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    Thread: Reincarnation


    Celestial (Offline)

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    #1
    08-22-2021, 09:21 AM
    So I've been thinking deeply about the reincarnation process. There are ideas I've had about it and The Ra Material has caused me to question a lot of it.

    The way that I thought of it in the past was like this... Right now we exist in space/time. We have the ability to respond to catalyst and grow. Before and after our incarnation we are in time/space, and while I don't fully understand it, I assume that it would be similar to space/time, but without the ability to interact with catalyst.

    So we are on the same page, let me give a brief description of my understanding of each.
    Space/time: All space is accessible instantaneously but not all of time. You move through space relative to time and react to catalyst.
    Time/space: All time is accessible instantaneously but not all of space. You can move to different parts of your incarnation but are limited in space.

    The way I think about this is that you would be tethered to your body to some degree after death, and you are able to rewind and fast forward to different moments in your life but wouldn't be able to interact with or change anything. One part of this that I've struggled with (understanding mentally) is that all vision is processed through the senses, and if you were to look at your surroundings as another observer, I can't imagine what it would look like. For example, some people are colour blind, and only ever see certain shades of colour throughout their whole life -- but I wonder if a blind person or colour blind person would suddenly "see" with vision in time/space, because they are effectively having an out of body experience and don't need physical eyes for their vision. This is confusing to me. What is "seeing" and if we can "see" without eyes, why do we need a physical organ to do so throughout the incarnation?

    That's effectively a side-question or tangent, because my real focus here is reincarnation. Ra seems to suggest that we spend time in time/space between our incarnations. My first question is that if all time is accessible, how "long" do you spend in that in-between state before incarnating again?

    My second question relates to how we actually reincarnate in time/space. Ra says that the higher self is what triggers the incarnation. Beforehand I imagined that we would pick ourselves who we wanted to incarnate as. Perhaps that there would be someone with a branching amount of choices in relation to catalyst that is going to help us choose how "we" want to grow. The third density being and all of its branching ends always existed throughout time instantaneously, but we choose to live as that being and make the choices that we best define us. You could think of it as a choose-your-own-adventure book, or video game, where all the experiences are previously written out, they exist in "data" or "text", but are not actually experienced until you turn to that page or get to that level and are experiencing it by you with all of your attention.

    The question I have relating to that relates back to what I said about time/space... We have access to all of time but limited space (I assume space correspondent to your surroundings during the incarnation, i.e. if you were in Tokyo in 2009, you won't be able to explore Paris in 2009 while reviewing the incarnation -- but could also mean that if you were in the Milky Way in 2009, you won't be able to explore Andromeda while reviewing. The scale is not clear) so how do we pick or "see" our next incarnation? Is this entirely handled by the Higher Self? Once a sufficient amount of "healing" has occurred does the Higher Self simply say "buckle up" and you get whisked away into the womb of a nearby human, or other extraterrestrial life form? Or do we actually explore time/space and pick for ourselves?

    It seems kind of daunting to me because as a baby we are so vulnerable, and so sensitive. It really puts in perspective just how vulnerable we must become after death before having the opportunity to reincarnate again. It's almost as if one way or another we must become as babies again even if it's forced on us at the last minute, or after death, and recognising how defenseless and powerless a small child is feels very extreme given how much of a sense of defense and self-preservation we have during our lives here.

    Feel free to share with me any of your thoughts or ideas surrounding time/space and reincarnation, or whatever else comes to your mind about this. Peace to you all. Smile

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    08-22-2021, 11:39 AM
    Celestial, you might wish to read Michael Newton's books, starting with Journey of Souls. Time/space is discussed there in an interesting way as he was a very respectable hypnotist who helped countless persons. Really interesting, I think you would love it, Wink
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    08-22-2021, 12:05 PM
    Second Flofrog. Read Michael Newton's books. He fills in the what happens between lives part of the puzzle nicely and his work coincides with Ra perfectly.

    Time/Space has its own rules similar to dream space. The incarnation review happens because you basically sit down and review your life, not because you are living the same incarnation in a different way.

    In a lot of way time/space should be viewed as "reality" while the physical incarnation is the less real part of existence. Or in other words time/space existence is the default while space/time is switched to periodically.

    Depending on your level of development you choose your major life events, who your parents are, who you will have significant relationships with, and the manner of your death. Changes can be made mid incarnation and lessons will be repeated ad nauseum until the message is received.
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    08-22-2021, 12:18 PM
    (08-22-2021, 12:05 PM)Dtris Wrote: Second Flofrog. Read Michael Newton's books. He fills in the what happens between lives part of the puzzle nicely and his work coincides with Ra perfectly...

    What would be his best book on the subject that also aligns well with Ra ?

