Protection from "devil" lucifer ??
01-13-2009, 10:15 PM,
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Protection from "devil" lucifer ??
I know in Christianity there is God and the devil or satan, lucifer.
What does the Law of One say about ridding one's self of satan like energys, experiences and what not? I know there is a lot of symbolism deemed satanic, such as pentagram, baphomet pentagram etc.
How does one rid themselves of this kind of influence? As the people in and around Rock and Roll seem to be infatuated with the stuff?

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01-14-2009, 12:07 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-14-2009, 12:10 AM by Monica.)
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(01-13-2009, 10:15 PM)liferiver36 Wrote:  I know in Christianity there is God and the devil or satan, lucifer.
What does the Law of One say about ridding one's self of satan like energys, experiences and what not? I know there is a lot of symbolism deemed satanic, such as pentagram, baphomet pentagram etc.
How does one rid themselves of this kind of influence? As the people in and around Rock and Roll seem to be infatuated with the stuff?

Thanks for any info
Ryan

Hi Ryan!

Welcome to the forum!

Gosh, there is so much I could say in response to your question...but I'd like to first understand your question better.

Are you asking how to rid oneself of evil influences/energies?

Or, are you asking whether the LoO considers esoteric symbols such as the pentagram to be evil?

Could you possibly be more specific in your question...such as, is there a particular passage in the LoO that made you uncomfortable? Did you maybe read part of the books and find the ideas in conflict with Christianity? Or... are you unsure as to whether it might be appropriate for you and are trying to 'test' it, to make sure it's not evil?

Thank you for clarifying. I'd be happy to share my own perceptions and interpretations, but I want to make sure I understand what you are asking.

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01-14-2009, 09:02 AM,
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Hello liferiver36, or Ryan if that is your name. =)

If you speak of evil/negative influences, I had an experience with one of those lately. They're called "psychic attacks" and it's an entity of negative polarization that will try to hamper your spiritual growth if you're on the path of Service to Others.
This could be anything, and I guess it could manifest as a devil if you chose it to. I have no experience of such powerful entities, the one that attacked me simply left me when I recognised it with the love of the creator.

In general when meeting negative things, do not fear, there is nothing to fear, accept all things as part of the creator and meet it with love. It is impossible to not serve the creator.

Peace and love to you
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01-14-2009, 01:05 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-14-2009, 01:06 PM by Monica.)
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(01-14-2009, 09:02 AM)ayadew Wrote:  If you speak of evil/negative influences, I had an experience with one of those lately. They're called "psychic attacks" and it's an entity of negative polarization that will try to hamper your spiritual growth if you're on the path of Service to Others.
This could be anything, and I guess it could manifest as a devil if you chose it to. I have no experience of such powerful entities, the one that attacked me simply left me when I recognised it with the love of the creator.

In general when meeting negative things, do not fear, there is nothing to fear, accept all things as part of the creator and meet it with love. It is impossible to not serve the creator.

Peace and love to you

Great answer! I second that!
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01-14-2009, 03:39 PM,
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Thank you for your response, about the psychic attack, that is somewhat in the realm of what i'm talking about. Lets say i'm feeling really good and synchronicties are happening all pointing towards positive, then one of my friends will call or email me and want me to do something "bad" or illegal that i used to take part in. I know they are not on the spiritual path at all and may just be at the will of lower energies. But it seems as though when things are going good there is always some sort of "devil" influence that comes about. I have been into the music "scene" and have just started to stray away from it after a very frightening and negative experience that i had at a concert. Since then with a different perspective on things, when i am feeling at peace, the people associated with the music scene, or drug scene seem to want me back at the level i was previously at, not too long ago. I'm on the path of no drugs, even though drugs are what led me to the spirit. Also might need a whole nother topic for this, after becoming sober(marijuana, mdma, lsd, etc) I have an explosion of psychic feelings and i experience deja vu more than not experiencing it. When i do get calls from people that i would deem negative it's as though i know it when the phone rings who its going to be and what they want etc.

