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    Thread: The nature of death, to let go


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    #1
    06-03-2022, 02:45 AM
    One of the highest detachment is to "let it be"

    Consider Death Now - Alan Watts


    How do you let go of fear? how far have you gone with it? 

    Please feel free to share with others your own philosophy and "ways" to overcome death. 

    For Example,

    My method is to "drift off" in meditation, completely submerging into the void.
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    06-03-2022, 04:34 AM
    Yes there's nothing to fear but fear itself.

    We're dying from the day we were born.

    What cause those 'fear' are:
    1. 'sense of attachments' 
    2. 'disinformation' regarding what death is and what happened after such event, primarily broadcasted by 'organized religions' as they try to control the populace through fear.

    Consciousness will never stop experiencing.
    While the context, as what/whom, when and where always changing over time.

    Each consciousness unit (CU) is 'virtually wrapped' by multiple layer of 'virtual wrapping'.
    The physical body is just one layer of it.
    When it has become dysfunctional, the CU will focus it's attention on the 'next layer that is still functional'.

    People named this 'next layer' using many names, some of them are 'astral/etheric body' or in sanskrit "Kama Rupa".
    Experiencing a different (yet still similar) realm labeled "astral realm" or "Kama Loka".

    This 'layer' is not eternal and need to be eventually "let go" as well after the "physical body".
    When the CU still has a strong 'sense of attachments', it will take a long time to 'let go'.
    And that's what makes the CU a.k.a soul get stuck on it's further evolutionary journey.

    Once 'let go' or become totally dysfunctional, the CU will refocus it's attention on the 'next layer'.
    And experiencing a different realm, again the name varied, Ra uses "time/space" (where there's negative and positive time/space)
    Where the CU will experience a 'life session review' leveraging the data of experiences recorded in universal database.
    From there on the CU will plan the next step forward.

    Ra doesn't explain much detail about negative time/space but explain in great length about positive time/space.
    For a good reason, he don't want to cause fear regarding this very natural process.
    As fear is among the reason why the CU projecting itself to negative time/space and/or get stuck in the "astral realm". 

    This process of 'unwrapping and rewrapping', 'attaching and letting go' goes on recursively. 
    Until the CU can finally let go of everything thus letting go of all layer of virtual wrapping.
    By letting go the last layer of it's virtual wrapping, the CU will no longer bound/bordered by it's wrapping.
    And rejoined the boundless / infinite consciousness. 
    Ra label this as reaching an octave (7th / 8th density) while eastern tradition named this as Nirvana or Mokhsa (liberation).

    So what is there to fear about rather than the fear itself?
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    06-03-2022, 09:29 AM
    I don't think of death/dying too much, but instead, I have been more and more focused on what/how I wish to be during the remaining time I have. This strange illusion which I inhabit in this unique MBSC. In an indirect way, I am considering the unknown finish line, and put simply, maximizing my time and efforts.
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    06-03-2022, 10:10 AM
    (06-03-2022, 02:45 AM)J.W. Wrote: One of the highest detachment is to "let it be"

    Consider Death Now - Alan Watts


    How do you let go of fear? how far have you gone with it? 

    Please feel free to share with others your own philosophy and "ways" to overcome death. 

    For Example,

    My method is to "drift off" in meditation, completely submerging into the void.

    To the very core of it and drilled through it. The only thing you truly fear is yourself and being by yourself. Can you caste away yourself, can you live with how you feel/think and your decisions/actions? Can you be alone indefinitely? Fear as all things when followed full circle begin/end with Us.
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    06-03-2022, 10:22 AM
    I do agree that meditation can help to mitigate fears of the unknown. 

    For me, it is about acceptance. I accept that I am going to die from this reality. In accepting that I will die, I do not qualify that acceptance with beliefs or wishes that after death there is this or that or something or nothing (regardless of what I may resonate with at any given point in time). And in doing so, I put my focus on the here and now, and what I do while traversing this reality as I am.

    I am a Woody Allen fan. There is a scene in Hannah and Her Sisters where Woody's character, after months of searching for answers about death and God, reaches this culminating moment:



    I also like Richard Dawkin's words (from the point of view of an atheist which I don't care about one way or the other—it is the sentiment I like) on the subject:

    After sleeping through a hundred million centuries
    We have finally opened our eyes on a sumptuous planet, sparkling with color, bountiful with life
    Within decades we must close our eyes again
    Isn't it a noble and enlightened way of spending our brief time in the sun
    To work at understanding the universe and how we have come to wake up in it?