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    08-22-2021, 12:59 PM
    (08-22-2021, 12:05 PM)Dtris Wrote: Second Flofrog. Read Michael Newton's books. He fills in the what happens between lives part of the puzzle nicely and his work coincides with Ra perfectly.

    Time/Space has its own rules similar to dream space. The incarnation review happens because you basically sit down and review your life, not because you are living the same incarnation in a different way.

    In a lot of way time/space should be viewed as "reality" while the physical incarnation is the less real part of existence. Or in other words time/space existence is the default while space/time is switched to periodically.

    Depending on your level of development you choose your major life events, who your parents are, who you will have significant relationships with, and the manner of your death. Changes can be made mid incarnation and lessons will be repeated ad nauseum until the message is received.

    Are you saying that everything is pre-determined in this way? (How is free will accounted for?)

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    08-22-2021, 01:30 PM
     
    It might help to first zoom out and view the larger picture.  You begin as a form of consciousness in first density, experiencing self in very general, loosely aggregated terms.  You remain, you flow, you are heated, cooled, etc.  This level of consciousness becomes more articulated and you then move into a successive phase in second density where you grow and your awareness developes and you acquire a more personal sense of self.
     

    Later you move to a phase where that now-defined self explores the choice of which path of growth it will follow, what flavour of power it will align with: that which intensifies and reifies self, or that which gives self to the larger "self" of all.  In this phase, consciousness is slowly developed through incarnations in space/time and the studying of the lessons of these incarnations in time/space.  As student improves in skill, it can more skillfully choose the programming of each incarnation so that further lessons can be more deliberately explored.
     
    From there, one moves on through subsequent levels of consciousness where more specialised lessons are learned, and yet one may continue to visit third density so that with can have another opportunity to test and deepen one's learning.  In the military, one learns how to disassemble and reassemble one's rifle while looking at it, and then while blindfolded.  Here in third density we're recapitulating our lessons blindfolded so as to more deeply internalise their resonance.

     

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    08-22-2021, 02:00 PM
    (08-22-2021, 12:18 PM)Patrick Wrote:
    (08-22-2021, 12:05 PM)Dtris Wrote: Second Flofrog. Read Michael Newton's books. He fills in the what happens between lives part of the puzzle nicely and his work coincides with Ra perfectly...

    What would be his best book on the subject that also aligns well with Ra ?

    It has been while since I read them but Destiny of Souls I think has the best material in it.


    Celestial Wrote:Are you saying that everything is pre-determined in this way? (How is free will accounted for?)

    From what I understand only the most important events are pre-planned and the general lessons desired. This is planned by yourelf before incarnation, so there is no problem with free will. You are just living out a choice made per-incarnatively. There is always the opportunity to change as well, not to mention signs and guideposts can be missed and a planned event may not occur due to missing the boat so to speak.
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    08-22-2021, 03:18 PM
    (08-22-2021, 09:21 AM)Celestial Wrote: The way I think about this is that you would be tethered to your body to some degree after death

    After physical death, only one layer of your body was 'peeled off', the physical body.
    The rest of the layers still remains intact.

    Yogic tradition call all layers of the body as "Maya Kosha" (Virtual Wrapper).
    The "Physical Body" is just one layer of it and they call it "Anna Maya Kosha", "Food / Physical matter virtual wrapper".

    You can also experience temporary 'escape' from physical body, during sleeping and/or deep meditation stage.

    Quote:One part of this that I've struggled with (understanding mentally) is that all vision is processed through the senses, and if you were to look at your surroundings as another observer, I can't imagine what it would look like. For example, some people are colour blind, and only ever see certain shades of colour throughout their whole life -- but I wonder if a blind person or colour blind person would suddenly "see" with vision in time/space,

    Yes they could, because they sense it not through physical senses of the "Anna Maya Kosha".

    There's a video on youtube regarding the testimony of a blind woman who experienced near death experience. In which she could 'see' for the very first time in her life as she was 'floating away' from her physical body.
    Once she 'returned' back to the physical body the sight is gone.


    Quote:My first question is that if all time is accessible, how "long" do you spend in that in-between state before incarnating again?

    It depends, some might not too interested in incarnating again. (and disbanding his/her old identity, logged off from the game)
    And some still remain attached to his/her identity and stuck in the 'in between realm', also called 'lower astral realm'.
    Those entities often being referred as 'ghost'.


    Quote:My second question relates to how we actually reincarnate in time/space.
    Everyone is actually a multi-dimensional entity, each dimensional has it's own layer of 'body' or 'virtual sheathing' (maya kosha).
    How to incarnate is actually depending on where the consciousness set it focus on.

