Children and Ascension
01-07-2009, 10:42 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-07-2009, 10:43 PM by Enki.)
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Children and Ascension
Hello all,

I have been talking with my partner off and on about children recently. She is not a follower of the LoO. She does, however, radiate an amazing light of compassion and I am sure, with or without knowledge of it, she will be by my side for the transition.

So, she wants children while I am hesitant about it. There is little to no information about children and ascension. The children incarnating today with understandings of the 4D are not truly "ascending" as they already inhabit a 4D body.

As far as I understand some of the children who are incarnating now are not wanderers in the sense of a mission/work anymore. That phase is over with, now we are just riding it out and those incarnating currently are here for the harvest experience and Terra/Gaia will be their 4D home. They are simply the first through the door.

Now I don't think all children being born now are of this persuasion. I know that there is a seniority list as to who incarnates closer and closer to harvest day, and souls better able to use the energies as springboard into 4D have a better place in line.... but does that mean that all new entries are ready for harvest?

Certainly if the rate of animals moving forward is increasing then this cannot be true. As those souls will be entry level 3D not exit level as they are incarnating. There is a huge amount of material pertaining to harvest rights and methodology but in the end all remains cloaked in mystery.

LoO:
Questioner: Would the purpose in transitioning to Earth prior to the
complete changeover then be for the experience to be gained here before the
harvesting process?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. These entities are not Wanderers in the sense
that this planetary sphere is their fourth-density home planet. However, the
experience of this service is earned only by those harvested third-density
entities which have demonstrated a great deal of orientation towards serviceto-
others. It is a privilege to be allowed this early an incarnation as there is
much experiential catalyst in service to other-selves at this harvesting.

Questioner: There are many children now who have demonstrated the
ability to bend metal mentally which is a fourth-density phenomenon.
Would most of these children, then, be the type of entity of which we
speak?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Questioner: Is the reason that they can do this and the fifth-density
Wanderers who are here cannot do it the fact that they have the fourthdensity
body in activation?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Wanderers are third-density activated in
mind/body/spirit and are subject to the forgetting which can only be
penetrated with disciplined meditation and working.

Questioner: I am assuming that the reason for this is, first, since the entities
of harvestable third-density who very recently have been coming here are
coming here late enough so that they will not affect the polarization
through their teachings. They are not infringing upon the first distortion
because they are children now and they won’t be old enough to really affect
any of the polarization until the transition is well advanced. However, the
Wanderers who have come here are older and have a greater ability to affect
the polarization. They must do their affecting as a function of their ability
to penetrate the forgetting process in order to be within the first distortion.
Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is quite correct.


In the final question it states "I am assuming that the reason for this is, first, since the entities of harvestable third-density who very recently have been coming here are coming here late enough so that they will not affect the polarization through their teachings."

Ra states that this information is correct.... yet this was written nearly 30 years ago..... which means the children being born.. well.. when I was born cannot affect the polarization? Because they are too close to the end of the cycle?

This is obviously not correct as here I am, sharing and being of service. Does that mean my actions do not have the capability to polarize another entity? To help polarize humanity positively?

Unless it means they will not be old enough to be in positions of power by that time meaning the wanderers are people in their 40's onwards which also doesn't feel right to me...

I could see how that statement would be correct say... 6 years from harvest day but how it is correct nearly 30 years from that date I do not know.

LoO:
Questioner: Can you explain what you mean by a seniority by vibration?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the final question of this session of working.
The seniority by vibration is the preferential treatment, shall we say, which
follows the ways of the Law of One which encourages harvestable
individuals, each individual becoming aware of the time of harvest and the
need on a self-level to bend mind/body/spirit towards the learn/teaching of
these lessons, by giving them priority in order that an entity may have the
best possible chance, shall we say, in succeeding in this attempt.


Here is very direct info about the seniority of vibration being a major sway in the incarnative process. So entities coming from elsewhere get to incarnate based on seniority, whereas entities from here are still chugging along as usual, even more so now that pets are such a major part of first world cultures.

That means the odds of your child being harvestable are up in the air? If a child is not harvestable then it would be filtered and placed somewhere else to continue 3D experience with the harvest being a powerful catalyst in the continuation of its seeking.

