04-30-2011, 01:09 AM
(04-30-2011, 12:34 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: But certainly another STS entity would know this, right? Why would they trust each other? Why would an STS group channel an STS entity when we can't know if they're telling the truth or not? It would seem to make STS channeling pointless to the eyes of the channeler, yet it still happens. And I know that STSers aren't naive nor stupid, and still there is trust.
That presupposes the STS channeler is aware that s/he is STS.
Many fancy themselves STO.
(04-30-2011, 12:34 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: On top of that, Ra says that they don't lie to STS channels. They provide no exceptions to this statement. It seems to me that these things combined suggests that STS entities CAN be trusted by STS channelers.
Perhaps, since the info is STS anyway. But that doesn't mean they can be trusted by us.
(04-30-2011, 12:34 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: This is where I'm getting confused, because Ra clearly tells us that they don't find it necessary to lie to STS channelers. I can definitely imagine some gain to be had from manipulating any open channel, why only manipulate the STO?
Ra didn't say they manipulate only the STO.
(04-30-2011, 12:34 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: What do you have to say about the Ra quote, saying STS channeled beings do not find it necessary to lie to STS channelers? Ra pointed out that lies and manipulation were presented to STO channelers, and specifically stated differently about STS channelers.
STS channelers, if they're consciously aware that they're STS, are ok with receiving STS info.
STO channelers would not accept the info if they knew it was STS. Hence, the STS entities lie...they pretend to be STO, so as to gain the trust of the STO channelers.
And thus deceive with their lies.
The deception is that they present themselves as STO, but are actually STS.
Or, they might present themselves as STS who have decided to 'serve' STO's, which alone is so preposterous that the only way to believe it is if one falls prey to their deception.
(04-30-2011, 12:34 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: So you are saying that the STSers learn from their teachers' lies?
Sure! They learn how to lie!
(04-30-2011, 12:34 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I can definitely see that, but what about Ra saying that straight STS philosophy is dispensed? It would not be considered STS philosophy itself if it were a lie...possibly STS lessons, but STS philosophy would be straightforward.
What better way to learn deception than by being deceived?