    We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones
    Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born
    The potential people who could have been here in my place
    But who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Sahara
    Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton
    We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA
    So massively exceeds the set of actual people
    In the teeth of those stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here
    We privileged few, who won the lottery of birth against all odds
    How dare we whine at our inevitable return to that prior state
    From which the vast majority have never stirred?

    There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers
    Having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one
    And that whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity
    From so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been
    And are being, evolved
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    06-03-2022, 10:53 AM
    Wow, Diana, thank you for Richard Dawkin's words, beautiful...
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    06-03-2022, 09:11 PM
    Things are neither good nor bad, but thinking makes it so... Shakespeare
    That which we resist persists.
    Perhaps look at where your resistances are strongest, for the path to understand your perspective.
    Once you have awareness of your own resistance it itself is no longer necessary.

    Regarding my own death, or the passing of those which I feel strong attachment, knowing is not a pre-requisite. Here and now, we are cozy. I trust the universe, and I accept my catalyst.
    How far have I gone to face death. Far enough to know how thin the veil is, and how close we are to those that have passed. The concept of time creates distance.
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    06-04-2022, 03:00 AM
    Well "Experiencing" is the reason why the Consciousness play the game in the first place.
    Through "Experiencing" (among others) fear, one will know it's opposite.

    Any form of 'identity' is virtual and has a beginning and an end.
    Richard Dawkins will die, jafar will die, but the consciousness that is experiencing as Richard Dawkins and jafar will not.
    And once the 'virtual memory access boundary between identity' is penetrated, the consciousness will realize that it is actually both Richard Dawkins and jafar.
    Behind all form of identities there's only one person.
    That's among the key concept that's being delivered by Ra through "Law of One".
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    06-04-2022, 07:22 AM (This post was last modified: 06-04-2022, 07:30 AM by tadeus.)
    (06-03-2022, 02:45 AM)J.W. Wrote: How do you let go of fear? how far have you gone with it?

    The way to let go fear is to live your life in the now.
    When you have no bodily pain, when you are not hungry and when you have a roof over your head, everything is fine in this moment.
    Everything else is fear about a future that maybe will not come.

    Additional it is helpful to know and see everything as a game of life within one of many possible incarnations.
    When you are not afraid of death (any more), everything can be easy and there can only be pain in the moment you can be afraid of.
    So let go all fear and go into the now, when fear is coming up.
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    06-04-2022, 09:08 PM
    Thank you for sharing your experiences everyone,

    They are very poetic, introspective, and philosophical,

    The longer we are "here," the more we seems to be able to "find" a way to reason with the finite.

    I would like to know more in your ways of explaining "this" to a child, would you tell them 

    "It's like going to sleep!" or "It's like being in a nice place!" 
    These are just few examples,

    Please feel free to share your thought on how to explain it to a 5 years old (ELI5.) 
    This could be beneficial for those who works in medical/educational pediatric care,

    There is a video I've seen that helped me rethink about the concept of death, and to share the concept in it's simplest form. (without being too morbid or vague) 

    PLEASE use the google link to read about it first, as this is a "heartfelt" story and could be a bit too emotional for some to bear.
    Julianna Snow

    The interview with Julianna
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIbwYaOc...hannel=CNN

    How would you explain it to Julianna?
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    06-04-2022, 10:52 PM
    (06-04-2022, 09:08 PM)J.W. Wrote: Please feel free to share your thought on how to explain it to a 5 years old (ELI5.) 
    This could be beneficial for those who works in medical/educational pediatric care,

    Explaining this to a 5 years old, might be difficult and maybe not the proper time.
    Because for a 5 years old, he/she is still within the growing phase of identification.
    Thus his/her identification with his physical body / identity and any other of "his" elements will only grow stronger.
    (my body, my eyes, my hands, my name, my parents, my home, my ethnicity, my race, my country, my toys, my school, my friends etc..)