If one is not willing to leave their child in the transition does that mean they are choosing to stay? Being unattached to the 3D world and everything in it is integral in the forward movement. One must leave behind that which is no longer of the same vibration if one is to move forward. Like the separation of oil and water, the energies will no longer be cohesive.

I would imagine a strong earthly attachment would lead one to choose to remain, as in the end it is totally up to the individual soul whether it moves forward or not. One must become free of any binding energies in order to progress.....

Perhaps I will wait a few years before I seriously consider having kids... like 10. We will see what has happened at that point. As releasing them would be a difficult choice for me to make and I don't need to get caught in the wheel. I am pretty sure you can still "procreate" in 4D in one way or another, as there are multiple lifecycles in 4D existance.

Just some thoughts, if anyone has anything to add please feel free to do so
Continue Spiraling Ever Upwards,
Austin

~I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it
does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not
of this density.
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01-07-2009, 11:05 PM,
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RE: Children and Ascension
Hi Enki!

Wow, you covered a lot of ground in that post!

First, I can completely empathize with your (perceived) dilemma. My husband and I hesitated about having children 25 years ago...we thought there would be full-blown disaster by the late 1980s!

We saw children being born all around us...and ended up deciding to have children. We are so glad we did!

I think, ultimately, the decision to have a child is to invite in new opportunities for love, joy, and growth.

I don't have answers to all your questions...I shall have to ponder some of them...but what really struck me was your concern about 'leaving behind' your child. Based on the more recent Q'uo material, I don't think there is cause for concern. Life will continue!

I'd like to direct you to the transcript in the 'Sessions in Focus' thread entitled 2006.01.01 End of 3D - No Fear. I think this will shed a great deal of light on your questions! Please let us know what you think, after you read that. I think you will be pleasantly surprised!

According to (my understanding of) this transcript, the children who have incarnated up until this point are the last of those who can make their choice in 3D. Some are Wanderers, some are dual-activated...and some are the last of the 3D entities, in their last 3D incarnation here. The window is closing to any new incarnations of those who want to make their choice here.

As for the animals, I had assumed that harvestable animals would be escorted to the 3D planet along with those choosing to stay in 3D. But I sort of assumed that our 2D furry friends would still be with us...younger souls who will be our beloved pets when we are 4D! But I'm not too sure about that. I'm not sure what you meant with your reference to 3rd world countries...could you please clarify?

And, as for YOU affecting the polarization, the question reads "since the entities of harvestable third-density who very recently have been coming here are coming here late enough so that they will not affect the polarization" meaning those who are not Wanderers.

Clearly, Wanderers DO affect the polarization; that is the whole point!

Maybe you are a Wanderer! Wink
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01-07-2009, 11:49 PM,
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RE: Children and Ascension
I appreciate your reply and will check out that session.
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My statement about animals in the first world is that, in our modernized societies so many of us keep animals as "pets" and have constant interactions with them on a daily basis, thus being in a learn/teach teach/learn situation. I am of the assumption that by living in that environment, by interacting with humans constantly and in a loving manner, animals are gaining experiences that are allowing them to progress the path from 2d to 3d at an accelerated pace vs. their counterparts that may be existing in a less than loving situation (I.E. work animals/food animals/strays)
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you stated "The window is closing to any new incarnations of those who want to make their choice here."
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Are you saying that any who incarnated past that point do not have a choice? I was of the understanding that even at the final moment we could deny the opportunity to move forwards. Or are you saying that the "choice" to go from 3D to 4D is already decided if they incarnated past that point, but the ability to choose not too still remains?
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That is the purpose of free will after all... to have a choice.
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Also, you said that "Some are Wanderers, some are dual-activated..and some are the last of the 3D entities, in their last 3D incarnation here....." Does that mean that no humans who have incarnated here beyond that point are 3D? All children being born are beyond 3D? I don't know how well that resonates with me. I know many many people in my age group who do not resonate love, wisdom, compassion, or any of the traits of an STO entity. As a matter of fact the majority of people in my age group I have known (I had a rough upbringing, I was poor and in a high crime area) have been very much STS oriented...
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Now if you are saying that.. for example.. someone was born in 1986, they were 3D, they died, they could not incarnate again because they already came once after that tipping point so they couldn't experience a second 3D incarnation here? Since it is their last 3D incarnation?
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That's the beauty of this dance I suppose, every seeker has an original view and no one truly has the answers. All we can do is stand and wonder, whether or not we wonder aloud is a matter of free will Smile
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As to whether or not I am a wanderer. I put thought into it in the past, but I have come to the opinion that whether I am or I am not is inconsequential, for in the now I am me and the me I am is wonderful Regardless of its origins. Wanderer, StarSeed, Ascended Master, Messiah and Devil. All are simply titles and titles only serve to separate.
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Also... I am hesitant about having children for many reasons. The lack of knowledge about the possible effects of an esoteric science is one of the less pertinent of them. It is more my wanting to give the child every opportunity to experience the love and abundance I did not have for my youth. More so a out loud musing of thoughts than something that is actually applicable to my personal experience Wink Suppose I could have been more clear about that in the beginning.
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Once again thank you for your reply, I never got into the Q'uo material much, perhaps I should give it a read as well...
Continue Spiraling Ever Upwards,
Austin

