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    EvolvingPhoenix (Offline)

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    #61
    09-09-2018, 12:35 PM (This post was last modified: 09-09-2018, 12:35 PM by EvolvingPhoenix.)
    Yeah, well, good news is that I had a talk with a friend trying to explain time/space to her, found out my understanding was inaccurate, she picked it up faster than me, ended up explaining that s*** to ME, and then told me some wise things that have REALLY helped calm down my fears. By a lot. I fully intend to post edited versions of convos I've had in private that won't violate anybody else's privacy or anything, but WILL show what interesting things I've learned in order to heal, which aren't visible in the threads. You know, in case somebody ELSE has issues like mine in the future. THANK YOU ALL.

    After that talk with that friend, talking with you all and getting more advice from people I know in person, I am finally calm and feeling okay. NO FEAR right now! I'll post the edited convo later Smile

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    09-09-2018, 04:34 PM (This post was last modified: 09-09-2018, 04:40 PM by EvolvingPhoenix.)
    s***. Feeling paranoia again. This time over my LATEST understanding of time/space. You know what? The fact that it's ALWAYS something, regardless of what form it takes, shows that it's fear related to past traumas, as others have indicated. And forgiving myself for pat misdoings is coming up and for past shitty thoughts and blah blah blah... One of my friends had said to me that I have this thing going on where I'm angry about my past and worried about my future.

    In this case, I might be facing pain from my past and it's coming up. This probably IS due to the subliminals, because the one I was using was the Emotional Pain Relief and Healing Aid v2.


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    And I now, reading this list, just realize something which may play a CRITICAL role in these paranoiac fears regarding space and time:

    "Projection of part of the awareness into the future in which the goals have been safely and successfully achieved, and then pulling the “now” self to that future through the connection"

    Thing is, I knew about that, but only just now realize how important this little bit is in what's happening, especially.

    I'm done with this sub.

    In fact, yeah I'm not so sure I need subs, but if I do use one, I'ma be careful with s*** like that. If it has something "projecting yourself into the future" related, I'ma have to pass I think.

    Yeah! and I was obsessing over tarot divinations when all this s*** started happening! :O

    And I honestly WASN'T sure what future I wanted because I was trying on one hand to surrender to my higher self, but one the other to project myself into the future!

    s***.

    It's like my friend said: "Angry about the past, worried about the future" Or in this case: "pained/worried about the past, worried/anxious about the future"

    It's so "future based" it clashes with living in the now.

    the subs must stop. I shall contact Shannon Matteson and ask if I'm okay after stopping abruptly after ~4 months of use, when it's designed for 1, 3 and 6 month intervals.

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    09-18-2018, 12:30 PM
    Bro, I think the best thing you can do is to trust your Higher Self, number 1. Number 2, just go with the flow. I'm not a staunch believer in the Qur'an, but it does have gems here and there. One verse says that "God does not burden one with more than theu can handle". So know that all these fears (read: illusions), your Higher Self knows you CAN overcome (imagine how much you are teaching your tribe back home). I have so much faith in the Goodness of God that I always overcome illusions (not necessarily easy battles... But I ride the waves... Rock N Roll baby). And lastly, my humble advice can conclude with saying a prayer to Source. "Source, you know the illusions that scare me. Please bring me calm. I imagine a brightest white light coming forth from you into my feet, all the way up to my Crown chakra, protecting me from anything not in my Highest Good, and the Highest Good of All... Going back to you with my breath. I ask you to guide me into Only that which is for my Highest Good... And that which is in your Divine Grace, Divine Order, Divine Time, and Divine Mercy. You are only Love and Light oh Lord, and I fully trust that you shall assist me with my Free Will submitting to You NOW for following that Highest Path. That most Joyous path... That path that leads to the Service of All... Service to You my beloved Infinite Creator. And so It Is".
    And thats it dude. Its done. Follow your heart. Your "highesf excitement". I walked into a bar once and this very trippy Classic Rock song I've never heard before was playing. I asked the bartenders what song it was and they had to check. The guy came back with an off/confusedly impressed smile saying the band was called Blind Faith, and the song is called "Do What You Like". I smiled in awe. God really does love us Unconditionally. Just keep trusting Him/Her/It... The Infinite Intelligence/Consciousness. Keep riding those waves... And always Do What You Love Wink

