Prehistory of L/L

[Tenet Nosce]

I have begun to take a keen interest in the origins of L/L after the (re)surfacing of transcripts of contact with Hatonn throgh a group in the Detroit, Michigan area throughout the 50s and 60s. The group was called Man, Consciousness, & Understanding and two of the members were Walt Rogers and Hal Price.

Both sides of my family lived in the Detroit area, and both of my parents were born in the early fifties. I have long felt personally connected to this work, but haven't until recently known of this possible link. I suspect that my grandfather, Leonard, was possibly connected.

Also, in my recent investigations I have uncovered that those of Hatonn were hoping/planning to openly reveal themselves to humanity in August 1977, shortly after my birth. For some reason, I have had some blockage toward Hatonn manifesting as anger/irritation and never really understood why. I have found in the past their dwelling upon the life of Jesus to be somewhat irritating, as well as their one-pointedness on unconditional love.

Interestingly, it appears to be turning out that the energy/words of Hatonn are just what I need right now to deal with a personal situation. So that is very interesting.

Anyway, here are some links to info on the prehistory of L/L Research. If anybody has any additional information and/or comments to offer, they would be most welcome.

http://www.llresearch.org/origins/origins_toc.aspx
http://www.llresearch.org/speeches/speec..._0000.aspx
http://www.llresearch.org/speeches/speec..._0320.aspx
http://www.llresearch.org/journals/camel..._02.aspx]]
http://www.llresearch.org/homecomings/ho...07_09.aspx
http://www.llresearch.org/journals/camel...08_01.aspx
http://www.llresearch.org/interviews/int..._0115.aspx

[Eddie]

The "Brown Notebook" is one of the best reads in the LLResearch library. I don't know why more people don't read it (let alone discuss it) here. I love it. In fact, I think I'll re-read it over the weekend.

For those of you who are casual observers or lurkers here, who want to know how we started,......open the Brown Notebook.

[Tenet Nosce]

http://www.llresearch.org/origins/brown_..._1958.aspx

Friday, October 10, 1958
Greetings, my son. I am happy to be with you this evening.
(Long pause.)
Greetings, my son. I’m sorry for the delay, but these things do happen. We try our best, but difficulties do happen. We thank you for your patience.
Tonight I would like to talk a little about the man you call Jesus. Many stories have been written about this man, but very few are true. This man has been glorified as the only true son of God. This is untrue. All mankind is the son of God, not just one.

This is interesting. I've wondered why Carla challenges entities in the name of "Jesus". Jesus was just a man... a wanderer who realized his true mission. No disrespect, but that kind of sounds to me like some bozos in the future challenging entities in the name of "Eddie" or "Tenet Nosce". Just seems kind of odd.

Thanks for sharing these.

[Ankh]

I guess because "Jesus" is a concept of unconditional love.

[Tenet Nosce]

I guess because "Jesus" is a concept of unconditional love.

I would say that Jesus embodied a concept of unconditional love. As does Hatonn. When Jesus died he was supposed to return to the larger life and continue his personal evolution. Jesus was a person. Check out this session, I think there are some important clues here:

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0103.aspx

Group question: We would like to ask Q’uo about guilt. When we feel guilt we are usually overtaken by the feeling and don’t know where it comes from. Could you give us information about where guilt comes from and how to work with guilt in our spiritual evolution.

(Carla channeling)

We are those of the principle known to you as Q’uo. We greet you with joy in the love and the light of the one infinite Creator. It is a great blessing for us to be called to your group, and we bless and thank each who is a part of the circle of seeking this day.

Your question concerns guilt, and as we talk upon this interesting subject we share opinion rather than speaking as authorities over you. We would ask that each who hears use personal discrimination, for that which we have to say is opinion and may or may not be that which is of help to you personally. If it does not constitute a resource for you, if it does not fit in with that which resonates with you, then we ask that you simply leave it behind and move on.

As this instrument was tuning and challenging our contact earlier, the instrument, as is her habit, challenged us three times. In the first two challenges our impression was that this instrument was exercising her own discrimination in being certain of the vibration received. However, in the third challenge the instrument carefully described that facet of Jesus the Christ which identifies this entity to her. The nailing of the body upon the tree of wood to take upon the self the sins of humankind, to love others to the point of death, is to this instrument the great characteristic of Christhood that has riveted the instrument’s mind for many years. And it is this characteristic which gives us a place to begin to speak about guilt.

The cultural religion, shall we say, differs from the pure religion in that the belief itself is eviscerated and removed, but the form remains. The non-Christian or secular expression of the Creator in Jesus the Christ, then, would be the golden rule in which one at least gives unto others as one would give to the self. But this cultural willingness to die for the sake of another as the highest good places a standard of service to others and giving without expectation of any return that is, in Earth terms, absolute. When one gives the life, one has given all and can not any longer give, for the incarnation has ended in that form. Naturally, gifts can continue to be given and, indeed, are far more easily given when discarnate. However, it is the incarnate aspect that creates the sacrifice of self for the good of another.

[kycahi]

This is interesting. I've wondered why Carla challenges entities in the name of "Jesus"... Just seems kind of odd.

Carla is a serious "Christian." For example, every year before Easter, she is very sad because at that time Jesus is about to be executed. Then on Easter Sunday, she is ecstatic because he arose. When well, she would go to her church and sing in the choir on Easter, jubilant with the Good News.

[Tenet Nosce]

This is interesting. I've wondered why Carla challenges entities in the name of "Jesus"... Just seems kind of odd.

Carla is a serious "Christian." For example, every year before Easter, she is very sad because at that time Jesus is about to be executed. Then on Easter Sunday, she is ecstatic because he arose. When well, she would go to her church and sing in the choir on Easter, jubilant with the Good News.

Of course, Carla is free to be as "serious" as she wants! What sometimes saddens me is that it appears that most of the JOY seems to have been edited out of the history of Jesus, as it has been passed down to us. What we know of the life of the wanderer "Jesus" has become HEAVILY DISTORTED. Certain bits have been edited out, others have been twisted.

So I can see why a 6D entity hailing from the far-flung reaches of the multiverse might have difficulty passing communication through the "narrow band" of a distorted view of the personality known as "Jesus". I wonder what kind of contact the group might get if they experimented more with the challenging process.

For example, one could challenge in the "name" of "unconditional love" or "peace" or "joy". This would provide the desired "protection" while offering a more "broad band" of communication to these entities. I suspect this may also reduce the toll that channeling takes on Carla's body in the form of autoimmune disease.

Remember, autoimmune means "self attacking self".

Anyway, just my thoughts. Carla is a big girl, and can make her own decisions. If/when she croaks she will undoubtedly see the humor/folly in challenging 6D entities in the name of "Jesus". All is well.