    It's similar as when you're playing a game.
    You decide to which 'realm' that you set your focus on, the gaming realm or the physical realm.
    When you suddenly hear your mom yelling at you to took the trash outside, you will be interrupted from the gaming realm to do chores from your mom on the physical realm.

    Quote:The scale is not clear) so how do we pick or "see" our next incarnation? Is this entirely handled by the Higher Self? Once a sufficient amount of "healing" has occurred does the Higher Self simply say "buckle up" and you get whisked away into the womb of a nearby human, or other extraterrestrial life form? Or do we actually explore time/space and pick for ourselves?

    Your higher self is also you.
    In similar manner as your gaming avatar is also you.
    So whomever decide, higher self or the gaming avatar, it's the same entity who actually decide, YOU.


    Additional question to ponder is:
    Who or what is it that's actually incarnating?
    Since when you dies, your old identity / persona / gaming avatar also dies with it.

    Let's say Lincoln incarnating as Theresa.
    Is it really Lincoln incarnating as Theresa?
    Or Theresa was incarnated as Lincoln?
    Or "Something/somebody else" was incarnating as Lincoln and then Theresa?
    In similar manner you incarnating as many game avatars through multiple games (or the same game)
    Or as many forum avatars through multiple forum (or the same forum)
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    08-22-2021, 03:59 PM (This post was last modified: 08-22-2021, 04:00 PM by flofrog.)
    Celestial,
    I had only one personal reading in my life and it was a really interesting one, the psychic was a musician, and he knew Sanskrit and was doing first a psychological portray from my birth date and location of birth, and then he would relay the thoughts of my spiritual guides. Everything said about past reincarnations made so much sense. To my question about events in this incarnation, they said : imagine a puzzle and at each incarnation you wish to put pieces, and you have been planning those for quite some time now. So the more pieces you wish to put in, the more work you will do. ‘

    Which goes also with what Dtris said about the most important events. Smaller events will emerge naturally from the larger ones and the way we handle them.
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    08-22-2021, 04:21 PM
    [/quote]

    @jafar: Find your post very interesting and intriguing. Was wondering if you could share where these teachings originated from. This is not to judge but enjoy.

    Smiles

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    08-22-2021, 09:55 PM (This post was last modified: 08-22-2021, 09:58 PM by tadeus.)
    (08-22-2021, 12:18 PM)Patrick Wrote:
    (08-22-2021, 12:05 PM)Dtris Wrote: Second Flofrog. Read Michael Newton's books. He fills in the what happens between lives part of the puzzle nicely and his work coincides with Ra perfectly...

    What would be his best book on the subject that also aligns well with Ra ?

    Addtional literature with another angle of view are always interesting.

    Third: Read Rudolf Steiner. He has written in detail what will happen between the incarnations.

    Jafar's post already gives insight in a similar way.

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    08-23-2021, 01:30 AM
    Quote:@jafar:  Find your post very interesting and intriguing.  Was wondering if you could share where these teachings originated from.  This is not to judge but enjoy.

    Primarily it's based on personal experience, so it's not a 'teaching' per se.
    Once one experienced it, no external teaching is necessary.
    As they say experience is the best teacher.

    Everyone can experience it, what they need to do is to intend it, ask the question.
    Incarnating is as common as birth and death.
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    08-24-2021, 03:03 AM
    I found the video about the 'blind woman see during NDE' as I mentioned on the above post.
    Her name is Vicky Noratuk, it seems many other articles, interview has also been posted about her NDE experience.

    The summary of her experience:



    "I don't care if people believe in my story or not, I don't seek any confirmation from others, I know it's true based on what I've experienced"
    -- Vicky Noratuk

    The best approach is none other than to experience it yourself.
    Thus you will not 'believe' but 'know'.
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    08-24-2021, 06:45 AM
    @Celestial Thank you for your post, find this very interesting. I too went through a NDE but it was very different from Vicky Noratuk. As I watched the video, see that Vicky was given what she always wanted - vision, even though she chose to be here blind. She proves to herself that we are so loved and what we are in truth is very different than what we believe and have been taught since birth in this density. She may have come back still blind but with different thoughts seeing life through another perspective.
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    09-18-2021, 05:13 AM
    in time/space you mainly sit and process your memories and view the things in your life from a different perspective. The external environment is usually some type of prompt for looking at your memories rather than something you engage with. When I was there the main place I was at was my bedroom in various places I've lived in in the past
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    10-01-2021, 01:03 AM
    QUESTIONER: Could you tell me the difference between space/time and
    time/space?
    RA: I am Ra. Using your words, the difference is that between the visible
    and invisible, or the physical and metaphysical. Using mathematical
    terms, as does the one you call Larson, the difference is that between s/t
    and t/s.

    It looks time/space is the world of dark matterSmile

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