    And there's nothing wrong with that, as that is part of natural process.
    The consciousness are supposed to experience separation... before moving towards the opposite, unity.
    Remember that just 5 years before, right after the memory reset, the consciousness does not even have the capability to differentiate between 'the experiencer' and 'the world that it's experiencing'.

    While explaining this to a teenager who has experienced playing a video game might be easier.
    Life is like playing a game, you logged in and assumed yourself as an avatar to experience everything inside the game.
    All the 'enemies' that you faced inside the game are actually not your enemies, they're all actually your friends, you are enemies only inside the game.
    As long as you maintain a curiosity and interest on things that happened inside the game, you will continue to play the game.
    Not even 'death inside the game' can stop you to assume another avatar and respawn into the game.
    Until you reached a point of boredom, been here done that, as such that the game is no longer interesting for you.
    And then you logged out from the game, this time no more respawning but permanently leave the game.
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    06-05-2022, 06:19 AM (This post was last modified: 06-06-2022, 05:55 AM by tadeus.)
    (06-04-2022, 09:08 PM)J.W. Wrote: Please feel free to share your thought on how to explain it to a 5 years old (ELI5.) 
    This could be beneficial for those who works in medical/educational pediatric care,


    A (little) child will not be afraid, if someone else will not tell stories to be afraid of.

    So another key are the stories that every day are told to be afraid of.

    The (most popular) answer is to avoid hearing such stories and only exercise positive thinking.
    This will of course work, but you will not be informed what is going on in the "world" of the "others" and you have no influence on it.
    When this world will touch you sooner or later, you will not understand it and you lost the chance to alter it.
    I will call this the New-Age-Trap or New-Age-Blind-Lane.

    The better way is to be informed and to think about what you have to be really afraid of.
    Then you can rule any information that is reaching you and you can sort out the fiction and fables.
    You are able to inform and calm others and you have a positive influence to the world of others, that you have to share with them.


    This situation inspired among others the thread Among with childlike people


    So you will eplain a child that it hears stories that are not true, about things that does not really exist.
    You ask the child why it is afraid about things it cannot see or proove.


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    06-06-2022, 05:56 AM
    There is a movie called Prometheus I think from the Alien series. There is a moment of a shared dream where a father is speaking to a daughter about where those who have passed go. As the discussion evolves to the how do you know part there is a statement:
    "Because that is what I choose to believe..."

    For now, I can comfortably say I don't know what that means anymore. I do believe like myself, a child must be told the absolute truth, with as little distortion as possible, and with as much compassion and presence as one is capable. If one is filled with an abundance of wisdom, and the questioner is perhaps a new young child, then there is a reason for this catalyst. I think information like this can only be given when requested, and never volunteered.
    I wish when I was young there was someone with the truth to guide me, beyond the ego. Perhaps that's the point.
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    06-06-2022, 11:04 AM
    I'm not afraid of dying, but dont' want to die suffering.
    I used to want to die because energies were so uncomfortable.

    But now it's bliss a lot, and gives me new hope for life.
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    06-06-2022, 12:55 PM
    I am interested: How do our understanding and energies of the concept of "death" evolve over time, and what shapes this evolution?

    Two close family members died during my childhood. Then, 5 high school friends died in tragic accidents. These events shaped my concept of death as both an individual and communal experience. 

    Now, I am in the summer/fall transition of my life, and the concept of death brings up a mixture of energies. Some what I may call welcoming and peaceful; some present as "I'm not done here yet," or "I'm not ready to leave." And, there is a giddy part of me which is excited to see what comes after, what expansive vistas lay before me. 

    Death evokes within me a sense of admiration, marvel and gratitude for this precious opportunity I've been given to be here now in this consciousness, as well as all about and within me. Death deepens my commitment to life.
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    06-08-2022, 07:11 PM (This post was last modified: 06-08-2022, 07:13 PM by sillypumpkins.)
    (06-03-2022, 02:45 AM)J.W. Wrote: Please feel free to share with others your own philosophy and "ways" to overcome death. 


    Quote:Questioner: Thank you. I have a question here from Jim that I will read verbatim: “Much of the mystic tradition of seeking on Earth holds that belief that the individual self must be erased or obliterated and the material world ignored for an entity to reach ‘nirvana,’ as it’s called, or enlightenment. What is the proper role of the individual self and its worldly activities in aiding an entity to grow more into the Law of One?”

    Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.


