04-21-2011, 03:17 PM
As of Friday, August 5th, 2022, the Bring4th forums on this page have been converted to a permanent read-only archive. If you would like to continue your journey with Bring4th, the new forums are now at https://discourse.bring4th.org.
You are invited to enjoy many years worth of forum messages brought forth by our community of seekers. The site search feature remains available to discover topics of interest. (July 22, 2022)
x
04-21-2011, 03:26 PM
(04-21-2011, 02:55 PM)Azrael Wrote: The only problem with a reading a book about the Mayans is that the Mayans will not have written the book. Through my Gnostic examinations they practice a form of dream yoga and astral projection to access the Akashic Records and examine the memories of time, at least modernly, and in this way were able to ask the Mayans themselves. Afterall, are we not all just memories in time? Under the Law of One, all time must also be simultaneous, so any point of time should be accessible from any other. I recently met a long-time Gnostic Anthropologist whom I intend to ask a bit about these sorts of things. I have always wished to have the ability to see the world as these mysterious people saw it, even if for only an instant......
04-21-2011, 03:27 PM
Hahahahahahaha
thus concludes the journey begun with the historical words "thine eye...."
04-21-2011, 03:29 PM
Well perhaps we should have a thread entitled "True tales from a Swedish Nurse". This would probably get us a lot of new visitors wandering in from Google......
04-21-2011, 03:37 PM
Eddie, perhaps you will find this interesting then: http://psychedelicadventure.blogspot.com...uasca.html
04-21-2011, 03:59 PM
(04-21-2011, 03:29 PM)Eddie Wrote: Well perhaps we should have a thread entitled "True tales from a Swedish Nurse". This would probably get us a lot of new visitors wandering in from Google...... ROFL!!! _____________________________________________________________ (Sorry, I always seem to derail threads with some sexual humour. I need to stop doing that!)
04-21-2011, 04:10 PM
04-21-2011, 04:19 PM
04-21-2011, 05:14 PM
I see that you have some perticular distortions when swedish nurses are mentioned, my brother. Maybe you might seek a doctor that can help you with that?
04-21-2011, 05:57 PM
(04-21-2011, 05:14 PM)Ankh Wrote: I see that you have some perticular distortions when swedish nurses are mentioned, my brother. Maybe you might seek a doctor that can help you with that?By the way, sorry about the Swiss emblem on the uniform. I looked really, really hard at lots and lots of Swedish nurse pics, but I couldn't find one with a blue + white emblem.
04-21-2011, 06:01 PM
(04-21-2011, 02:37 PM)Azrael Wrote: sexuality is a very powerful gateway to intelligent infinity and I have heard teachings of Sacred Sexuality where it is used as a primary gateway. Definitely (04-21-2011, 02:37 PM)Azrael Wrote: This was supposed to have been practiced by the Mayans and others, Taoists, Hindus, Pagans...many cultures and traditions have sacred sexuality teachings. (04-21-2011, 02:37 PM)Azrael Wrote: I believe this is also part of the context in which sacrifices were placed, the penetration of the blade and release of the heart was like an orgasm. Orgasm for the executioner, apparently. That is a primary premise of black magick...the epitome of STS.
04-21-2011, 07:01 PM
Ah, but whether or not the sacrifices were volunteery or not, the orgasm could have very well been mutual.
