The spiritual relevance of sexual energies.

[Phoenix]

Hey.

A) Do you think our sexual desires positively or negatively influence our decisions about what sort of partner we would like?

B) Are there psychic realities to be aware of when we think of another sexually? If I inserted a girl into a weird fantasy of some sort, would she feel it?

[Adonai One]

No. No, unless desired directly.

Think about the first question and you will see how it answers itself.

[Melissa]

A. Yes, I think most relationships/attractions are based on imbalanced lower chakras. The 'need' for a partner generally dissapates when balanced; and it becomes this powerful creative lifeforce.
B. No.

[Phoenix]

The first question to me is a coin toss. I just engaged in sexual sort of thoughts/ physicality. I got a brainwave that I have now acted on, that I need to quit my volunteer job because it has wound down to the extent that I am taking more than I am giving when I go there.

Just saw Melissa's response: That is interesting. So that makes the polarity positive?

[Matt1]

Yes - Any desire for a certain type of person in a relasonship will give a greater chance of that thought becoming reality. Like attracts like.

Yes- Whenever we think about someone we are connected at a certain level although the person may not directly experience it.

[anagogy]

Hey.

A) Do you think our sexual desires positively or negatively influence our decisions about what sort of partner we would like?

B) Are there psychic realities to be aware of when we think of another sexually? If I inserted a girl into a weird fantasy of some sort, would she feel it?

A) You want what you want, and the universe is set up to assist you in this process of getting what you want as long as you don't get in your own way. It is only negative if you end up with what you didn't want.

B) Probably not consciously, though the more attention you give something, the more you come into vibrational proximity of it. You begin to vibrate more and more like the object of your attention. If it is just a general contemplative day dream, it normally won't gather the necessary momentum to manifest. But if you begin to seriously identify with it, then in time the cooperative components will gather to manifest it.

[Phoenix]

I mean, the floor should be open on this question, people don't need to stay on those questions.

Basically lets say someone supresses their sex drive, this would obviously make them less attracted to their ideal partner, because a major part of their sense-rs are switched off?

Perhaps there are times when someone is guided to be with someone else despite a lack of attraction. But I don't know, it seems unlikely to me. How would people get past normal relationship difficultness with that added onto it.

Sexual desire felt across the room. Is this a genuine method of choosing 'mates'. It seems to me likely it is if experience starts from the lower chakras up. It can start there, then you see if they fit heart chakra wise.

I did get an insight from this discussion into why people who worship porn models don't get porn models necessarily. Because on some level they don't believe they are worth them. And that this rule might generally apply to relationships in general, people couple in relation to what they believe they are worth.

[Fastidious Emanations]

all is well

[anagogy]

Perhaps there are times when someone is guided to be with someone else despite a lack of attraction. But I don't know, it seems unlikely to me. How would people get past normal relationship difficultness with that added onto it.

There are preincarnate agreements that are made sometimes where two people have agreed before hand to be mated in life. A plethora of programmed "signs" would push them towards each other in a such a case.

Sexual desire felt across the room. Is this a genuine method of choosing 'mates'. It seems to me likely it is if experience starts from the lower chakras up. It can start there, then you see if they fit heart chakra wise.

It depends. It's all about alignment or lack thereof. You are receiving inspiration to act all the time. If you are in alignment, which you can easily recognize by a sense of all pervading 'well being' or joy, your inspired actions will always take you towards that which you are truly wanting (what your life experience has caused you to want). If you are acting from a lower vibration of inspiration, your actions will inevitably lead you to disappointment.

I did get an insight from this discussion into why people who worship porn models don't get porn models necessarily. Because on some level they don't believe they are worth them. And that this rule might generally apply to relationships in general, people couple in relation to what they believe they are worth.

That is absolutely right. Belief is a kind of attention as well. Or, we might say it is a thought you keep thinking. When you don't believe you can have something, your attention is on the lack of what you want, rather than the presence of what you want. So lack is what inevitably manifests.

[Phoenix]

I have had dreams discouraging this line of thought!

[xise]

I have had dreams discouraging this line of thought!

I 'd bet money that your dreams are a manifestation of your guilt on these issues rather than actual discouragement.

I say this because I don't see anything you mention as even remotely out of the ordinary. Just sounds like basic sexual desire and acceptance of that desire. A lot of people have trouble with desire , especially sexual desire.

As always, use your own discernment as I could be wrong.

[Phoenix]

Well, what I was trying to do was manifest up sexual desire to convince myself away from what I perceived to be pain in love matters.

But, there was a lot of misunderstanding between me and said girl. So now that I am fully engaged, I am experiencing it all differently.

[Fastidious Emanations]

I think it is a pain that is inevitable. Lovers share this pain and sympathize.
In fact it may be inevitable in the evolution of love seeking towards lessons of wisdom that these are capable of becoming unanimous in equanimity.
There is desire, there is it's reciprocal, and there is acceptance

But really there is that of which in me seeks for the most perfect counterpart, it is easy/difficult to forget/remember...