~I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it
does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not
of this density.
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01-08-2009, 01:54 AM,
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RE: Children and Ascension
Great post, Austin, and I agree with DreamingPeace that you covered a lot of subject matter that would be difficult to answer in conjunction with your other related questions. The reason it might be difficult is because an answer to you would be absolute, and since parts of your questions are no absolute, it becomes more a matter of speculation from other sources of information, such as the ones you cited.

My personal feeling is that we're done incarnating in 3rd density, and those who are coming in right now are dual-activated. Why dual? Because we still have 3rd density remnants, and each entity must be able to vibrate in this fashion, or else we would not physically see them! Don't forget that 4th density has purposefully decided not to make itself known to us. So to have entities here who are solely 4D, does not compute to me. But I do believe that once our existing society makes the cross-over into the new energy field of fourth density, our offspring will then be able to take on a full 4D persona. The question to me is, can traditional 3rd density entities ascend enough to be a part of this entrance into 4D, or must a physical death occur first? It still remains confusing to me what happens to 3D matter when we move into 4D. I understand there will be a transition of over 100 years once 4D starts. My only guess is that this overlapping period exists to allow the traditional 3D entity to expire naturally.

As far as children go, I just had two new babies with my wife in the past two years. My outlook is one that is completely positive, because if anything were to happen from a parent-child relationship, it would be done with the love and understanding that is inherent to 4D. I can't perceive myself being at odds with losing my two babies, only because it is our ego perceiving this. Outside the veil, we realize that life is eternal, and the relationship to the entities you helped to bring in would actually feel "closer" to you than you might feel on this veiled planet.

Also, a child who is coming back to earth at this time to assist with the harvest is one who has very likely already finished with 3rd density and has been harvested. So when it's showtime and we find our ways to communicate with our surrounding entities, I am guessing our little babies be teaching us more than we could possibly know behind the veil.

I'm finding this to be a challenge to discuss in such a broad sense... I'd like to continue participating in the conversation, but I'll need to do it in some bite-sized chunks instead.. Wink

Hope that is food for thought?
Steve
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01-08-2009, 02:15 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-01-2016, 11:54 AM by Lavazza.)
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RE: Children and Ascension
I've had many thoughts on this subject since I first got in to the Law of One teachings, and ultimately I still don't have clear answers about it. But have some insights.