04-21-2011, 07:05 PM
(04-21-2011, 07:01 PM)Azrael Wrote: Ah, but whether or not the sacrifices were volunteery or not, the orgasm could have very well been mutual. If you're referring to animal sacrifice, that is never voluntary. If human sacrifice, then any human willing to be ritually sacrificed is likely to have been indoctrinated into believing that it's appropriate...thus it's still a result of STS influence/control. It all sounds really creepy to me. (just my opinion!) (04-21-2011, 07:37 PM)Azrael Wrote: for the sake of spiritual development it doesn't seem unrealistic that some would welcome death with the ascertainment of a reincarnation. Death by violence? (04-21-2011, 07:37 PM)Azrael Wrote: The modern fear of death did not exist in that time, they did not have attachment to their forms in the way many of us do now. Respectfully, I'm not so sure about that. There has been a veil in place all this time, and our 3D bodies have a built-in survival instinct. (04-21-2011, 07:37 PM)Azrael Wrote: Is death really such a horrible thing? No, not at all. But it's not death I'm questioning; it's ritual sacrifice, which I associate with the power and control of the STS path. (04-21-2011, 07:37 PM)Azrael Wrote: that sounds like it is to say animals have no awareness of their place or situation, Welcome to Bring4th, Azrael! I'm chuckling, because, as you get to know me, you will find that I am a fierce advocate for animals, precisely because they do have awareness, as well as the capacity to feel pain (04-21-2011, 07:37 PM)Azrael Wrote: but since Free Will is one of the basic constituents of the universe wouldn't that mean that animals also have a "plan" set out for themselves prior to descending? My understanding from Ra is that the evolution of 2D entities is pretty much automatic, and even 3D entities receive assistance from their Higher Selves in programming their 3D curriculum. At some point in their 3D evolution, entities begin to consciously participate in that process. Animals having awareness isn't the same as consciously choosing their lifetime's agenda, to the point of choosing to be sacrificed. This has been discussed at length in this thread. A common argument from those who eat animals is that the animals choose to be slaughtered. I disagree. But we can discuss that topic is the other thread, if you wish (so as not to sidetrack this one). (04-21-2011, 07:37 PM)Azrael Wrote: Some say animals are not "ensouled" in the same way humans are, but how would that explain the sentience of Cetaceans? (Dolphins and whales) If everything evolves according to the laws, then I can't see this being an exception for animals. As you progress through the Law of One books, you will find these issues addressed by Ra. Dolphins and whales are 3D entities. (04-21-2011, 07:37 PM)Azrael Wrote: Also, "indoctrination" sounds like an excuse to avoid individual responsibility, Those who are indoctrinated don't take responsibility for themselves, because they are just following their leaders. That's not to say they aren't responsible; just that they aren't aware of their own responsibility. That is a core component of what it means to be indoctrinated. (04-21-2011, 07:37 PM)Azrael Wrote: All is ultimately One, there is no good and evil, service to self is service to others and vice versa, they are the same thing in essence. Ultimately, yes. However, 4D-5D and part of 6D can last a very long time. From our perspective, that time spent will be quite different, if we are on the STO path vs the STS path. We are in the density of Choice. At this nexus, they aren't the same thing in essence. They are different; thus 3D entities must choose. (04-21-2011, 07:37 PM)Azrael Wrote: Really, it comes down to personal tastes, even darkness and sacrifice can be positively polarized if utilized mutually. That would depend on your definitions of those terms. What is darkness? It's lack of radiating. Radiating light is the hallmark of the STO path. Thus, darkness, ie. lack of radiating, is of the STS path. That's what the STS path is. What is sacrifice? Jesus allowed himself to be sacrificed, in order to prove a point, to demonstrate near-100 % green ray love and forgiveness. But he did that from a position of strength and focus. I don't think I would put his act in the same category as that of an entity allowing themselves to be dominated by a more powerful, controlling entity. My understanding is that Jesus wasn't dominated or controlled. That is the difference. (04-21-2011, 07:37 PM)Azrael Wrote: as much as I appreciate and approve of the Law of One teachings from Confederation standpoints I still find that they work towards their own particular polarization in a way no different from those follow the STS path. Everything evolves, nothing stops, we all have our place, there is no one way except infinite. Is the glass of water half empty or half full? It all depends on which aspects you choose to focus on. Sure there are some ways that might be the same, but there are numerous ways in which the process is drastically different.
lol!!! And here comes Monica and her dolphins
(04-21-2011, 07:37 PM)Azrael Wrote: Keep in mind that Ra also developed upon a particular path as a societal memory complex, even expressing they did not have the same conditions and fear to contend with through their development, so as much as I appreciate and approve of the Law of One teachings from Confederation standpoints I still find that they work towards their own particular polarization in a way no different from those follow the STS path. The Law of One teachings can only come from Confederation, my brother, as this kind of "philosophy" means to see all things, all beings, all emotions, all events as unity and love/light, light/love. If you mean that Confederation standpoints are some kind of indoctrination, than the whole Law of One is indoctrination I suppose.
04-22-2011, 03:17 AM
(04-21-2011, 02:44 PM)Icaro Wrote: Interesting perspectives Azrael. I would like to pick up a book on the beliefs of the Mayans, and read the reasoning behind them. In this way, we might be able to trace the Mayan's perversion of the Confederation's teachings. It's a good point, why did the Mayan's go so wrong? After all, they had direct contact with the Ra group. They had Psilocybin beer enemas activating their red and indigo/pineal chakras simultaneously. They seemed to 'have it all'. I think one reason they went so far off the path of light, love and unity is because they went 'too fast'. Ra talks about Hitler in this sense and others who've accessed intelligent infinity; they've activated the highest (indigo) ray but without having developed / balanced the other rays. It's through the balancing, that stable metaphysical growth occurs. If you go straight to the 'top' ray so to speak, access all that power, it leads to an unstable personality. Thus the example of Hitler, who went insane. I think this is what led the Mayans away from the light. Hence the human sacrifices, which from what I read didn't seem very 'loving', and the building of an elite priesthood. Hence the Ra group leaving. Just a theory ... but I'd been pondering the Mayan and Egyptian situations recently, Icaros and Eddies posts triggered this connection.