[Phoenix]

I'm pretty sure that sexual desire is just not relevant. Even a member of the target gender is sexually attractive, it still isn't relevant. Because you have to look at the soul.

[xise]

I'm pretty sure that sexual desire is just not relevant. Even a member of the target gender is sexually attractive, it still isn't relevant. Because you have to look at the soul.

You don't "have" to do anything. Free will governs. If you truly only desire to look at the soul, cool.

For myself, I'd be lying to myself if I said that (and I would be blocking off the red ray I energy I get when looking a lady;that same energy that when guilt free goes to my heart and eventually out of my crown often as I am in gratitude of having that experience). I think appearance is important, but I do value personality more. And I'm totally ok with that part of myself.

[Jeremy]

Are you asking more about using sexual desire as a springboard to finding a potential mate or just looking at an other self with only a sexual desire relative to polarization?

Speaking from personal experience, way back when I first met my ex, of course I thought she was gorgeous but it wasn't something like "man I'd like to get her in bed". It was more like "oh my god, I have to know more about her". I even had a girlfriend at the time but I begged my boss to hire her. He asked me why since I already had a girlfriend and I responded "I don't know why but you just have to".

There has never been such a moment from the subsequent women that I've been with but definitely a moment of notice with some of them. It's more of an instantaneous click or verification that "yep this is one that is important" it may not work out but I've found by being with a few different women that these "clicks" have all lead to a lesson of sorts. They are also excellent mirrors as I see a little of myself within each of these women.

None of the desires for these women were sparked by a sexual desire initially. There was attraction don't get me wrong but it was more what I saw in their eyes that showed me that this particular other self had something in store for me.

On the flip side, since I work in a hospital with a ton of hot nurses, my sex drive is constantly quite high considering the constan flirtation that goes on. In this atmosphere, yea all I'm thinking about is how to get these women in bed lol

[Phoenix]

I think if we were to define sexual energy. There are two here. There's the one that you just talked about which is like the spirit is magnetically connected, and there is one that comes from the having 'fantasies'/ physicality. Considering someone purely as a sexual object, even if for just a moment.

So the second one is 'man I'd like to get her into bed'.

[AnthroHeart]

The ones I fantasize about are non-existent beings, but I imagine them being real. Sometimes though they become sexual objects. I rarely think about just loving them.

[Phoenix]

My understanding of the principle thus far is that it needs to be service to others. Service to others meaning both people being service to others. There are no rules. Ha ha.

[ascension scout]

"Belief is a kind of attention as well. Or, we might say it is a thought you keep thinking. When you don't believe you can have something, your attention is on the lack of what you want, rather than the presence of what you want. So lack is what inevitably manifests."

That was brilliantly put and has applications beyond sexual desire. I have always been fascinated by those who seem to know exactly what they want. Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. Here on earth desire seems to be squandered on things of the illusion. It has been a work in progress for me to re-calibrate my own desires towards service and spiritual understanding.

I am happily married but do have various sexual fantasies that I go to for a-hem self-pleasure....if I may open that can of worms. I wonder what the energetic implications are for that. A sexual energy retainer?

"If desire is to be intelligently employed, it is necessary to employ it through the principle of love, for this is the generative force which produces the vibration." -Hatonn

[Phoenix]

I've done a bit of work in that area. And my position is that it is an act of self service. If the orgasm is achieved only for the self etc.

I also am absolutely sure it sends something to the person. I have before sent that energy to a girl and known that things were going to go wrong from there. Then they did.

I also think strange fantasies block relationships. And having energy there is south pole energy that attracts further experience to you.

[Steppingfeet]

"Belief is a kind of attention as well. Or, we might say it is a thought you keep thinking. When you don't believe you can have something, your attention is on the lack of what you want, rather than the presence of what you want. So lack is what inevitably manifests."

Is this from the Seth books?

Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. Here on earth desire seems to be squandered on things of the illusion.

Well put. I don't think that certainty is categorically absurd - there are many good cases for certainty. (e.g.: "I am certain that I am a male, I love shrimp, and my parents named me Benjamin Buford Blue.")

But many of us are certain on matters about which, with more information/evidence/broader point of view, we might not be so certain. I can see how this class of certainty is an absurdity given that we exist in a situation where "understanding is not of this density".

There is another category of certainty, though, that I think quite valid. Faith is a flexible certainty that isn't based on any information that can be obtained from the illusion, and therefore cannot be contradicted for its real practitioner.

Though there is a difference between faith of the indigo and faith of "I believe this particular proposition/truth claim/religious creed".

It has been a work in progress for me to re-calibrate my own desires towards service and spiritual understanding.

Reminds me of 18.5 Ra: The orientation develops due to analysis of desire. These desires become more and more distorted towards conscious application of love/light as the entity furnishes itself with distilled experience.

And to keep the post in line with the OP:

A) My understanding is that our desires, in general, influence, nay, *create* the life, or the experience, we have. I would imagine that sexual desires (be they positive, negative, or both) fall under the same category.

