it could change our vision of the spiritual world, in its relations with the material world,
not to mention what concerns the 4th density!

[tadeus]

like these new quotes, they are full of meaning ...
... even if I don't yet find the answer to my very precise question!

Please let me know when you have found the answer.

Specially the difference between the hermetic principle 4 and 7 ?

One funny example - will there be a male or female computer mouse?
Or what is the male or female part of it?

A real example could be the question why the sun is female and the moon male?
Following the spiritual explanations of Rudolf Steiner, the sun is the part that is giving live (mother) and the moon is the residual cinders of the old moon, the third re-embodiment of our planetary system (father).

[cheikspear]

You know, I think you just have to follow the thread of this conversation to know the answer.
Because indeed, it cannot be I who give the answer (to such an important question), but only the collective, without giving it any precise limit.

As long as there is no longer any direct contact with the Social Memory Complex named Ra to answer the question, it is indeed a bit like in scientific research, collective opinion is forged through a long debate.

On the other hand, I could give "leads" to shed light on the debate, and bring out the meaning of the question.
It is often said that a well-asked question opens the way for its answer.

[tadeus]

You know, I think you just have to follow the thread of this conversation to know the answer.
Because indeed, it cannot be I who give the answer (to such an important question), but only the collective, without giving it any precise limit.

Of course it is possible to evaluate the answer, but why you will not give your interpretation?

When you are maybe to coward to dare an answer, i will follow your example.

[cheikspear]

Of course it is possible to evaluate the answer, but why you will not give your interpretation?
When you are maybe to coward to dare an answer, i will follow your example.  

Oh no, this is not a question of cowardice, because if you read correctly, I have already given clues for the answer. But maybe (I am French) I am expressing myself badly!

The problem is that I'm looking for a definite answer, otherwise it becomes speculation, and in this so fundamental area of the polar relations between the conscious and the unconscious, between the material and the spiritual, it would only add confusion to the confusion that has been around for centuries.

It is the whole interest of the Ra contact that to give us certain answers and not speculations, and so a correct image of the universal "reality" which thus allows us to move forward, notably by dissolving the confusion in which we are bathed.

But I will however give another lead regarding the "possible" answer.
Take the traditional image  of yin-yang, and call the "yin" the (semi circular) white drop, and the "yang" the (semi circular) black drop.
(I'm sorry, but I can't find here the means to insert a direct picture from my computer).

So in the white and black drops, which we could call the female and the male conscious mind, we already have, with the small black circle, which we could call the male unconscious (or animus, according to Jung), and the small white circle which we could call the female unconscious (or anima according to Jung), this polar answer that many have already advanced in this topic, that is to say an image of the classic 3rd density polar couple.

Now let's take a "quantum" leap, and imagine that, for the same mind / body / spirit complex (the same individual), the white drop represents the time-space (of 3rd density), and the black drop represents the space-time (of 3rd density).

We would then have a completely new "meta-concept", according to which the semi white drop would be our time-space consciousness, which would continuously irrigate our space-time unconscious, and "vice versa".

And for which our time-space consciousness would be of "opposite polarity" to our space-time consciousness.

Which would therefore be a "possible" answer to this mysterious sentence of Ra: "each biological male is female; each biological female is male", in the sense that, the biological male (as mind / body / spirit complex in the space-time) would be (always as mind / body / spirit complex) "female in the time-space"; and so on.

Which, while verifying traditional concepts of anima and animus, would represent (It is only a "hypothesis") a quantum leap from Jungian analytical psychology, and a new enlightment of the Law of One.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

Of course it is possible to evaluate the answer, but why you will not give your interpretation?
When you are maybe to coward to dare an answer, i will follow your example.  

Oh no, this is not a question of cowardice, because if you read correctly, I have already given clues for the answer. But maybe (I am French) I am expressing myself badly!

The problem is that I'm looking for a definite answer, otherwise it becomes speculation, and in this so fundamental area of the polar relations between the conscious and the unconscious, between the material and the spiritual, it would only add confusion to the confusion that has been around for centuries.

It is the whole interest of the Ra contact that to give us certain answers and not speculations, and so a correct image of the universal "reality" which thus allows us to move forward, notably by dissolving the confusion in which we are bathed.