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    09-18-2018, 12:59 PM
    Oh oh oh and I just read something on Law of One yesterday which gave me (and I'm sure Don at the time), and hopefully will give you a large sigh if relief. The timing is so uncanny I think God has responded to your inner prayer already lolz. It was something Carla was channeling regarding how many Wanderers incarnate for Service to Others (Positive) and end up going into the Negative. The first question that Dons beautiful soul posed received an affirmative from Ra in such a hypothetical situation to occur. The second question Don asked so lovingly receiving an ever more relieving answer my beloved Ra stating the absolute rarity of such an occurrence: 1 at the time of beloved Carlas channeling:

    "69.10 ▶ Questioner: Now, has a Wanderer ever been so infringed upon by, shall I say, a negative adept or whoever and then placed in negative time/space?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

    69.11 ▶ Questioner: Can you tell me of the situation that the Wanderer finds itself in and why the path back cannot be the simple moving back into the same value of positive time/space?

    Ra: I am Ra. The path back revolves, firstly, about the higher self’s reluctance to enter negative space/time. This may be a significant part of the length of that path. Secondly, when a positively oriented entity incarnates in a thoroughly negative environment it must needs learn/teach the lessons of the love of self thus becoming one with its other-selves.

    When this has been accomplished the entity may then choose to release the potential difference and change polarities.

    However, the process of learning the accumulated lessons of love of self may be quite lengthy. Also the entity, in learning these lessons, may lose much positive orientation during the process and the choice of reversing polarities may be delayed until the mid-sixth density. All of this is, in your way of measurement, time-consuming although the end result is well.

    69.12 ▶ Questioner: Is it possible to tell me roughly how many Wanderers that have come to this planet within this master cycle have experienced this displacement into a negative time/space? Just wondering if there have been many.

    Ra: I am Ra. We can note the number of such occurrences. There has been only one. We cannot, due to the Law of Confusion, discuss the entity."

    Matter of fact its a crazy synchronicity as to how accurately this answers your question :idea: hope this helps All Shy

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    09-18-2018, 07:19 PM (This post was last modified: 09-18-2018, 07:23 PM by EvolvingPhoenix.)
    (09-18-2018, 12:59 PM)MaXiiMo Wrote: Oh oh oh and I just read something on Law of One yesterday which gave me (and I'm sure Don at the time), and hopefully will give you a large sigh if relief. The timing is so uncanny I think God has responded to your inner prayer already lolz. It was something Carla was channeling regarding how many Wanderers incarnate for Service to Others (Positive) and end up going into the Negative. The first question that Dons beautiful soul posed received an affirmative from Ra in such a hypothetical situation to occur. The second question Don asked so lovingly receiving an ever more relieving answer my beloved Ra stating the absolute rarity of such an occurrence: 1 at the time of beloved Carlas channeling:

    "69.10 ▶ Questioner: Now, has a Wanderer ever been so infringed upon by, shall I say, a negative adept or whoever and then placed in negative time/space?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

    69.11 ▶ Questioner: Can you tell me of the situation that the Wanderer finds itself in and why the path back cannot be the simple moving back into the same value of positive time/space?

    Ra: I am Ra. The path back revolves, firstly, about the higher self’s reluctance to enter negative space/time. This may be a significant part of the length of that path. Secondly, when a positively oriented entity incarnates in a thoroughly negative environment it must needs learn/teach the lessons of the love of self thus becoming one with its other-selves.

    When this has been accomplished the entity may then choose to release the potential difference and change polarities.

    However, the process of learning the accumulated lessons of love of self may be quite lengthy. Also the entity, in learning these lessons, may lose much positive orientation during the process and the choice of reversing polarities may be delayed until the mid-sixth density. All of this is, in your way of measurement, time-consuming although the end result is well.

    69.12 ▶ Questioner: Is it possible to tell me roughly how many Wanderers that have come to this planet within this master cycle have experienced this displacement into a negative time/space? Just wondering if there have been many.

    Ra: I am Ra. We can note the number of such occurrences. There has been only one. We cannot, due to the Law of Confusion, discuss the entity."

    Matter of fact its a crazy synchronicity as to how accurately this answers your question  :idea: hope this helps All  Shy

    That's scary as s***! How does that give me asigh of relief?!

    But that was the thing that got me worried I think. The fact that you brought it up right as a latest wave of fear hut me and called it synchronicity, right after I also got hit with a 111 angel sign during the fear attack (it means be careful of your thoughts as they have manifestation effects. It came while I started to think about itnthen really stsrted freaking out) onky makes it worse. Why would that relieve me?