If the harvest is more gradual as the 1-1-06 Q'uo transcript indicates it will be, then there is no worry about this issue. This is the way I would expect a harvest to happen, transition to 4D by the natural process of living and eventually dying of old age or what have you. There is a large number of people who believe that this is not the case however, that instead it will be a sudden shift (more like a rapture). The Ra material seems to indicate that this is the case. The Q'uo material says otherwise. I would say that Q'uo has the authority here since it is more recently channeled, and anyway it is explained in earlier transcripts that Ra is a part of Q'uo. But the people who support the sudden shift idea say that because Q'uo is consciously channeled it is less accurate than the Ra material! For myself, I don't have enough information to say if this is something to think more about or not. The jury is still out. But the Q'uo material seems to resonate more with me.
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01-08-2009, 02:18 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-08-2009, 02:27 AM by Enki.)
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RE: Children and Ascension
I appreciate your feedback. I suppose it is a really broad area to take on at once. It wasn't really meant to be a question per se... just my sharing of my personal psuedo-understanding of the situation at large. Notice I asked questions and then posited my own answer to them in the OP.
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Perhaps if I chose small specific areas to discuss it would make the learn/teach interaction flow more fluently.
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If one had a child, do you believe that child would necessarily be "ascension material" because of the time-frame?
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Now my thoughts;
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All children being born now do not seem to be "elevated entities" from what my intuition tells me.... there are still children being born that are not here to experience the ascension as a movement into another form of soul experience, but more to experience it as a catalyst. Entities can experience harvest and not move forward through it but in the next major cycle it would be a powerful tool to carry with them. It has happened on earth more than once that harvests have come and gone with not a single entity "progressing".
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Thoughts on the matter?
Thank you for your insights Lavazza. It was eloquently stated.
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I suppose I should probably read the transcripts from the Q'uo channelings. I have been studying the Law of One for a good portion of my life (close to half, the final session took place a few months before I was born) and you are correct in the fact that it is quite clear on the idea that the harvest is an event, not a gradual occurance.
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Questioner: What is the length, in our years, of one of these cycles?

Ra: I am Ra. One major cycle is approximately 25,000 of your years. There
are three cycles of this nature during which those who have progressed may
be harvested at the end of three major cycles. That is, approximately
between 75 and 76,000 of your years. All are harvested regardless of their
progress, for during that time the planet itself has moved through the useful
part of that dimension and begins to cease being useful for the lower levels
of vibration within that density.

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Which falls very nicely into all of my other avenues of research such as the coming transit of Hanub Ku and the emerging of the fifth world.
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Another thing I would like to point out is the idea that the harvest is closely watched and is a very streamlined process. So the idea of the separation of loved ones is hard to wrap ones head around for certain...
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Continue Spiraling Ever Upwards,
Austin

~I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it
does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not
of this density.
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01-08-2009, 06:24 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-08-2009, 07:14 PM by Monica.)
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RE: Children and Ascension
(01-07-2009, 11:49 PM)Enki Wrote:  you stated "The window is closing to any new incarnations of those who want to make their choice here."
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Are you saying that any who incarnated past that point do not have a choice? I was of the understanding that even at the final moment we could deny the opportunity to move forwards. Or are you saying that the "choice" to go from 3D to 4D is already decided if they incarnated past that point, but the ability to choose not too still remains?
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That is the purpose of free will after all... to have a choice.
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Also, you said that "Some are Wanderers, some are dual-activated..and some are the last of the 3D entities, in their last 3D incarnation here....." Does that mean that no humans who have incarnated here beyond that point are 3D? All children being born are beyond 3D? I don't know how well that resonates with me. I know many many people in my age group who do not resonate love, wisdom, compassion, or any of the traits of an STO entity. As a matter of fact the majority of people in my age group I have known (I had a rough upbringing, I was poor and in a high crime area) have been very much STS oriented...
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Now if you are saying that.. for example.. someone was born in 1986, they were 3D, they died, they could not incarnate again because they already came once after that tipping point so they couldn't experience a second 3D incarnation here? Since it is their last 3D incarnation?

This thread is getting some excellent responses! All very insightful.

Austin, I agree about the animals. Our pets have a greater opportunity to become sentient; thus harvestable to 3D, than their wild or factory-farmed counterparts.

What I understood from the aforementioned session is that the window is closing right about now for any new entities to incarnate for the purpose of experiencing 3D reality in order to choose STS or STO polarization. Thus, any new babies being born from here on are either Wanderers, or have already been harvested and have volunteered to come back and assist the transition. Since the window is just now closing, this only applies to babies being born now and in the future.

Those of your generation, and many of the very young children, could be in the category I just described, or they might be the last of the 3D entities incarnating for the purpose of choosing their polarity. Therefore, they might not necessarily be any more loving or wise than anyone else. (and some of them might be polarizing to STS!) But they got in because they're in the best position to utilize catalyst.

Those 3D entities who are already here still have full free will. The only choice that's been lost is that those who didn't have sufficient seniority to incarnate here before the window closed no longer have that opportunity. But this has nothing to do with the free will of those who are already here.