Any insights would be lovely!

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01-14-2009, 05:11 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-14-2009, 06:11 PM by Monica.)
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(01-14-2009, 03:39 PM)liferiver36 Wrote:  Thank you for your response, about the psychic attack, that is somewhat in the realm of what i'm talking about. Lets say i'm feeling really good and synchronicties are happening all pointing towards positive, then one of my friends will call or email me and want me to do something "bad" or illegal that i used to take part in. I know they are not on the spiritual path at all and may just be at the will of lower energies. But it seems as though when things are going good there is always some sort of "devil" influence that comes about. I have been into the music "scene" and have just started to stray away from it after a very frightening and negative experience that i had at a concert. Since then with a different perspective on things, when i am feeling at peace, the people associated with the music scene, or drug scene seem to want me back at the level i was previously at, not too long ago. I'm on the path of no drugs, even though drugs are what led me to the spirit. Also might need a whole nother topic for this, after becoming sober(marijuana, mdma, lsd, etc) I have an explosion of psychic feelings and i experience deja vu more than not experiencing it. When i do get calls from people that i would deem negative it's as though i know it when the phone rings who its going to be and what they want etc.

Any insights would be lovely!

Thank you all so much

Ah, thanks for the clarification!

I can totally relate! I was very heavily into the heavy metal music scene/drug scene in the late 70s, and I too had a spiritual awakening which led me away from it. And I too found it difficult, since so many of my friends were wrapped up in it. What was once considered such a benign pastime and conducive to social interactions (getting high/wasted) became an issue of much conflict and stress for me, for awhile as I went thru the transition.

I had begun meditating, fasting, practicing yoga, living on sprouts, etc., pretty much an ascetic path...and then my friends would call and it would instantly transport me back to a whole 'nother mindset/reality. I even became confused about my music...after all, weren't the guys in Led Zeppelin satanic? There were satanic curses if you played the music backwards, right?

In panic, I sold nearly all my albums - and I had quite a collection! About 2000 albums of treasured vinyl, some of them rare collectors' items, never to be found again. (This was before the invention of the CD or music downloads!)

I then lived in a cocoon, musically, for about 12 years. I totally missed the 80s! (OMG Metallica! I missed Metallica!)

During this time, I did a lot of worthwhile things...including reading the LoO. It only took a few months to clear my head of the drug influence...and yes I backslid a few times...and each time I did, I marveled at how I used to think getting high was fun! It was a downer compared to the blissful clarity of meditation!

I also got a bit smug during this time... a bit holier-than-thow. I discarded my old party friends because they were just soooo uncool.

But then, about 12 years ago, I got caught without my usual Kitaro/Vangelis/Enya music and forced to turn on the radio...and heard - HORRORS! - a Supertramp song. Nothing heavy, just good prog rock.

I realized how much I missed my music!

I had come full circle. I was now able to enjoy music - even heavy metal - and appreciate it for what it was, without letting it suck me into a downward spiral of negativity. But, I had also become more discriminating...I will not tolerate something truly discordant or hateful. I just don't want that vibration in my life!

I have reconnected with some of my old friends...some of them, now in their 50s, still get high! And guess what, I don't care! That's their thing, and if it mellows them out, who am I to judge? I only know that it was no longer for me, I have not been tempted to indulge for 25 years now, and...I can now accept them with complete love, and without the self-righteousness I felt towards them when I first was getting clean.

This is the process I went thru. Perhaps your process will be different. But maybe some of my experience might be useful to you in some way.

For me, I had to get past the phase of thinking that stuff was 'evil' in order to truly be free of it. I no longer think Jimmy Page is a satanist. You know who I think is a satanist? Anyone who controls/dominates another. For now I have a better understanding of what 'evil' truly is! And it has nothing to do with what kind of music you listen to or whether you get high or not, or whether you have a pentagram tattoo.

