Meat Eating v Plant-Based (video, balanced spiritual take in my opinion)

[schubert]

For myself, I admit I am not entirely convinced that there is any singular diet which is the end-all "best" diet for humans. From what it seems to me, human bodies vary immensely in their construction and needs. I think that in general most people would be perfectly fine on a plant-based diet, but not everyone.

For example, my fiance was raised in a vegan/vegetarian household, and she has issues with iron deficiency and can become anemic. They tried many different supplements which weren't effective, and due to her wide array of allergies many of the typical plant-based alternatives are not options. However, when she eats meat, she is able to maintain her iron levels and doesn't become anemic. This is actually very difficult for her because she is incredibly dedicated to animals and is very conscientious of their suffering. Sometimes, it's not as simple of a choice for different people. One of my friends' father actually can't eat plants at all because of a surgery procedure which affected his intestines, he can only process meat. I think it is a tricky topic to make vast generalizations about, as I think is the case for anything regarding health, personally.

I feel like it goes without saying the cruelty that exists through factory farming, it is pretty plain to see there is nothing natural about it. I live in a place where there are a lot of hippies and people who try to live off the land. Plenty of foragers and hunters.

What I think we need is to "go back" to the creation of food forests. When Europeans first came to the "new world" they were amazed to find long trails and areas which were lined with berries and other foods. These had been crafted over hundreds of years by the many indigenous peoples. The real question is, why have we put food in a box? Food can be grown in so many places, it should be lining the streets and collected for communities by communities. We have to stop putting nature "out there" and let it in to the cities so that it can nourish us.

i don't think there are issues with people's bodies having different constructions or needs, but rather individual issues with getting essential nutrients that haven't been worked out. i'm coming to believe that on the physical level, we're not all that different and can all thrive on a high vibe diet of fruits and vegetables, if we desire to and when it's done correctly (just like an omnivore diet has to be done correctly to be healthy, which it usually isn't, just look at the stat that 133 million americans have chronic illness and how common heart disease is). we're all the same species after all.

there's also the whole energetic side of things. eating higher vibrational foods like fruits and vegetables raises your overall frequency and you have to be willing to release what's incompatible. i think this is big factor that doesn't get talked about much for why many people are disinterested in veganism. a diet high in plants will bring in more high frequency which will bring to the surface lower frequencies someone's holding onto (buried emotions, low vibrational beliefs/thoughts). article on measuring frequency of food: https://quantumhealthconsulting.com/huma...nd-fields/

medical medium has mentioned that many iron supplements don't work and recommends plant-based ones. i'll also quickly throw out there that medical medium is not anti-meat. conventional science/doctors usually don't have answers for chronic illness, and given the dark groups who have been at the top i believe that's by design. if you look at the lack of progress that science has made in addressing the epidemic of chronic illness while continuing to put out bogus studies about how coffee, chocolate, and matcha are good for you, it's ridiculous. medical medium is way ahead and brings real healing info because he gets his info from a higher dimensional being. interestingly enough, magenta pixie from the video i linked said that the beings she's in communication with confirmed that medical medium info is accurate. a while ago when i was transitioning my diet, i had energy issues and was almost certainly iron deficient but right now my energy levels are better than ever. i use a little bit of dulse (seaweed) in the heavy metal detox smoothie i have each day (dulse also provides iodine), and have potatoes (the skin is high in iron), spinach and/or kale almost every day. these are all high in iron. another point is that it's good to take things slow when transitioning to eating more fruits/greens because it takes time for the body to get used to digesting these foods. the more you eat them, the more your gut microbiome builds/adapts to be able to properly digest them. if we were raised on these foods then this wouldn't be an issue.

food allergy tests are a sham. it's a shame because they will tell people not to eat the foods they ought to eat to heal. unless someone actually has anaphylactic shock after eating a food, they are likely fine to eat it. sometimes people eat fruits/veggies and the reaction they have is actually a detox symptom because that food is going in and detoxing the mess created by foods that feed viruses like eggs, dairy, gluten, etc. the misinformation of allergy tests could potentially be holding back your fiance from taking a plant-based iron supplement that would solve her iron issues! please note i'm not trying to diagnose anything in this comment, i'm trying to provide clarity about these issues as best i understand.