But I will however give another lead regarding the "possible" answer.
Take the traditional image  of yin-yang, and call the "yin" the white drop, and the "yang" the black drop.

So in the white and black drops, which we could call the female and the male conscious mind, we already have, with the small black circle, which we could call the male unconscious (or animus, according to Jung), and the small white circle which we could call the female unconscious (or anima according to Jung), this polar answer that many have already advanced in this topic, that is to say an image of the classic 3rd density polar couple.

Now let's take a "quantum" leap, and imagine that, for the same mind / body / spirit complex (the same individual), the white drop represents the time-space (of 3rd density), and the black drop represents the space-time (of 3rd density).

We would then have a completely new "meta-concept", according to which the white drop would be our time-space consciousness, which would continuously irrigate our space-time unconscious, and "vice versa".

And for which our time-space consciousness would be of "opposite polarity" to our space-time consciousness.

Which would therefore be a "possible" answer to this mysterious sentence of Ra: "each biological male is female; each biological female is male", in the sense that, the biological male (as mind / body / spirit complex in the space-time) would be female (always as mind / body / spirit complex, but in the "time-space"), and so on.

Which, while verifying traditional concepts of anima and animus, would represent (It is only a "hypothesis") a quantum leap from Jungian analytical psychology, and a new enlightment of the Law of One.

Our time/space HS is in the density of unity where polarity has been reconciled including the reconciliation of the principle of gender. I do not know what you are driving at here. You want to make a point that I am male in 6th density? Ok. Then I am.
I am always and have ever been both in no doubt equal parts. Even though a female sits and types this I have male chemistry. I am not sure outside of that what more we could explore? Help me out here.

[cheikspear]

Our time/space HS is in the density of unity where polarity has been reconciled including the reconciliation of the principle of gender. I do not know what you are driving at here. You want to make a point that I am male in 6th density? Ok. Then I am.
I am always and have ever been both in no doubt equal parts. Even though a female sits and types this I have male chemistry. I am not sure outside of that what more we could explore? Help me out here.

Hi Ohr Ein Sof,
First of all I didn't really understand if, "biologically" speaking, you are a man or a woman, so I am having some difficulties understanding the whole logic of your message.
By the way, I don't know what "HS" means.
Then, I never spoke of 6th density, nor even of 5th or 4th in my various posts of this topic. I have always stayed in 3rd density, including time-space. As Ra said, especially for the 3rd density, it is based on the space-time / time-space polarity, this because of (or thanks to) the electromagnetic polarization of our planet. It is this polarity which founds the cycle of incarnations.

So that, in my "hypothesis" of explanation of the mysterious phrase of Ra, our polar double of the other gender, would be only our mind / body / spirit complex in the time-space of the 3rd density.

I have no pretension to speculate on densities higher than ours, this one is already quite complex enough.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

Our time/space HS is in the density of unity where polarity has been reconciled including the reconciliation of the principle of gender. I do not know what you are driving at here. You want to make a point that I am male in 6th density? Ok. Then I am.
I am always and have ever been both in no doubt equal parts. Even though a female sits and types this I have male chemistry. I am not sure outside of that what more we could explore? Help me out here.

Hi Ohr Ein Sof,
First of all I didn't really understand if, "biologically" speaking, you are a man or a woman, so I am having some difficulties understanding the whole logic of your message.
By the way, I don't know what "HS" means.
Then, I never spoke of 6th density, nor even of 5th or 4th in my various posts of this topic. I have always stayed in 3rd density, including time-space. As Ra said, especially for the 3rd density, it is based on the space-time / time-space polarity, this because of (or thanks to) the electromagnetic polarization of our planet. It is this polarity which founds the cycle of incarnations.

So that, in my "hypothesis" of explanation of the mysterious phrase of Ra, our polar double of the other gender, would be only our mind / body / spirit complex in the time-space of the 3rd density.

I have no pretension to speculate on densities higher than ours, this one is already quite complex enough.