    ;-)
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    06-08-2022, 11:51 PM
    Quote:Questioner: Thank you. I have a question here from Jim that I will read verbatim: “Much of the mystic tradition of seeking on Earth holds that belief that the individual self must be erased or obliterated and the material world ignored for an entity to reach ‘nirvana,’ as it’s called, or enlightenment. What is the proper role of the individual self and its worldly activities in aiding an entity to grow more into the Law of One?”

    Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.

    I think the statement inside Jim's question is not 100% correct however Ra's answer is excellent as he nailed down the scope of the context to only "3rd density" (and not beyond)

    The border that define what's inside the 'individual self' and what's outside is inherently virtual / illusionary. 
    Thus naturally it will decay thus erased.
    Thus it's said "Kala (Time) will obliterate Karma".

    The equivalent of attaining the state of "Nirvana" or "Mokhsa" is reaching an octave or 8th density in Ra's lingo.
    The state where all layers of 'identity border' will be destroyed thus rejoining the separated self to the infinite / has no border self.

    "Enlightenment is like; I try to seek myself and I couldn't find it. In a state of enlightenment, there is no “other” to talk about because everything is a part of you."
    -- Gurudev
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    06-09-2022, 05:34 AM (This post was last modified: 06-09-2022, 05:39 AM by tadeus.)
    (06-08-2022, 11:51 PM)jafar Wrote:
    Quote:Questioner: Thank you. I have a question here from Jim that I will read verbatim: “Much of the mystic tradition of seeking on Earth holds that belief that the individual self must be erased or obliterated and the material world ignored for an entity to reach ‘nirvana,’ as it’s called, or enlightenment. What is the proper role of the individual self and its worldly activities in aiding an entity to grow more into the Law of One?”

    Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.

    I think the statement inside Jim's question is not 100% correct however Ra's answer is excellent as he nailed down the scope of the context to only "3rd density" (and not beyond)

    Thank you for this quote.

    Why do you want to really care about something outside the existence of your current density ?
    Of course it is interesting to hear and learn about it, but it is something that have to be mastered in the future and not in the now.

    Jim's question hits the point and Ra's answer is indeed excellent.

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    06-10-2022, 05:39 AM
    (06-09-2022, 05:34 AM)tadeus Wrote: Why do you want to really care about something outside the existence of your current density ?
    Of course it is interesting to hear and learn about it, but it is something that have to be mastered in the future and not in the now.

    Jim's question hits the point and Ra's answer is indeed excellent.

    Because "you" exist in multiple densities simultaneously, through many identities.
    Such is among the core message conveyed by Siddharta, Ra, Lao Tse, and many Yogi masters.

    Jim's question uses the word "Must" where "eventually shall" will be more appropriate. 
    Any form of identities eventually shall be obliterated.
    And he think that "mystic traditions" advised "ignoring the material world" where it should be "no attachment to any thing".

    The background for such advise is that the things that does not change is the change itself.
    Any 'thing' in this VR world is continuously changing and has it's own 'cycle', formation and deformation.
    Once this is realized, an event such as 'death' will not be feared, death (deformation) will be viewed as equal to it's opposite, birth (formation). 
    Logging out from this VR world will be viewed as equal to it's opposite, logging in.
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    06-12-2022, 06:11 AM (This post was last modified: 06-12-2022, 06:22 AM by tadeus.)
    (06-10-2022, 05:39 AM)jafar Wrote: Because "you" exist in multiple densities simultaneously, through many identities.
    Such is among the core message conveyed by Siddharta, Ra, Lao Tse, and many Yogi masters.

    Yes - but this body/mind/spirit-complex of the incarnation has to exist/work in this density.

    A spiritual master has a life-plan to teach/learn about the spiritual aspects of the life - this will not be the life-plan of everyone.
    In the story Siddharta from Herman Hesse it is nice shown, what the sense of the life could be and that this basic things can only be found by yourself.

    Jim is talking in this context about "much of the mystic tradition" and there is really the dogmatism out there "that the individual self must be erased or obliterated".
    I would say that "any 'thing' in this VR world is continuously changing" because this is the manifestation of the group/mind/spirit-complex.