"Perhaps you’ve been told you’re allergic to certain fruits or vegetables, like celery or apples, but you’ve never noticed any reactions. Or perhaps you haven’t been told you’re allergic to a particular fruit or vegetable, but after you eat it, you experience symptoms like bloating, stomachache, headache, fatigue, itchiness, or burning sensations. There are many tests available that claim to show if you’re allergic to certain foods. Unfortunately, these tests aren’t always accurate, and they often provide people with misinformation that can lead to confusion and frustration." https://www.medicalmedium.com/blog/heali...-allergies

i think these issues of gut microbiome/other digestive issues leading to malabsorption, the energetic/spiritual component, and issues with getting essential nutrients (sourcing them in forms that are absorbable) leads to the belief that people have different needs and that some diets don't work for people, when really it's a lack of understanding.

i obviously don't know anything about your friend's father's surgery and condition, but i question the doctor's recommendation that he can't eat plants at all because that's obviously going to lead to deficiencies and shoot, probably a heart attack. this article would potentially be able to provide him real guidance as these illnesses involve instestinal lining damage/sensitivity: https://www.medicalmedium.com/blog/crohns-colitis-ibs. when people eat leafy greens and experience stomach pain, it's actually the leafy greens sweeping through the instestinal and knocking loose/clearing out old food matter. so it's not the plants causing the issue but rather the toxic environment being cleaned up. eating foods high in fat such as meat can end up feeding viruses that create more inflammation and sensitivity.

on a brighter note, what you said about food forests is really awesome! i think people getting more in touch with nature and growing more of their own food is the future. community gardens come to mind. this system we have where the many rely on the few to mass produce their food is unstable.

[confusedseeker]

India has a huge issue with anemia as well, especially among women; it's really a shame. Theoretically vegetarian diet just doesn't have enough iron, and their menstrual cycles make it necessary (depending on genetics) to replenish. Anemia is much more prevalent amongst women for this reason. A LOT boils down to personal genetics and the diet of geographical ancestors. As an Indian, my ancestors ate a ton of fiber and dairy, so I do quite well with those two elements. Someone with eskimo/nordic lineage would probably do great with lots of fish (raw). Price noted that Eskimos were some of the healthiest specimens he encountered, and their diet consisted of tons of raw seafood, and very little plants....but keep in mind they would eat the ENTIRE animal, with all the organs. Organ meat is some of the most nutritious food on the planet.

I think about 80% of vegans in the US are women. About 80-85% of vegetarians return to eating meat. I think plant based is great if you can handle it, just don't force it on to developing children...and I grow skeptical when it's promoted by big corps and elites who promote it as part of a "Green" movement.

[schubert]

India has a huge issue with anemia as well, especially among women; it's really a shame.  Theoretically vegetarian diet just doesn't have enough iron, and their menstrual cycles make it necessary (depending on genetics) to replenish.  Anemia is much more prevalent amongst women for this reason.  A LOT boils down to personal genetics and the diet of geographical ancestors.  As an Indian, my ancestors ate a ton of fiber and dairy, so I do quite well with those two elements.  Someone with eskimo/nordic lineage would probably do great with lots of fish (raw).   Price noted that Eskimos were some of the healthiest specimens he encountered, and their diet consisted of tons of raw seafood, and very little plants....but keep in mind they would eat the ENTIRE animal, with all the organs.  Organ meat is some of the most nutritious food on the planet.  

I think about 80% of vegans in the US are women. About 80-85% of vegetarians return to eating meat.  I think plant based is great if you can handle it, just don't force it on to developing children...and I grow skeptical when it's promoted by big corps and elites who promote it as part of a "Green" movement.

"Even though iron in the right amounts is good for you, Epstein-Barr, shingles, and other pathogens feed on this metal. Almost all cases of anemia are caused by a low-grade viral infection. You should therefore avoid iron supplements that are not plant-based. Increase your iron naturally by eating spinach, barley grass juice powder, parsley, wild blueberries, grapes (black, purple, or red), blackberries, cilantro, burdock root (juiced), potatoes (with skins), kale, sprouts, squash, pumpkin seeds (in small amounts), asparagus, sulfur-free dried apricots, and other fruits, leafy greens, herbs, wild foods, and vegetables with relatively high amounts of iron. EBV, shingles and others are unlikely to consume iron from these sources because fruits, leafy greens, herbs, wild foods, and vegetables contain natural anti-pathogenic properties." - https://www.medicalmedium.com/blog/suppl...ic-illness

dairy feeds viruses and pathogens. if dairy is popular in india, then that would help explain why anemia is a prevalent issue. a vegetarian/vegan diet has plenty of iron if you eat foods with iron. saying it "theoretically doesn't have enough iron" is simply biased and uninformed. if someone doesn't put in any effort to include essential nutrients like iron in their diet, that's not the diet's fault, that's their fault. omnivore and vegan diets can both be done healthily or unhealthily. i looked up where cattle gets their iron and apparently it's supplemented, unless they have access to grass (74% of farmed land animals are factory farmed so most don't). if you're getting your iron from meat that isn't free range, you're essentially getting your iron supplemented secondhand.

you mention vegetarians returning to eating meat. have you asked why? your comment comes across as insinuating that a vegetarian/vegan diet isn't healthy/viable. you must know that stat includes all number of silly reasons like the massive amount of societal pressure to eat meat/animal products, people not putting in effort to meet their nutritional needs, not getting enough carbs, not having a strong motive in the first place, etc. not to mention the massive amount of chronic illness with people who eat an omnivore diet, so it's not like returning to eating meat magically solves everything.