04-22-2011, 07:14 AM
I somehow feel that the singleness of eye has to do with knowing that it is not we who seek the ONE, but it is the ONE who seeks through us. In that sense, I liked the following -
Faith-Mind Sutra (Hsin Hsin Ming) Seng Ts’an, 3rd Zen Patriarch 1. Tao is self-evident to one with no preferences. When like and dislike are absent, the Real is obvious and clear. Make the slightest distinction, however, and it appears disguised as heaven and earth. 2. If you wish to know Source, hold no opinions. To judge and choose is the disease of the mind. When Truth goes un-observed, the mind roils with self-centered striving. No good can come of this. 3. Tao is immaculate, empty. It lacks nothing, is nothing. Desire and aversion blind you to Suchness. 4. Do not become entangled in outer life, nor indulge in feelings of detachment. Serenely abide in what is, and all such dualities disappear. 5. When you impose stillness to stop activity, stillness becomes an activity. When you prefer one thing to another, you cannot abide in the One. Not abiding in the One, you are bound by both action and stillness. 6. Seeing appearances as real, you miss the Source. Seeing appearances as Void, you miss the show. The more you talk and think, the further astray you wander. Stop thinking and talking and All becomes known. 7. Returning to Source, one finds refuge. Pursuing appearances pulls you further away. At the moment of Enlightenment, neither appearances nor emptiness are known. Changes transpiring in an imaginary world are visible only to Ignorance. Do not seek Truth. Just stop having opinions. 8. Do not remain mired in the dual-natured world. Avoid pursuing its offerings. Distinguishing even a trace of right and wrong, of this and that, roots the mind in confusion. 9. The dual-natured world arises from One, but do not cling to ideas of Oneness. When the mind abides in Tao, the world cannot oppose it. Without opposites, the world cannot exist. 10. When discriminating thoughts cease to arise, the mind vanishes. When the mind vanishes, the world is seen as unreal. When the world is seen as unreal, the perceiver of the world cannot be found. 11. Objects appear as objects because the mind believes it is subject. In truth, subject and object are not separate. They arise as One from Emptiness and comprise the ten thousand things. If you do not discriminate between coarse and fine, how can preference and opinion arise? 12. Abiding in Tao is neither difficult nor easy—it simply is. But those with limiting beliefs, fearful and indecisive, waver constantly between eagerness and hesitation. The faster they hurry, the slower they go. 13. There are no degrees of attachment. Being attached even to the idea of Enlightenment preserves ignorance. Just let things be as they are. All is Here. There is no coming or going. 14. Tao is your very Nature. Seeing this, everything is clear—you walk free and undisturbed as Tao. When you are tied to mind-thoughts, everything is murky, confusing. The tiresome habit of judging saps energy, and makes peace of mind impossible. What benefit is derived from imagining distinctions and separations? 15. If you wish to abide in Tao, do not dislike the world you now experience. Indeed, to see there is no difference between Tao and world is Enlightenment itself. The wise man expends no effort. The foolish man ties himself in knots. 16. Tao is singular, solitary, indivisible. Distinctions are the imaginings of Ignorance. To seek Truth in the endless maze of the discriminating mind is a great mistake. 17. Activity and stillness transpire only in illusion. With Enlightenment there is nothing to like or dislike. The dual-natured world is a seeming, an inference, a flowery dream in air. How foolish to try to hold it. Loss and gain, right and wrong, coarse and fine... Let it all go. 18. If the eye never sleeps, dreaming stops. When the mind ceases to discriminate, the ten thousand things are seen to be of one Suchness. To fathom Suchness is to be released from bondage. When all things are seen as One, the timeless Self is Real-ized. This state cannot be described. No analogies are possible. 19. When movement stops, there is no movement. When there is no movement, there is nothing to stop. Both movement and rest disappear. Without such dualities, Oneness itself cannot exist. Nothing can be said about this ultimate condition. 20. When mind becomes Mind abiding in Tao, self-centered striving ceases. Irresolution and doubt vanish. Life unfolds in Faith. With a single stroke, bondage dissolves into freedom. Nothing remains to hold on to. 21. All is Void. Empty, clear, self-illuminating—it makes no effort. Thinking, feeling, imagining, knowing... These things have no place Here. In Suchness there is no self or other. 22. To come into harmony with Suchness, see everything as “Not-Two.” In Not-Two, nothing is separate, nothing left out. In all places and times, Enlightenment means becoming this single Truth. 