Thanks for helping me to understand and I am not even certain if I can truly add to this or not.
Third density is space/time and the only way we can enter into time/space here is in meditation or connecting to the infinite timeless state also called the 'now'.
Within each, whether it be 1st, 2nd or 3rd life is both male and female or the Feminine principle and the Masculine principle. This is nature and the true nature of Creation.
You can see this everywhere here on earth and in space but especially in biology (this is the easiest way to view these principles) as you may have already ascertained. And this is what I was speaking of when I said that I am female but within this female biology is the masculine chemistry and biology (ie; estrogen/progesterone, left arm/right arm and so forth). And you can witness this principle being played out within our solar system sun/masculine, moon feminine, etc. Again, I think you already know this as you seem to understand.

Sixth density, of course we do not understand completely but Ra given us tiny glimpses into the basic mechanisms of the 6th density, the density of Unity. Where our Higher Self resides (HS, I am sorry for writing this in the beginning lol). There are additional writings that speak of harmonizing the polarities.
So, third density IS space/time. To my knowledge there is no 3rd density time/space. There is another 'you' that resides in 6th density time/space called your higher self but even still contains both the female and male principles because it is still within creation as nothing can be outside of it.

[cheikspear]

Thanks for helping me to understand and I am not even certain if I can truly add to this or not.
Third density is space/time and the only way we can enter into time/space here is in meditation or connecting to the infinite timeless state also called the 'now'.
Within each, whether it be 1st, 2nd or 3rd life is both male and female or the Feminine principle and the Masculine principle. This is nature and the true nature of Creation.
You can see this everywhere here on earth and in space but especially in biology (this is the easiest way to view these principles) as you may have already ascertained. And this is what I was speaking of when I said that I am female but within this female biology is the masculine chemistry and biology (ie; estrogen/progesterone, left arm/right arm and so forth). And you can witness this principle being played out within our solar system sun/masculine, moon feminine, etc. Again, I think you already know this as you seem to understand.

Sixth density, of course we do not understand completely but Ra given us tiny glimpses into the basic mechanisms of the 6th density, the density of Unity. Where our Higher Self resides (HS, I am sorry for writing this in the beginning lol). There are additional writings that speak of harmonizing the polarities.
So, third density IS space/time. To my knowledge there is no 3rd density time/space. There is another 'you' that resides in 6th density time/space called your higher self but even still contains both the female and male principles because it is still within creation as nothing can be outside of it.

Many thanks for your answer.

I could see that there was a problem somewhere, with the issue of 3rd density time-space. But I am not very surprised, because I did not find explicit topics on this subject, although I did not look everywhere.

This is however very clear to Ra:

"29.13 : I am Ra. The Logos creates all densities. Your question was unclear. However, we shall state the Logos does create both the space/time densities and the accompanying time/space densities.

71.6 Q : As an entity goes through the death process in third density and finds itself in time/space, it finds itself in a different set of circumstances. Would you please describe the properties or circumstances of time/space and then the process of healing of incarnative experiences that some entities encounter?

I am Ra. Although this query is difficult to answer adequately due to the limitations of your space/time sound vibration complexes, we shall respond to the best of our ability. The hallmark of time/space is the inequity between time and space. In your space/time the spatial orientation of material causes a tangible framework for illusion. In time/space the inequity is upon the shoulders of that property known to you as time. This property renders entities and experiences intangible in a relative sense. In your framework each particle, or core vibration, moves at a velocity which approaches what you call the speed of light from the direction of supraluminal velocities.

Thus the time/space, or metaphysical, experience is that which is very finely tuned and, although an analog of space/time, lacking in its tangible characteristics. In these metaphysical planes there is a great deal of what you call time which is used to review and re-review the biases and learn/teachings of a prior, as you would call it, space/time incarnation"

Etc.. You can also see 71.7, which still speak about time/space.

And now we can see that the yin-yang picture can be "also" a usefull metaphor for all densities which include time-space and space-time, and this on the social and individual level. For the 3rd density, the border which "meanders" between the black and white semi-circular drops, could then represent the veil of oblivion.