    PLEASE TELL ME MOM'S RIGHT and angel numbers are bullshit...

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    09-18-2018, 11:00 PM
    Ra is simply referring to matching the polarity of those in your environment. Those that are more STS than you are will simply remove energy from you as you work towards your conscious goals, thus creating the situation where you gain little to no actual progress until you are able to armor yourself so to speak against those that infringe against you.

    This changing of polarities creating massive amounts of light/love, allowing nearly instantaneous balancing of pretty much anything. Although you develop psychopathic tendencies until a 6th density positive pulls you out of your armor so to speak.

    The more work you consciously do towards your goals, the faster this process can be circumvented. It simply requires forcing yourself to work towards your goals. Simple.

    If you don't, then it's shadowland baby!

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    09-18-2018, 11:57 PM
    (09-18-2018, 11:00 PM)GentleReckoning Wrote: Ra is simply referring to matching the polarity of those in your environment. Those that are more STS than you are will simply remove energy from you as you work towards your conscious goals, thus creating the situation where you gain little to no actual progress until you are able to armor yourself so to speak against those that infringe against you.

    This changing of polarities creating massive amounts of light/love, allowing nearly instantaneous balancing of pretty much anything. Although you develop psychopathic tendencies until a 6th density positive pulls you out of your armor so to speak.

    The more work you consciously do towards your goals, the faster this process can be circumvented. It simply requires forcing yourself to work towards your goals. Simple.

    If you don't, then it's shadowland baby!

    So you're saying if I work on my goals here in 3D, I am safe and the fear goes away?

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    09-19-2018, 12:17 AM
    Friend. The lesson is to realize fear for the Illusion it is. In my humble opinion. listen to Peace of Mind by Boston and realize no mattter where the f*** you are, what thefuck time it is, is divinely planned by You. Have Peace, not Fear. Show the shadows your representation of True Light. True You. Yeah it's cliche but f*** the rest, be Yourself as best as you can. Tell your ego to shut up and let you heal Gaia and All that is incarnated in Her in these Magical times. You wanna be scared? Your choice. I choose to Center myself and have peace no matter what. I choose to embody Joy. I choose to embody God. Shadows are an illusion. Good luck with your lessons. Be gentle with yourself.

    (09-18-2018, 11:57 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote:
    (09-18-2018, 11:00 PM)GentleReckoning Wrote: Ra is simply referring to matching the polarity of those in your environment. Those that are more STS than you are will simply remove energy from you as you work towards your conscious goals, thus creating the situation where you gain little to no actual progress until you are able to armor yourself so to speak against those that infringe against you.

    This changing of polarities creating massive amounts of light/love, allowing nearly instantaneous balancing of pretty much anything. Although you develop psychopathic tendencies until a 6th density positive pulls you out of your armor so to speak.

    The more work you consciously do towards your goals, the faster this process can be circumvented. It simply requires forcing yourself to work towards your goals. Simple.

    If you don't, then it's shadowland baby!

    So you're saying if I work on my goals here in 3D, I am safe and the fear goes away?

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    09-19-2018, 12:26 AM
    Once your bubble breaks, your stuck grounding to a certain extent. That's unavoidable.

    The work you fear is creation itself. The harming and changing of physical reality. The mistakes, the potential harm you cause others, the potential hurt you cause completely unknowingly.

    Imagine the monk that is afraid to hurt an insect. Now imagine that monk in a typical small town in America. Who wins?

    To Shiva, any motion at all is harm. If you've avoided action or work for a time, then you may have put yourself in an illusory state where you can exist without harming anything. This is the illusion that it is good to wake from, work is well rewarded as it is what sustains us in a 3rd density polarized technocratic society.

    Be well.
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    09-19-2018, 04:10 AM
    (09-18-2018, 07:19 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote:
    (09-18-2018, 12:59 PM)MaXiiMo Wrote: Oh oh oh and I just read something on Law of One yesterday which gave me (and I'm sure Don at the time), and hopefully will give you a large sigh if relief. The timing is so uncanny I think God has responded to your inner prayer already lolz. It was something Carla was channeling regarding how many Wanderers incarnate for Service to Others (Positive) and end up going into the Negative. The first question that Dons beautiful soul posed received an affirmative from Ra in such a hypothetical situation to occur. The second question Don asked so lovingly receiving an ever more relieving answer my beloved Ra stating the absolute rarity of such an occurrence: 1 at the time of beloved Carlas channeling:

    "69.10 ▶ Questioner: Now, has a Wanderer ever been so infringed upon by, shall I say, a negative adept or whoever and then placed in negative time/space?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

    69.11 ▶ Questioner: Can you tell me of the situation that the Wanderer finds itself in and why the path back cannot be the simple moving back into the same value of positive time/space?