    (06-10-2022, 05:39 AM)jafar Wrote: Once this is realized, an event such as 'death' will not be feared, death (deformation) will be viewed as equal to it's opposite, birth (formation).
    Logging out from this VR world will be viewed as equal to it's opposite, logging in.

    That's of course true and it is the main reason that the knowledge about incarnation is obliterated/in questioning.
    So this fear about death can be used for the unattended slavery.

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    06-12-2022, 10:25 AM
    Nice thread! I really enjoyed reading all that was shared so far.

    Adding another perspective to this interesting conversation: I have been studying Socrates' teachings because of the powerful messages he shared. On fear he taught something like: True wisdom is knowing what should and should not be feared. To fear death is a sign of attachment to the body in lieu of attachment to the soul (or the pure consciousness/mind). The body is changing and temporary whereas the soul carries on forever in its essential core. Socrates felt that the practice of spirituality itself could accurately be described as a practice for dying with grace and peace. And he thought that fear played a really important part in that process when it was directly properly towards things that are worthy of fear. He taught that anything that led us into greater attachment and feelings of importance directed to the body was truly to be feared. For him it was not cowardice to run screaming from those things! He has a list of truly fearful things actually but they can be generalized as things that lead us to act out of attachment to the body and thus to lead to sorrow and grief when the body fails us (as it must).

    Thanks again for all the great sharing especially the nuggets of wisdom coming from Ra!
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    06-12-2022, 11:44 AM
    We may not have attachment to staying alive and not fear death. But I think it’s nice to still be grateful towards the body who accepted our soul.

    There are great passages in Journey of Souls by Michael Newton on how both the body and the soul make efforts to adapt to each other.. Wink
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    06-12-2022, 06:23 PM
    (06-12-2022, 10:25 AM)kilaya Wrote: Nice thread! I really enjoyed reading all that was shared so far.

    Adding another perspective to this interesting conversation: I have been studying Socrates' teachings because of the powerful messages he shared. On fear he taught something like: True wisdom is knowing what should and should not be feared. To fear death is a sign of attachment to the body in lieu of attachment to the soul (or the pure consciousness/mind). The body is changing and temporary whereas the soul carries on forever in its essential core. Socrates felt that the practice of spirituality itself could accurately be described as a practice for dying with grace and peace. And he thought that fear played a really important part in that process when it was directly properly towards things that are worthy of fear. He taught that anything that led us into greater attachment and feelings of importance directed to the body was truly to be feared. For him it was not cowardice to run screaming from those things! He has a list of truly fearful things actually but they can be generalized as things that lead us to act out of attachment to the body and thus to lead to sorrow and grief when the body fails us (as it must).

    I tend to agree more with Lao Tse on fear.

    "There is no illusion greater than fear."
    --Lao Tse

    The consciousness love to experience, and among the type of experiences, we need to admit that the consciousness love to experience fear.

    All top 10 best selling games of all times, contain certain dose of fear.
    Whether it's "fear of death" and/or "fear of losing".

    Even originally creative sandbox game like Minecraft had a boost in popularity once it's introduced "Zombie" inside the game.
    Such is the 'critical role' that "Zombie" have in Minecraft universe.
    In the same manner as villains and monsters played critical role in movies or novels.

    Yet just like "fear element" in games or movies, it's nothing but an illusion.
    An illusion to make 'the experience' more captivating and interesting.
    Games or movies without any 'fear' element will be regarded as a 'boring experience'.
    So does 'life' a.k.a incarnating experience.

    Thus enjoy the experience and don't forget to say thanks to any role that helps you to experience the 'excitement of fear', albeit it's merely an illusion.
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    06-12-2022, 10:59 PM
    (06-08-2022, 07:11 PM)sillypumpkins Wrote:
    (06-03-2022, 02:45 AM)J.W. Wrote: Please feel free to share with others your own philosophy and "ways" to overcome death. 


    Quote:Questioner: Thank you. I have a question here from Jim that I will read verbatim: “Much of the mystic tradition of seeking on Earth holds that belief that the individual self must be erased or obliterated and the material world ignored for an entity to reach ‘nirvana,’ as it’s called, or enlightenment. What is the proper role of the individual self and its worldly activities in aiding an entity to grow more into the Law of One?”

    Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.


    ;-)

    You found it! great job,

    good attention to detail, :]

    there are other clues, but I do wanted to reserve the freewill for others to seek their own answers. 