This is just my understanding, For what it's worth!
(01-08-2009, 02:18 AM)Enki Wrote:  If one had a child, do you believe that child would necessarily be "ascension material" because of the time-frame?
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Now my thoughts;
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All children being born now do not seem to be "elevated entities" from what my intuition tells me.... there are still children being born that are not here to experience the ascension as a movement into another form of soul experience, but more to experience it as a catalyst. Entities can experience harvest and not move forward through it but in the next major cycle it would be a powerful tool to carry with them. It has happened on earth more than once that harvests have come and gone with not a single entity "progressing".
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Another thing I would like to point out is the idea that the harvest is closely watched and is a very streamlined process. So the idea of the separation of loved ones is hard to wrap ones head around for certain...
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Since the window is closing right about now, the children incarnating after the closing of the window are either very young or not here yet...any children old enough to display discernable STS or STO characteristics probably jumped in before the window closed. So, I don't think we can really make an assessment about any children already born.

As for some souls incarnating now to experience the Harvest, I don't really know...but I think when that happened before, it was because there were no souls, or few souls, to harvest. Our situation might be very different. We have a very polluted and damaged planet in need of healing. My understanding from Q'uo is that any souls who've already been harvested but then elect to come back, do so for the healing of Earth. And some of us might get to stick around, if our 3D vehicles are strong enough, to help Earth thru the transition.

I find this very heartening!

Then, add to that, the knowledge that the newest generation will be those of a high vibration, it seems that we have a peaceful, harmonious society to look forward to in the next couple of generations! WOW!

This is just me (not trying to influence your decision!), but if I were young, I would find the idea of having one (or some) of those special 4D babies very exciting!
(01-08-2009, 02:18 AM)Enki Wrote:  Another thing I would like to point out is the idea that the harvest is closely watched and is a very streamlined process. So the idea of the separation of loved ones is hard to wrap ones head around for certain...

I agree! I can't fathom the vibration of love requiring a separation from those we love. Say, what?? That would make no sense.
(01-08-2009, 02:15 AM)Lavazza Wrote:  I've had many thoughts on this subject since I first got in to the Law of One teachings, and ultimately I still don't have clear answers about it. But have some insights.

If the harvest is more gradual as the 1-1-06 Q'uo transcript indicates it will be, then there is no worry about this issue. This is the way I would expect a harvest to happen, transition to 4D by the natural process of living and eventually dying of old age or what have you. There is a large number of people who believe that this is not the case however, that instead it will be a sudden shift (more like a rapture). The Ra material seems to indicate that this is the case. The Q'uo material says otherwise. I would say that Q'uo has the authority here since it is more recently channeled, and anyway it is explained in earlier transcripts that Ra is a part of Q'uo. But the people who support the sudden shift idea say that because Q'uo is consciously channeled it is less accurate than the Ra material! For myself, I don't have enough information to say if this is something to think more about or not. The jury is still out. But the Q'uo material seems to resonate more with me.

All that aside however, I can't seem to fit the idea of having to endure a separation of child and parent in to the harvest. Everything I've read about the harvest otherwise is very elegant, and the lose ends are looked after. So how could something like that happen?

Another way of thinking about it might be, well, when the time comes, and if we suddenly leap in to 4D, maybe we'll see things from a completely different perspective. We'll suddenly be in a better position to see that all is one, and we won't be sad if our child goes to 4D and we remain in 3D, or vicaversa.

I've put a lot of thought in to the harvest and possibility of children going with or not. Maybe too much! I have a 1 1/2 year old son and another baby on the way (due in July). I hadn't yet discovered the LOO when my wife and I decided to have our kids, but I really doubt that we would have waited anyway. We knew it was our path, and I've no regrets. In a universe that's built with love, I have to assume that all will be well and as it should be. (now if I can just remember that when I start freaking out...)

Well said!

I didn't interpret Ra's take on the Harvest to mean a 'rapture' -like event. Rather, I thought the LoO was very clear (disturbingly so, at the time!) that all 3D entities would have to go thru the transition of death; ie., death of the physical (3D) vehicle, since a 3D vehicle could not coexist in 4D reality.

However, the emphasis was always on the harvest of SOULS, so the physical bodies seemed inconsequential.