And as I said before, I don't want to worry about other densities.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

Thanks for helping me to understand and I am not even certain if I can truly add to this or not.
Third density is space/time and the only way we can enter into time/space here is in meditation or connecting to the infinite timeless state also called the 'now'.
Within each, whether it be 1st, 2nd or 3rd life is both male and female or the Feminine principle and the Masculine principle. This is nature and the true nature of Creation.
You can see this everywhere here on earth and in space but especially in biology (this is the easiest way to view these principles) as you may have already ascertained. And this is what I was speaking of when I said that I am female but within this female biology is the masculine chemistry and biology (ie; estrogen/progesterone, left arm/right arm and so forth). And you can witness this principle being played out within our solar system sun/masculine, moon feminine, etc. Again, I think you already know this as you seem to understand.

Sixth density, of course we do not understand completely but Ra given us tiny glimpses into the basic mechanisms of the 6th density, the density of Unity. Where our Higher Self resides (HS, I am sorry for writing this in the beginning lol). There are additional writings that speak of harmonizing the polarities.
So, third density IS space/time. To my knowledge there is no 3rd density time/space. There is another 'you' that resides in 6th density time/space called your higher self but even still contains both the female and male principles because it is still within creation as nothing can be outside of it.

Many thanks for your answer.

I could see that there was a problem somewhere, with the issue of 3rd density time-space. But I am not very surprised, because I did not find explicit topics on this subject, although I did not look everywhere.

This is however very clear to Ra:

"29.13 : I am Ra. The Logos creates all densities. Your question was unclear. However, we shall state the Logos does create both the space/time densities and the accompanying time/space densities.

71.6 Q : As an entity goes through the death process in third density and finds itself in time/space, it finds itself in a different set of circumstances. Would you please describe the properties or circumstances of time/space and then the process of healing of incarnative experiences that some entities encounter?

I am Ra. Although this query is difficult to answer adequately due to the limitations of your space/time sound vibration complexes, we shall respond to the best of our ability. The hallmark of time/space is the inequity between time and space. In your space/time the spatial orientation of material causes a tangible framework for illusion. In time/space the inequity is upon the shoulders of that property known to you as time. This property renders entities and experiences intangible in a relative sense. In your framework each particle, or core vibration, moves at a velocity which approaches what you call the speed of light from the direction of supraluminal velocities.

Thus the time/space, or metaphysical, experience is that which is very finely tuned and, although an analog of space/time, lacking in its tangible characteristics. In these metaphysical planes there is a great deal of what you call time which is used to review and re-review the biases and learn/teachings of a prior, as you would call it, space/time incarnation"

Etc.. You can also see 71.7, which still speak about time/space.

And now we can see that the yin-yang picture can be "also" a usefull metaphor for all densities which include time-space and space-time, and this on the social and individual level. For the 3rd density, the border which "meanders" between the black and white semi-circular drops, could then represent the veil of oblivion.

And as I said before, I don't want to worry about other densities.

Ok then I will not speak about the other densities, no problem. I think you could consider one point that I feel we both have overlooked and this is the Astral plane. Sorry to hit you up with yet another plane of existence. But, that old occult axiom, "As above, so below; So below" , as above I feel applies to your investigation.
In the Astral planes I think there is an equal matching for the 3rd density physical plane. But of course this is seen on a metaphysical level belonging to "time/space". (?) did that help? I am not sure if I am helping or hurting here. Please forgive me if I am not answering your thoughts and questions appropriately. Thank you Cheik

[tadeus]

Oh no, this is not a question of cowardice, because if you read correctly, I have already given clues for the answer. But maybe (I am French) I am expressing myself badly!

The problem is that I'm looking for a definite answer, otherwise it becomes speculation, and in this so fundamental area of the polar relations between the conscious and the unconscious, between the material and the spiritual, it would only add confusion to the confusion that has been around for centuries.

Your english is not worse or better than mine.  

I agree that a definite answer would be better.
But the Ra material is limited, and it's not easy to get an overview over the rest of the channeling material.
Maybe a glossar can be build up in the future?

Now let's take a "quantum" leap, and imagine that, for the same mind / body / spirit complex (the same individual), the white drop represents the time-space (of 3rd density), and the black drop represents the space-time (of 3rd density).

We would then have a completely new "meta-concept", according to which the semi white drop would be our time-space consciousness, which would continuously irrigate our space-time unconscious, and "vice versa".

That sounds fascinating, but i cannot associate this with a gender.