    Ra: I am Ra. The path back revolves, firstly, about the higher self’s reluctance to enter negative space/time. This may be a significant part of the length of that path. Secondly, when a positively oriented entity incarnates in a thoroughly negative environment it must needs learn/teach the lessons of the love of self thus becoming one with its other-selves.

    When this has been accomplished the entity may then choose to release the potential difference and change polarities.

    However, the process of learning the accumulated lessons of love of self may be quite lengthy. Also the entity, in learning these lessons, may lose much positive orientation during the process and the choice of reversing polarities may be delayed until the mid-sixth density. All of this is, in your way of measurement, time-consuming although the end result is well.

    69.12 ▶ Questioner: Is it possible to tell me roughly how many Wanderers that have come to this planet within this master cycle have experienced this displacement into a negative time/space? Just wondering if there have been many.

    Ra: I am Ra. We can note the number of such occurrences. There has been only one. We cannot, due to the Law of Confusion, discuss the entity."

    Matter of fact its a crazy synchronicity as to how accurately this answers your question  :idea: hope this helps All  Shy

    That's scary as s***! How does that give me asigh of relief?!

    But that was the thing that got me worried I think. The fact that you brought it up right as a latest wave of fear hut me and called it synchronicity, right after I also got hit with a 111 angel sign during the fear attack (it means be careful of your thoughts as they have manifestation effects. It came while I started to think about itnthen really stsrted freaking out) onky makes it worse. Why would that relieve me?


    PLEASE TELL ME MOM'S RIGHT and angel numbers are bullshit...

    You are taking everything way too literally. We all have demons and negative thoughts, just accept that part of yourself and move on.

    I suggest you see a psychologist, I don't think we're the kind of people that can help with what you are dealing with, you might have an underlying problem that's the root cause of this.

    If you need a quote to ease your mind, then please, have this.

    Quote:16.39 ▶ Questioner: I am assuming it is not necessary for an individual to understand the Law of One to go from third to fourth density. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.
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    10-22-2018, 04:34 AM
    I too was terrified of this potential (being transported), I can't help but be scared for the one that was lost. However I think it's important to remember that it happened (and can only ever happen) under very specific conditions. Firstly, you have to have the ability to leave your body (which Carla did), secondly you have to be leaving your body for the purpose of service (not experimentation or curiosity, but a high level of pure service), and thirdly, the link back to your physical body has to be severed, resulting in the death of the physical body.

    So in that case, here you are, alive in 3D, animating the human body which safely anchors you here, surrounded by the warmth and light of the sun, the singing of birds and people that love you. You live on a globe that is highly protected by guardians. Don't we have many more reasons to believe that we reside in a heavenly realm rather than the opposite?

    An issue with "spirituality" is that it is really high stakes, there is no real way to know anything for sure, no way for our deepest spiritual fears to be absolutely, beyond a doubt, proven to be wrong. It can be difficult for sensitive people who intuitively feel all the implications of an idea. There is a dark side to every concept, it's acute cleverness that allows you to see it so well. The faith that all will be well is just that - faith. There are no good objective rationales to have this faith other than we might as well. I am reminded that true love is unconditional, and from this I realise a little better how we are able to persist on this planet in such an unconditional state.
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    10-22-2018, 10:08 AM (This post was last modified: 01-18-2021, 08:12 AM by Agua.)
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    10-22-2018, 10:57 AM (This post was last modified: 10-22-2018, 10:58 AM by AnthroHeart.)
    I used to think I was going to be harvested negative because I thought when I was climbing the densities that it was going to set the world on fire.
    It was all because of that scene from Spirit of the Forest where someone sets their clubhouse on fire.
    When I realized this I nearly threw up.