Not to us, though! It's understandable that many might find those words disconcerting, now that the time is here.

So, I struggled with that for a bit...but the more I pondered it, the more I realized that Ra was referring to the 3D vehicle, which is not the same thing as consciousness. So, way before I ever read Q'uo's recent take on it, I concluded that our consciousness could very well experience a seamless transition, even though the physical body might expire. I decided not to worry about it.

Then, I read Q'uo's recent assessment and it all just fit together. A lot has transpired since the LoO was channeled...remember, the purpose of the contact was to present the Law of One, not transient info. Q'uo has explained the apparent incongruencies quite satisfactorily, imo. At the time the LoO was channeled, the probability/possibility vortex still indicated global annihilation! So think about it...of course it seemed likely at that time that there could not be a transition for Earth without eradication of 3D human entities.

But the situation has changed. Now, because of the efforts of many to raise the vibration, we have averted the worst of the predicted disasters. It is now possible for some of us to survive the transition.

I think the key here is to distinguish between the Harvest of souls, and the transition of Earth into 4D reality. We tend to discuss them as though they were the same, but they are actually 2 separate events.

Many souls, who've transitioned from 3D naturally, have already been harvested. That is one event. The other event is what's going on with Gaia. She too is evolving...into 4D. She will now be able to graciously offer herself for those entities who have been harvested to 4D.

In other words, Gaia will be a planet hospitable to those dwelling in 4D reality. Gaia's transition to that state is not necessarily simultaneous with each individual's harvesting into 4D vibration.
To Steve and Lavazza:

How beautiful that you have young children!

I really hesitated about having a child back in the 80s, when it appeared likely that major disasters were on the way. But I am so glad we did anyway!

Then, for awhile, I felt relieved that our child is nearly grown up. I thought, 'Well now I can breathe a sigh of relief.'

Then, one day, it suddenly hit me, hey, what about my child's future? Can he be free to dream of having children? For awhile, the future seems so uncertain, that I has conflicted about whether to even encourage him.

Q'uo's reassurances have helped me to get past that. I now eagerly anticipate grandchildren! Life continues...each moment a gift.
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01-09-2009, 12:22 PM,
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RE: Children and Ascension
Hi Enki,

In my opinion, it's too tempting to overanalyze what may or may not happen in the near or distant future. The nature of 3D existence is living behind the veil. The fact is that none of us know what will happen around 2012, or what form ascension will take. For that matter, we don't know that we won't be run over by a bus this afternoon!

I believe that you have to think with your heart, especially in matters like whether or not to have children. I assure you that having them will completely change your life, your thoughts and your priorities. As a father of three (ages 12, 9, and 7), sometimes it's hard to believe that these are possibly dual activated little bodies, especially since they must live in this world that constantly bombards them with messages of materiality and self absorption. But I know that they are here for a purpose, and I am proud of the duty/honor that I assumed when I helped bring them into this world. Remember too that they are coming with an agenda which you probably don't even suspect.

Ultimately, you cannot make a wrong decision. Whatever you do is the right thing for you to do now. There really are no mistakes. So I recommend that you follow your higher guidance and do whatever it says. Remember too that having children is only as easy as simply deciding to have them if your wife is already pregnant. If you decide to try, then you'll get an appreciation for what I mean. I have friends that have taken the approach that they will do their part and just let the universe decide whether or not it will happen. (For the record, so far that's resulted in 2 hits and 1 miss for my friends).

Love and Light,

3D Sunset
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Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.
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09-17-2009, 01:21 AM,
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RE: Children and Ascension
From the standpoint of STO polarization, the role as parent likely offers opportunities for a person to serve another and so chance to polarize so. Living in close family structures likely offers a person exposure to more growth catalyst than they may experience otherwise, so they may evolve faster as a parent.

As for the choice of having kids, there is mention that Red Ray related conception seems an issue of chance in some regard. So even if a person chooses to be a parent, there are issues of odds of it actually happening beyond their will.

I like to think that some supernatural influence participates in the animation of new life, something that humankind may not understand well. Part of this influence may come in the form of psychic transfer of some sort or another, and maybe the parents are involved so in some subconscious way. In any case, there may be many factors involved in child bearing that go beyond a persons conscious decision to be a parent or not.