I would say it is a nice question to Q'uo for the future, what can be exactly understand under the principle of gender?

[tadeus]

Within each, whether it be 1st, 2nd or 3rd life is both male and female or the Feminine principle and the Masculine principle. This is nature and the true nature of Creation.
You can see this everywhere here on earth and in space but especially in biology (this is the easiest way to view these principles) as you may have already ascertained. And this is what I was speaking of when I said that I am female but within this female biology is the masculine chemistry and biology (ie; estrogen/progesterone, left arm/right arm and so forth). And you can witness this principle being played out within our solar system sun/masculine, moon feminine, etc. Again, I think you already know this as you seem to understand.

Yes - that's part of it.

But we want to know what have to be understand under the principle of gender in difference to the principle of polarity in a non sexual way?

Gender is somehow programmed with sexuality in the head, but the meaning are basic properties that are associated with the gender.
It's something like that the feminine part is to give live and the masculine part is somehow just to be involved in it.
So it is different to a polarity, but brings special properties into it.

[cheikspear]

Ok then I will not speak about the other densities, no problem. I think you could consider one point that I feel we both have overlooked and this is the Astral plane. Sorry to hit you up with yet another plane of existence. But, that old occult axiom, "As above, so below; So below" , as above I feel applies to your investigation.
In the Astral planes I think there is an equal matching for the 3rd density physical plane. But of course this is seen on a metaphysical level belonging to "time/space".  (?) did that help? I am not sure if I am helping or hurting here. Please forgive me if I am not answering your thoughts and questions appropriately. Thank you Cheik

Hey Ohr Ein Sof. You absolutely do not hurt me. Like you, I am a seeker, and therefore, I seek, I fall, I stand up, etc ...! It is normal to discuss, to debate, and when one discusses, it happens very often to disagree, and fortunately besides, all the more since the matter of Ra is extremely complex.

Having said that, you now come to the very classic "astral plane" of esotericism, with all the speculations of spiritual schools about it. Ra expressed on this subject that the notions used by the traditional esoteric schools concerning the different planes and bodies differ from one teaching to another, and that this ends up confusing us completely - which have been for a long time my case; despite my many attempts to synthesize the various teachings, I have never arrived at a clear and coherent overall notion.

Ra thus responds to a question from Don:
47.8 : "Q In our esoteric literature numerous bodies are listed. I have here a list of the physical body, the etheric, the emotional, the astral, and the mental. Can you tell me if this listing is the proper number, and can you tell me the uses and purposes and effects, etc., of each of these, or any other bodies that may be in our mind/body/spirit complex?

I am Ra. To answer your query fully would be the work of many sessions such as this one, for the interrelationships of the various bodies, and each body’s effects in various situations, is an enormous study. However, we shall begin by referring your minds back to the spectrum of true colors and the usage of this understanding in grasping the various densities of your octave [...] However, we are aware that you wish to correspond these bodies mentioned with the color rays. This will be confusing, for various teachers have offered their teach/learning understanding in various terms. Thus one may name a subtle body one thing and another find a different name."

47.8 further : "The green-ray body is that body which may be seen in séance when what you call ectoplasm is furnished. This is a lighter body packed more densely with life. You may call this the astral body following some other teachings. Others have called this same body the etheric body. However, this is not correct in the sense that the etheric body is that body of gateway wherein intelligent energy is able to mold the mind/body/spirit complex."

By comparing these words with everything that is said about the mind/body/spirit (MBS), we thus understand that this "green-ray body" - the famous ectoplasm of the "spiritualist" sessions (in french, we speak about "spirit" sessions, but this word don't have english translation) of the XIXth century - is "only one of" the bodies used by the MBS which is embodied in space-time. Even if this body seems very important for our future of 4th density (green-ray density), "it is very important not to confuse him" with the time-space MBS, which would mainly use the indigo ray body:

47.8 further : "The indigo-ray body, which we choose to call the etheric body, is, as we have said, the gateway body. In this body form is substance, and you may only see this body as that of light as it may mold itself as it desires.

And so (also in 47.8) : "There are many, many types of bodies in each density, much like your own".