The LoO helped me to understand the characteristics of the STS and STO paths. I know people who have lots of tattoos, get high, and listen to the heaviest music imaginable (that would make Black Sabbath sound like pop), and they are really, really nice people.

And I've met people who are all clean cut, go to church, maybe even are pastors of a church, who make my skin crawl (at least until I remember that they too serve the Creator, and extend love to them).

What matters is the heart.

It may be that it's no longer appropriate for you to listen to that music, do drugs, or be part of that whole scene. It might be keeping you asleep, and by leaving it, you will find direction in your path. I commend you for that!

I know I had to leave it. And yet, I have fond memories of going backstage and meeting Judas Priest, Scorpions, UFO, etc. (Gosh, those bands are so tame compared to what's out there today!) That phase of my life was an important part of my unfolding...it helped make me who I am today. I do not regret it.

I was able to leave it, then later be able to enjoy aspects of it (some of the music) without getting caught up in the scene again. Maybe you will do the same...or maybe you will decide to separate from it altogether. That is something you will have to decide for yourself.

I also realized that a lot of the symbols (like the pentagram) that I once thought were satanic, were twisted and perverted by STS entities who instilled fear in their followers. The pentagram, for example, is a powerful symbol, but a lot of people mistakenly associate it with evil. So rock stars get pentagrams tattooed on their bodies because they think it makes them look cool...In other words, evil! They think looking 'evil' is cool! Actually, the joke's on them!

Whereas I was confused about that when I was going thru my process of disassociation from them, I now look at them with amusement. I know what the pentagram really is, so seeing it tattooed on someone's arm does not frighten me. I am actually rather amused by it, and saddened at the same time.

My suggestion is to keep meditating and asking for your own personal guidance. What is appropriate for another might not be appropriate for you. I have a friend who did a sweat lodge with some Native American elders, used peyote ceremoniously, and had an intense spiritual experience that changed her life dramatically, for the good. There is a huge difference between that and just getting wasted on the weekend, ie. partying. Perhaps that is the real issue with that whole scene - they have taken tools (like the pentagram) and substances (weed, etc.) which could be used for good when treated with respect, and they have profaned them.

I would also rejoice at the gifts you have received in terms of psychic abilities and awakening. I once read in Linda Goodman's "Love Signs" book (in the Taurus-Taurus section I think it was) that hallucinogens can often serve the purpose of activating the pineal gland (3rd eye chakra) which can be a wonderful thing, but the mistake people often make is to continue using the drugs once they've been awakened...that is like using crutches after the broken leg has healed up...what will happen if you use crutches when both legs are fine? The legs will atrophy! So too with the 3rd eye...continued use of the drugs can cause the 3rd eye to either atrophy or, according to some, get locked in the 'open' position. In other words, rather than a natural, organic process of it opening according to what the person is ready for, it can get hardened and lose its ability to naturally adapt to the person's spiritual unfoldment. There is no question that my use of hallucinogens 30 years ago had a positive impact in my spirituality...but there is also no question that I would be pretty messed up right now if I had not stopped when I did. (That's just my take on it, For what it's worth...others might disagree.)

I sometimes think that I came from those roots because now maybe I can shine a little light in those dark places. I had to get to the point where it no longer bothered me to be in that place or around those people or that music. (Have you heard the new Judas Priest album? It's awesome!) But there are still some places where I will not go. (I won't mention any names, but suffice to say, some of the more recent metal bands really are quite dark...in the real sense, not just for show.) Those places are not for me. Maybe others can go there, but I can't or won't. Only you can decide for yourself what you are comfortable with. My advice is: If you are uncomfortable, listen to your guidance and leave. If you think being around your old friends will suck you back into that space that you no longer wish to be a part of, then graciously wish them well but politely decline. You'll find that the UniVerse will send new friends who will better reflect your new choices.