Likewise, I don't think a person necessarily needs to consciously "follow the Law of One" in order to live in harmony with it, because a person may simply be born into the world having an innate understanding of it. From some perspective, illusions that veil it, based upon denial or ignorance, may act as retarding factors that diminish a person's ability of growing within its wisdoms. Possibly such factors foster more basic learnings that need to come beforehand as trade off.

Another impression is that Ra seems to have spent much time studying sexual energy transfer on Venus (beyond reproductive acts) and so was able to share much about the subtleties of such exchanges in ways that may be helpful to people.
These lessons may be essential to learn at some point on an evolutionary path.

Related to sexuality may be cultural conventions which limit a persons ability to study it in such degree, as Ra was able to, and that may allude to some unspoken comment about Ra's view of our modern culture in comparison to their own at this stage of development.

So a choice to be a parent or not, related to sexual expressions for reproductive ends, may be a subset of a greater set of choices related to sexual expressions for evolutionary ends. I think it is the hope of most parents that their children grow to a point where they can make good choices that offer positive consequences. Maybe Ra's perspective is not so different from a parent's in this regard, that they work to encourage good choices and decision making.


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09-17-2009, 07:42 AM,
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RE: Children and Ascension
Good Greetings all:

I have 3 children under the age of 8. They are by far the most exceptional opportunity to further polarize to STO. The joy is in learning to embrace our little truths (emotional pollutions, past lives, karma etc) and to see the BIG truth which is Love is all there Is.---or in RA speak: The Law of One. There is no where else to go but back to source energy. Our STS brethren are taking the scenic route... We who are polarizing to STO are taking the more direct route back to source... It is still Scenic just not the long way around---

Children teach you and you teach children sometimes in the same moment. It is an opportunity to defer to your higher Angels to live life to the best of your ability in that moment. Each moment is an amazing opportunity for discovery. Granted it is not easy! What it is though is rewarding!

There are channels that are saying the dimensions are becoming "crystalized" this has not been my experience as I live in a town where there is plenty of opportunity to rub elbows with low 3D to High 3D and with those of 4D. It is possible to co-exist in harmony. Harmony begins within by truly turning toward inner peace. This means finding the PEACE that already is present within you. And in doing so the Law of Attraction naturally comes into play: Like attracts Like. We create with our thoughts and feelings--- thus focus on that which you would like to experience with Love and Joy and laughter and mirth and Compassion and I assure you IT WILL SHOW UP in your life to the degree that is compatible with your Soul Plan...

I have twins. When I walk a public beach with my twins running ahead of me with the exuberance of living in the NOW I meet others who are also walking the beach. This summer I have literally met hundreds of people who have Identical Twins or have Fraternal Twins or they are a TWIN themselves or thier Siblings or Parents were TWINS. All summer long I have been in Joy over the extraordinary opportunity to learn/teach Twins and also the notion of Dual Activation... which I see evidence within myself and within my children and to a certain extent my Husband.

The details of raising a family have to be figured out along the way. This is one journey one can not plan for. It is little like packing for Holiday in a multi-leveled environment. Remember to dress in layers that way you can put on or take off that which is not needed. And then there is always the exceptional day. LOL So have a little set aside for those unexpected experiences like running out of diapers or the last outfit and no means to wash and dry the dirty ones... In these moments intend and see a solution and one magnificently appears.

The best food for a baby the mother already has. This is almost a non-issue. See it as completely natural and beautiful and abundant and it shall be so. I can assure you of this.

Remember that by focusing on something you are lining up a series of events that will lead to that which you are focusing on. Enjoy!

Love--
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09-19-2009, 02:40 AM,
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RE: Children and Ascension
(09-17-2009, 07:42 AM)fairyfarmgirl Wrote:  ....The best food for a baby the mother already has...

What a heartwarming story, thanks for sharing. When I read it, then I retrospected on a time when I looked at a three year old as one of the best guru's I'd ever had. From there, by such reflection, I was able to better get in touch with my own inner three year old, and a better sense of my inner mother (not an easy task for a guy.) There's a practice called Hakomi that helped me to up-level those inner aspects and reconcile my fragmentation in a conscious way. In the context of the Ra materials, this may relate to Archetypes: nurturing as The Empress, or playful as The Sun.

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