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    10-22-2018, 05:01 PM (This post was last modified: 10-22-2018, 05:05 PM by EvolvingPhoenix.)
    (10-22-2018, 04:34 AM)Louisabell Wrote: I too was terrified of this potential (being transported), I can't help but be scared for the one that was lost. However I think it's important to remember that it happened (and can only ever happen) under very specific conditions. Firstly, you have to have the ability to leave your body (which Carla did), secondly you have to be leaving your body for the purpose of service (not experimentation or curiosity, but a high level of pure service), and thirdly, the link back to your physical body has to be severed, resulting in the death of the physical body.

    So in that case, here you are, alive in 3D, animating the human body which safely anchors you here, surrounded by the warmth and light of the sun, the singing of birds and people that love you. You live on a globe that is highly protected by guardians. Don't we have many more reasons to believe  that we reside in a heavenly realm rather than the opposite?

    An issue with "spirituality" is that it is really high stakes, there is no real way to know anything for sure, no way for our deepest spiritual fears to be absolutely, beyond a doubt, proven to be wrong. It can be difficult for sensitive people who intuitively feel all the implications of an idea. There is a dark side to every concept, it's acute cleverness that allows you to see it so well. The faith that all will be well is just that - faith. There are no good objective rationales to have this faith other than we might as well. I am reminded that true love is unconditional, and from this I realise a little better how we are able to persist on this planet in such an unconditional state.

    Thank you for telling me this. I needed to hear this. My understanding (or rather, lack thereof) is GREATLY distorted.

    I tell myself that quote "3rd density is not the density of understanding" quite often when I have this fear.

    Won't be doing any channelings, that's for sure! NOT. FOR. ME. Nope!

    Funny how my brain thinks of ways to f*** with me about this no matter how much comforting s*** I get told.

    My fear's fucking with me even now!

    Thank you for helping to drive home the point that no matter how much my fear fucks with me, my understanding is so distorted that I can at least rest easy knowing that I'm just stressing out over what I DON'T understand enough to have a good grip on.

    And thank you Agua for clearing up the confusion further.

    Although I don't quite understand what you just said. dunno if that's good or bad, but I feel like the key takeaway is that I'm SAFE to heal these traumas here int he physical reality, where I can stay safely grounded.

    God, I'm getting panic attacks RIGHT NOW. Even still. Ugh. At least I know it's all just trauma looking to be healed here in 3D positive time/space. thanky ou both for clearing things up enough for me to get that better.

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    10-22-2018, 08:12 PM
    (10-22-2018, 10:08 AM)Agua Wrote: Second is, as long as its not fully healed, trauma still exists in a timeless realm.
    So the fear in my opinion is actually to be "transported" into that specific timeless realm where trauma is happening right now.
    This is not negative time/space, but someone who senses deeply negative imcidents there (and fears to access them) could easily i terpret this as megative time/space.
    So, the perceiption in fact is correct, but the interpretation as negative time/space is wrong.

    Agua, I believe these insights are brilliant and very useful for the very long game of unravelling distortions and integrating back parts of the self. I will no doubt take some time to deeply consider how they may apply to me.

    However as someone who has been recovering from an anxiety disorder myself, I profoundly understand that when worked up in a panicked state, the rational centres of the brain are cut off, making it difficult to process complex information. Therefore, just going through the facts of the triggering fear can help reassure and temporarily alleviate some immediate symptoms. As a matter of the fact, if Carla became trapped in negative time/space then her body would have become a vegetable, so there is no way to be stuck there if you are currently alive. Additionally negative time/space is dark/empty to a positive entity as there is nothing there that attracts to you, therefore if you are interacting with people that care for you here, then you are evidently in a positive time/space. Moreover, it was clearly specified that at the time of natural death, there is enough protection in place to prevent the transportation of a soul to an "inappropriate" time/space locality. I'm not really writing this for you, as you probably know this already, but just writing this in general for anyone who also develops this fear and peruses this thread.

    I would say that this situation of being trapped in negative time/space is the "hell of the bible" equivilant in the Ra Material. When one is under heavy persecution, whether part self-inflicted or not, it is easy to think that somehow, someway, this torment is destined for them. It's not so much a rational thing, but I believe stems from the sense of impending doom that can follow someone dealing with deep trauma.
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    10-23-2018, 06:09 AM
    Louisabel, I take away from your post 2 things: we are i positive timespace and im protected when I die. the rest I skimmed over be ause I found it stressful. Thank you for sharing.


    I dont think i will be returning to this thread. Too much new info my mind stresses out with. Fortunately, I am using an anti stress subliminal. So i will take my mind off of this and let the sub do its thing.
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