    I am guilty to lean on the Ra materials often, but have learned to be free, thus allowing freedom for others, with, or without the "teaching."
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    06-12-2022, 11:12 PM
    I love the spiritual perspective, and for students/teachers of alchemy and transmutation. This is something of an "example" also,

    1st Law of Thermodynamics - Energy cannot be created or destroyed.

    2nd Law of Thermodynamics - For a spontaneous process, the entropy of the universe increases.

    3rd Law of Thermodynamics - A perfect crystal at zero Kelvin has zero entropy.
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    07-21-2022, 07:13 AM
    (06-03-2022, 02:45 AM)J.W. Wrote: One of the highest detachment is to "let it be"

    Consider Death Now - Alan Watts


    How do you let go of fear? how far have you gone with it? 

    Please feel free to share with others your own philosophy and "ways" to overcome death. 

    For Example,

    My method is to "drift off" in meditation, completely submerging into the void.

    I've been interested in death since I was a kid, both scientifically and spiritually, but it's not that strange because I saw my mother die when I was 11, she had a heart attack at home.

    I have encountered death many times in my life (in my family-as everyone), and because I have worked in hospitals in various positions.
    (Here I must note how the modern society is alieanetad from the process of death, we have completely cut ourselves off from natural wisdom about born and death, which is our innate heritage here.)
    But I also have a very personal experience with "him".

    I often dream with a "group", 4-5 people, in my dreams we always here for a mission, stucked in time.
    Last December I had a very vivid dream with them. They invited me to a house, full with sunshine and showed me a a box, inside my contract for this life experience. The box was sealed. And they told me, this is my last life on the Earth, I will die soon, we've done our job here. And now we're going home.
    I woke up in the middle of the night, and I was in shock, the dream was so real  just like this moment.
    Talking about something or getting close to it is completely different thing. I've said a lot of "wise" things about this in my life, but when I have to face it... The least I can do is become humble and check/explore myself, my feelings, beliefs...

    (And one more thing, back to my Mom's death. The doctor successfully brought her back after a few minutes of "death." My father an his father were there too... and my Mom had a really bad relationship with her father in law...
    But guess what happened. When she opened her eyes, she looked around and looked at her father-in-law,grabbed his hand... And in her very last words  apologized to him for their bad relationship. And than she died.
    The power of the forgiveness.)
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    07-24-2022, 08:38 AM
    (07-21-2022, 07:13 AM)Veszna Wrote:
    (06-03-2022, 02:45 AM)J.W. Wrote: One of the highest detachment is to "let it be"

    Consider Death Now - Alan Watts


    How do you let go of fear? how far have you gone with it? 

    Please feel free to share with others your own philosophy and "ways" to overcome death. 

    For Example,

    My method is to "drift off" in meditation, completely submerging into the void.

    I've been interested in death since I was a kid, both scientifically and spiritually, but it's not that strange because I saw my mother die when I was 11, she had a heart attack at home.

    I have encountered death many times in my life (in my family-as everyone), and because I have worked in hospitals in various positions.
    (Here I must note how the modern society is alieanetad from the process of death, we have completely cut ourselves off from natural wisdom about born and death, which is our innate heritage here.)
    But I also have a very personal experience with "him".

    I often dream with a "group", 4-5 people, in my dreams we always here for a mission, stucked in time.
    Last December I had a very vivid dream with them. They invited me to a house, full with sunshine and showed me a a box, inside my contract for this life experience. The box was sealed. And they told me, this is my last life on the Earth, I will die soon, we've done our job here. And now we're going home.
    I woke up in the middle of the night, and I was in shock, the dream was so real  just like this moment.
    Talking about something or getting close to it is completely different thing. I've said a lot of "wise" things about this in my life, but when I have to face it... The least I can do is become humble and check/explore myself, my feelings, beliefs...

    (And one more thing, back to my Mom's death. The doctor successfully brought her back after a few minutes of "death." My father an his father were there too... and my Mom had a really bad relationship with her father in law...
    But guess what happened. When she opened her eyes, she looked around and looked at her father-in-law,grabbed his hand... And in her very last words  apologized to him for their bad relationship. And than she died.
    The power of the forgiveness.)