23. The Real is not bound by time or space. Nothing defines it as large or small. A single thought spins ten thousand years. The thoughts of ten thousand years occur in a single moment. 24. Emptiness here, emptiness there, emptiness inside and out. The Universe in all its totality is thus arrayed before you. Boundaries and definitions do not exist. Infinitely large, infinitely small—no difference. So too with existence and non-existence. Don’t waste time arguing, and denying the Real. 25. The One is all things. All things are the One. Make no distinctions as you move about and mingle. When Enlightenment occurs, worries about attainment and perfection vanish. The Real cannot be divided. Faith-Mind and Source are Not-Two. 26. Words! Tao is beyond words. Yesterday never happened. Tomorrow never will. Today does not exist. (Translated by Bart Marshall) Source: http://newmoonmagazine.blogspot.com/2009...chive.html
04-22-2011, 07:37 AM
Number six caught my attention
04-22-2011, 07:39 AM
04-22-2011, 07:53 AM
me too
04-22-2011, 12:26 PM
It was loads of words and rules for it, Confused. For me singleness of the eye is the Law of One, which I allready mentioned in this thread. To see all things, all beings, all emotions, all events, all situations, in short to see all as ONE. That's it! Really.
04-22-2011, 10:58 PM
We seek within.
(04-22-2011, 12:26 PM)Ankh Wrote: To see all things, all beings, all emotions, all events, all situations, in short to see all as ONE. That's it! Really. It's a good interpretation. (04-22-2011, 10:58 PM)Azrael Wrote: If you look at the utmost with which you give precedence to these particular teachings, and the steadfastness of the assertion that they are all encompassing, it shows that indeed there is some indoctrination happening here. Of course, this is only a surface level observation and by all means I would like to read more in to the material to have some of my questions answered. Please do read more. You won't regret it! In terms of the indoctrination you speak of, I can understand why you would say that. It might seem like that at first. However, if you check out 'the sons of the Law of One' podcasts on the internet, you will find that other channelled sources, mirror the Law of One very closely. Are ALL of these people being indoctrinated? ... you be the judge.
04-23-2011, 07:23 AM
(04-22-2011, 12:26 PM)Ankh Wrote: To see all things, all beings, all emotions, all events, all situations, in short to see all as ONE. That's it! Really. Yes, dear Ankh, very true. Most simple in essence, but extremely difficult for me to put it in practice. I would even say that I will find it impossible, definitely in this lifetime. To know that the Law is One is a blessed state and feeling. But how do I live it? I suffer in that area and I bow in humility before the majesty of the ONE within and without, to help me and guide me. I do not know whether the path I am taking is right or justifiable, but it is the path that brings me relief from the terrors of the past and the fears of the future. More importantly, it allows me to face the present without tremors in the deepness of my soul. As the ONE scans the entirety of my being, it will find pockets of deep confusion and raging volcanic inner fury. I hope I move into a state of viable balance, and I am grateful to all here for helping me in that process. (04-23-2011, 07:23 AM)Confused Wrote: To know that the Law is One is a blessed state and feeling. But how do I live it? I suffer in that area and I bow in humility before the majesty of the ONE within and without, to help me and guide me. Dear Brother, have you tried the balancing Ra suggests in Book 1? Do you practice meditation and contemplation every day? Please do try to find the "heart of self". As Carla says in book 5, meditation isn't for everyone, but if you put some time into it, you will find some benefit I promise
04-23-2011, 11:03 AM
04-23-2011, 02:44 PM
(04-23-2011, 07:23 AM)Confused Wrote: Yes, dear Ankh, very true. My brother, there is something that I've wanted to speak with you of, but never had an opportunity, but here it comes again so I will write to you after the Easter break by email, as my family takes almost all of my time right now. Love and light! You are in my thoughts and heart, my beautiful brother!
04-23-2011, 03:53 PM
(04-23-2011, 07:23 AM)Confused Wrote:(04-22-2011, 12:26 PM)Ankh Wrote: To see all things, all beings, all emotions, all events, all situations, in short to see all as ONE. That's it! Really. Dear Confused, Any of us could use your handle, at least at different times. We tend to post in these fora when we think we have a clue, but that doesn't mean we are loaded with them. At least I know I'm not. Even Wanderers have baggage when plopping into this world; some maybe by pre-programming to help them fit in and enforce the Law of Confusion, and some by their status at the time, IMO. Thanks for posting the Sutra. It means a lot to me. |
|