So, yes, I believe there are a number of ways that sexual desire may lead us to a particular partner, or away from a particular partner, or contribute to or interfere with the dance of partners.

B) I am left only to guess on this question. In general I don't think that human thought is sufficiently strong to have an impact upon an other self when in the realm of inner, personal fantasy. I think anagogy makes good headway in describing the mechanism whereby fantasy thought-forms may gain greater consequence.

[ascension scout]

I am still learning how to use the forum tools. that quote was from Anagogy

That is absolutely right. Belief is a kind of attention as well. Or, we might say it is a thought you keep thinking. When you don't believe you can have something, your attention is on the lack of what you want, rather than the presence of what you want. So lack is what inevitably manifests.

I appreciate Bring4th_GLB's commentary on certainty.

But many of us are certain on matters about which, with more information/evidence/broader point of view, we might not be so certain. I can see how this class of certainty is an absurdity given that we exist in a situation where "understanding is not of this density".

There is another category of certainty, though, that I think quite valid. Faith is a flexible certainty that isn't based on any information that can be obtained from the illusion, and therefore cannot be contradicted for its real practitioner.

I don't feel that I fully understand my own desires. Before discovering the Law of One and beginning my spiritual awakening I didn't fully realize the power/significance of desire. Now it seems like a big deal and I have been attempting to analyze them. Is there any methods or tips you all find helpful on the analysis of desire?

Got a bit off topic there, sorry. I am a female and I remember reading that sexual energy transfers are different for us ladies. More of a emotional/mental energy release than a physical one. Is the energy still transferred or released if I do not orgasm? Is the inability for a female to orgasm related to an energy blockage?

87.23 Questioner: In addition, why is the ratio of male to female orgasms so heavily loaded on the side of the male?

Ra: I am Ra. We refer now to the yellow-ray, physical body or, if you will, body complex. At this level the distinction is unimportant. The male orgasm which motivates the sperm forward to meet its ovum is essential for the completion of the red-ray desire to propagate the species. The female orgasm is unnecessary. Again, as mind/body/spirit complexes begin to use the sexual energy transfer to learn, to serve, and to glorify the One Infinite Creator the function of the female orgasm becomes more clear.

[Phoenix]

I have received energy from both a girl and a guy and have felt it to make me uncomfortable and paranoid before.

I suspect I have received energy from just a girl and felt it as a sudden strong feeling of how the girl feels about me on that level. Not the personal, where she might perceive us in an animal relation.

[βαθμιαίος]

Got a bit off topic there, sorry. I am a female and I remember reading that sexual energy transfers are different for us ladies. More of a emotional/mental energy release than a physical one. Is the energy still transferred or released if I do not orgasm? Is the inability for a female to orgasm related to an energy blockage?

Yes, I think there is still energy transferred even if there is no orgasm. Here's Ra's take on it: "84.13 ...it may be seen to be at its most efficient when both entities have orgasm simultaneously. However, it functions as transfer if either has the orgasm and indeed in the case of the physically expressed love between a mated pair which does not have the conclusion you call orgasm there is, nonetheless, a considerable amount of energy transferred due to the potential difference which has been raised as long as both entities are aware of this potential and release its strength to each other by desire of the will in a mental or mind complex dedication."

Not sure about the energy blockage/orgasm relationship.

[Phoenix]

I don't think that sexual activity without the actual releasing of the load has the same effect. When I feel I have received things it is always in the moment. Like one energy swoop.

Also, I'm still trying to work out my own fractured psychology. I got rid of one of the behaviours I did a while back that I think caused fear and mistrust in the universe. Without that I'm wondering if I can relax a bit on the sexual desires.

Also, my dreams started to reflect to me some more carnal realities that I suppose I must have supressed. So it's a bit of a hard line to balance. I do feel that when I am in love the more uncomfortable of those desires disappear because of other priorities, but love in the romantic sense is hard to come by.

[AnthroHeart]

I tried cutting off an orgasm once right at the moment, and it hurt my testicles.

[Steppingfeet]

I don't feel that I fully understand my own desires. Before discovering the Law of One and beginning my spiritual awakening I didn't fully realize the power/significance of desire. Now it seems like a big deal and I have been attempting to analyze them. Is there any methods or tips you all find helpful on the analysis of desire?

Quick reply from me on this question so as not to deviate from on-topic.

Setting the intention to analyze desire is the first step, naturally.

I would note two other aspects that have been helpful in incrementally coming to "understand" my own patterns of consciousness:

1. To learn to "be with" the desire. To observe and feel it fully without attachment or aversion.

Meditation is one of the greatest tools for developing this faculty of presence.

2. To learn to ask the right questions. I find that asking the self the right questions, and holding those questions in the mind, gets the inner, often hidden gears working toward answering your questions.

The rational, conscious mind gets engaged in that process often; that is helpful, and needed. But it the intuition that yields understanding of self comes from levels deeper than the conscious mind that are responding to your focused, self-analyzing questions.

Two cents.