Well I hope some of this rambling might be of use to you. If not, just discard! And best wishes on your journey! ROCK ON! (there are lots of ways to Rock!) Angel
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01-14-2009, 05:40 PM,
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"Lets say i'm feeling really good and synchronicties are happening all pointing towards positive, then one of my friends will call or email me and want me to do something "bad" or illegal that i used to take part in. I know they are not on the spiritual path at all and may just be at the will of lower energies."--liferiver36

This indicates energy cording. I would recommend you read a couple of books that explain this. Such as the Celestine Prophecy, James Redfield., The Pleiadian Workbook: Awakening Your Divine Ka, Amorah Quan Yin. Micheal's Gemstone Dictionary, JP Van Hull and the RA material.

An energy cord is an energetic connection. The books above will explain how an energetic connection is made and maintained and then if you wish how to gently remove or transmute and/or unplug the cording (connection).

These works have served me well and are very STO in orientation. You will find new ways and new connections in re-creating your life aknew with these books and materials as reference.

For now, until you are able to order and read them (all you can get from Amazon or half.com or most used book stores for that matter) the RA prayer is of great assistance:

Say aloud with authority:
In the Name of the One, True, Infininte Creator I hail you.

(take a deep breath, hold for a count of 3 exhale. Center yourself by imagining that you are recieving a loving hug of energy.

THEN say:
I bathe you in Light and Love.

End this prayer in a manner that is congruent with your belief system. Some things people say are (this is by means not a complete list):

So be IT.
So it I.
Selah.
Amen.
As it above so it is below.
Thank you.


This works very well to send discordent energies (not good or bad just different from yours) away.

All is One.

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01-15-2009, 02:53 AM,
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Thank you so much for your replies, dreaming peace, i have experienced some of what you are saying and see that in the future. Fairyframgirl thank you for the tip, i will write that down and give it a try when feeling awkward
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01-15-2009, 03:18 AM,
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(01-15-2009, 02:53 AM)liferiver36 Wrote:  Thank you so much for your replies, dreaming peace, i have experienced some of what you are saying and see that in the future. Fairyframgirl thank you for the tip, i will write that down and give it a try when feeling awkward

Congratulations to you for having the courage to make such a big change in your life!

Best wishes to you!
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09-18-2009, 03:21 AM,
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The mention of the pentagram reminds me of Don's use of The Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram, related to the Golden Dawn. Furthermore, there may have been mention of using salt to clear energies - as when preparations were being made to move houses.

I can't remember the mythology of Lucifer being mentioned in the Ra books, though I don't remember a lot of things. My impression is this mythology may relate to the influences of temptation as offering an oppositional element which can help a person strengthen their resolve in some way, or not, depending upon their choice. Elements of opposition may come in many forms, which can allow contrasts to be played into conflicts, split into distance, or remain unresolved, etc.

In some twisted sense, one may consider such element of temptation as a service to others. How can a person ascend without stairs to step upon and push off of?

It may difficult to say just what the intent of Lucifer was, if actions were taken completely out of self interest or if Lucifer realized that an element of temptation may be just the element needed to catalyze growth in some important way.

In other words, there seems some possibility that Lucifer may have been playing a role as the "bad guy" knowing full well that there was a risk of being known, there-ever-after as "the bad guy", as a price paid for the opportunity of serving another the catalyst they needed for their evolutionary development. Could Lucifer have sacrificed the pristine reputation in some act as a service to another?

In a more general sense, there may be common occurrences where people break the rules in order to serve some greater good. The appearance as rule breaker may veil the greater underpinnings at work, in the greater scheme of things.

As one ponders the limitation of perception and language and how their inherent limitations may impose misunderstanding, then it seems easier to take on a non-judgmental stance as a higher degree more congruent with how it may really be, the good and the bad interconnected to extents inextricable.

There may be some symbolic link between Lucifer and Ra by way of the planet Venus. As residing in some high density, I would consider Ra able to participate in such roles: as those of bad guys who turn out to be good guys in the bigger picture, or else of STS appearances which turn out to be STO in some more important way.


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