Our problem, and this is valid for all Western spiritual schools, and for the most part Eastern ones, has been since the 19th century to seek to "mentally freeze" (our rational mind loves to freeze things) a definitive image of all our bodies, and all the subtle planes. What ended up freezing our mind as well as all these teachings, based on hierarchical structures which always result in a form of "spiritual domination" of some peoples over others.

This is why, in my opinion, we must "completely" abandon these traditional notions, do the housework, clean our mental house, and start again (almost) from zero, by restructuring the whole by the logic, absolutely coherent from A to Z (even if they are holes!!), of the Law of One.

And now :

[Ohr Ein Sof]

Within each, whether it be 1st, 2nd or 3rd life is both male and female or the Feminine principle and the Masculine principle. This is nature and the true nature of Creation.
You can see this everywhere here on earth and in space but especially in biology (this is the easiest way to view these principles) as you may have already ascertained. And this is what I was speaking of when I said that I am female but within this female biology is the masculine chemistry and biology (ie; estrogen/progesterone, left arm/right arm and so forth). And you can witness this principle being played out within our solar system sun/masculine, moon feminine, etc. Again, I think you already know this as you seem to understand.

Yes - that's part of it.

But we want to know what have to be understand under the principle of gender in difference to the principle of polarity in a non sexual way?

Gender is somehow programmed with sexuality in the head, but the meaning are basic properties that are associated with the gender.
It's something like that the feminine part is to give live and the masculine part is somehow just to be involved in it.
So it is different to a polarity, but brings special properties into it.

I am not, as far as I can tell, connecting it to the idea of the sexual nature of man or of any other animal. I guess I am too dense for this type of questioning. For the life of me, I cannot see it any other way besides one being of negative charge and the other of positive charge as in love/light. Or as a power....It will be difficult to discuss this as words will be very hard to explain such abstract concepts. I think this is why I must throw in the towel at this point.

[tadeus]

I am not, as far as I can tell, connecting it to the idea of the sexual nature of man or of any other animal. I guess I am too dense for this type of questioning. For the life of me, I cannot see it any other way besides one being of negative charge and the other of positive charge as in love/light. Or as a power....It will be difficult to discuss this as words will be very hard to explain such abstract concepts. I think this is why I must throw in the towel at this point.

That's true.
It is simply interesting to try to put this concept / principle in words ...

[onLIKE_7_was a number]

i'm bigender. when i think of myself as male my fem side forms into my subconscious. when i think of myself as female, my masculinity forms into my subconscious. This is different from being bisexual which i could further elaborate on but is outside the scope of the topic. i sometimes stay one gender for months or years, but my gender also often switches for one conversation. when i was younger my voice would change. my voice still may, but the change isn't as drastic. if i stay female for an extended period of time, i take anti-androgen and estrogen like a typical trans women…the role of this isn’t to change how i look but simply to feel appropriate. i go off those two substances when a male version of myself returns. i consider myself a type of trans.

“the gender u are not becomes what’s permisiable”. -, those are someone else’s words. i hear voices

. the only other philosophical text that i’ve found similar, other than what was transcribed of Ra speaking through Carla is from saying 22 of the book/gospel of thomas. :

“…. said to them: When you make the two one, and when you make the inside as the outside, and the outside as the inside, and the upper as the lower, and when you make the male and the female into a single one, so that the male is not male and the female not female, and when you make eyes in place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then shall you enter”

a lot of my experiences i think are currently atypical for humans to experience ;

many of us have some repulsion when it comes to thinking ourselves as the other gender, but more than likely whether it was on earth or somewhere else or even in 2nd density, u’ve been the other gender before during an incarnation.

[tadeus]

Your experience in this context is really interesting.

I would say you have a direct insight into the Hermetic Principles.
But the price is to live your live in a complete other way then most of the other people.
Do you have the feeling that you have choosen this insight / catalyst preincarnatic?

Can you give us more details of your experience?

[flofrog]

welcome here onLIKE_7_was a number,

its pretty fascinating, even if it makes for you for a rather difficult thing at times ? I am a woman but thought myself some sort of boyish when small. When I was 21 I wrote a book in the shoes of a sixty year old man, and I just loved loved it. I even fell in love with the young woman I was describing, whom he was supposed to be falling for..

Welcome, safe journey onLIKE