    I hope it is not weird for me to say that I love you Veszna, 
    thank you for being.. and sharing your experience, 

    other-selves will look upon this, and share your love.
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    07-24-2022, 10:52 AM
    (07-21-2022, 07:13 AM)Veszna Wrote:
    (06-03-2022, 02:45 AM)J.W. Wrote: One of the highest detachment is to "let it be"

    Consider Death Now - Alan Watts


    How do you let go of fear? how far have you gone with it? 

    Please feel free to share with others your own philosophy and "ways" to overcome death. 

    For Example,

    My method is to "drift off" in meditation, completely submerging into the void.

    I've been interested in death since I was a kid, both scientifically and spiritually, but it's not that strange because I saw my mother die when I was 11, she had a heart attack at home.

    I have encountered death many times in my life (in my family-as everyone), and because I have worked in hospitals in various positions.
    (Here I must note how the modern society is alieanetad from the process of death, we have completely cut ourselves off from natural wisdom about born and death, which is our innate heritage here.)
    But I also have a very personal experience with "him".

    I often dream with a "group", 4-5 people, in my dreams we always here for a mission, stucked in time.
    Last December I had a very vivid dream with them. They invited me to a house, full with sunshine and showed me a a box, inside my contract for this life experience. The box was sealed. And they told me, this is my last life on the Earth, I will die soon, we've done our job here. And now we're going home.
    I woke up in the middle of the night, and I was in shock, the dream was so real  just like this moment.
    Talking about something or getting close to it is completely different thing. I've said a lot of "wise" things about this in my life, but when I have to face it... The least I can do is become humble and check/explore myself, my feelings, beliefs...

    (And one more thing, back to my Mom's death. The doctor successfully brought her back after a few minutes of "death." My father an his father were there too... and my Mom had a really bad relationship with her father in law...
    But guess what happened. When she opened her eyes, she looked around and looked at her father-in-law,grabbed his hand... And in her very last words  apologized to him for their bad relationship. And than she died.
    The power of the forgiveness.)

    (07-24-2022, 08:38 AM)J.W. Wrote:
    (07-21-2022, 07:13 AM)Veszna Wrote:
    (06-03-2022, 02:45 AM)J.W. Wrote: One of the highest detachment is to "let it be"

    Consider Death Now - Alan Watts


    How do you let go of fear? how far have you gone with it? 

    Please feel free to share with others your own philosophy and "ways" to overcome death. 

    For Example,

    My method is to "drift off" in meditation, completely submerging into the void.

    I've been interested in death since I was a kid, both scientifically and spiritually, but it's not that strange because I saw my mother die when I was 11, she had a heart attack at home.

    I have encountered death many times in my life (in my family-as everyone), and because I have worked in hospitals in various positions.
    (Here I must note how the modern society is alieanetad from the process of death, we have completely cut ourselves off from natural wisdom about born and death, which is our innate heritage here.)
    But I also have a very personal experience with "him".

    I often dream with a "group", 4-5 people, in my dreams we always here for a mission, stucked in time.
    Last December I had a very vivid dream with them. They invited me to a house, full with sunshine and showed me a a box, inside my contract for this life experience. The box was sealed. And they told me, this is my last life on the Earth, I will die soon, we've done our job here. And now we're going home.
    I woke up in the middle of the night, and I was in shock, the dream was so real  just like this moment.
    Talking about something or getting close to it is completely different thing. I've said a lot of "wise" things about this in my life, but when I have to face it... The least I can do is become humble and check/explore myself, my feelings, beliefs...

    (And one more thing, back to my Mom's death. The doctor successfully brought her back after a few minutes of "death." My father an his father were there too... and my Mom had a really bad relationship with her father in law...
    But guess what happened. When she opened her eyes, she looked around and looked at her father-in-law,grabbed his hand... And in her very last words  apologized to him for their bad relationship. And than she died.
    The power of the forgiveness.)

    I hope it is not weird for me to say that I love you Veszna, 
    thank you for being.. and sharing your experience, 

    other-selves will look upon this, and share your love.

    No, the best thing what we can do in this reality to share our unique God-spark, and say :I love you "Brother and Sister" , this is our true nature. 
    We all know each other from an other place, just we forgot, but you see...although semi blindly, but we all seek those "old" relationships. 
    I love you too dear.
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