about not forcing plant-based on children.. have you ever considered that we force animal products on children? you know in the u.s. the obesity rate hit 42% in 2020. that's obviously not all because of animal products, but it is a large component as meat and dairy are high in fat and calories. there's also the issue of feeding kids the suffering energy that comes along with meat, especially if it was factory farmed. i follow someone online who said she didn't want to eat meat as a kid and questioned it and her family pressured her into it saying things like "this is what's normal." she was upset telling this story and clearly very empathetic towards animals, she's vegan now.

kids need glucose to develop. glucose is what the brain is made out of, it's the the main building block of muscle growth and it's what fuels the body. fruits and starchy vegetables are the cleanest, most easily digestible ways to get glucose, while also being very nutritious and low in calories. the fuel you get out of meat is literally the blood sugar leftover in the flesh. that's some vampire sh*t! if i had a kid, why would i want to feed them THAT, when i could feed them fruit and potatoes? if someone is having issues with their kid getting iron, they can incorporate more iron-rich foods or a plant-based iron supplement.

not saying you're doing this, but i know a lot of people try to paint vegetarianism/veganism as being unhealthy/unviable as a way to justify eating meat to themselves and not feel guilty about it.

ultimately all nutrition comes from plants, whether it's an herbivore eating plants directly, or a carnivore eating an herbivore that ate the plants. we're humans, it's the modern age and we're smart and resourceful so why not cut out the middleman and save killing animals if we can.

[confusedseeker]

not saying you're doing this, but i know a lot of people try to paint vegetarianism/veganism as being unhealthy/unviable as a way to justify eating meat to themselves and not feel guilty about it.

ultimately all nutrition comes from plants, whether it's an herbivore eating plants directly, or a carnivore eating an herbivore that ate the plants. we're humans, it's the modern age and we're smart and resourceful so why not cut out the middleman and save killing animals if we can.

1. Not at all, I KNOW it's unhealthy for me.  I'm not an expert but I know enough and have experimented enough to know what's going on with the diet industry.  I have no guilt about eating meat.  I cherish animals and farming ( like my ancestors did), and I only consume humanely raised, grass fed, organic food sources (mostly local), and my dairy is usually raw from a local farm.  All my veggies/fruits are organic as well, ideally from small local farms.  

2.  That's not how nature works.  You can't just "cut out the middleman."  A cheetah can't just "cut out the middleman" when he's hunting for a rabbit and simply nibble on carrots and grass for nutrition...their digestive system is made to digest and absorb the nutrients from meat.  A human's digestive system is made to be omnivore, and it digests meat the easiest and absorbs essential nutrients the best from meat (no gas, bloating, literally almost no one is 'allergic' to red meat).  The average male needs about 2,000 calories daily for adequate energy.  We don't have a huge stomach like gorillas who can just eat bananas and leaves, and we don't have gigantic 4 stomach structures like cows to eat veg all day and gain energy from fermentation of plant matter either.  Nature has it's own food pyramid, and I'm thankful for it, and I try to adhere to it as humanely and healthfully as possible. Now that I understand what nutrition REALLY is and the systems/powers/propaganda that are in place to take that away from us and control us, I know I can never turn back.  The amount of processed foods a lot of vegans eat is gross imo (oils, supplements, powders, cringy fake meat full of garbage funded by Bill Gates and other tech oligarchs), among other problems with that particular diet.  

A lot of the veggies you see in the produce section didn't even exist in that form, we've genetically engineered most of it to be plump and juicy.  Our ancestors used produce as a quick burst of energy (small fruits and berries, maybe some starch and roots IF they had time to cook, kale is actually toxic, broccoli is pretty much man made), but the meals they cherished and celebrated together...and HONORED, were primarily animal.  Out of the three macronutrients, there is only one that is not essential: carbs....the food pyramid was a lie fed to us by the grain/wheat/corn industry to get us to load up and look what has happened to our collective health.  An American diet is now about 70% plant based, loaded with carbs and sugars and processed/refined oils.  What you said about children was frightening, but I'd rather not touch an emotional topic such as that. There is a reason why they need a mother's breast milk to develop (and not the soy based BS formulas we've created in a lab or whatever), which is loaded with cholesterol and full animal fat.    

The good news is, people are waking up and doing their own research now; people are breaking free of the propaganda and programming.  I just caution people about going too extreme in either direction, though I have seen some amazing stories of people going fully carnivore (I just don't think it's sustainable): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FuC8Hn0KRQ.  If you suffer from some food allergies or weird digestive issues, a minimal diet like carnivore might be great to try for a month or so to help isolate an issue and give your system a "reset" of sorts.  

Best of luck on your nutrition journey.

[Dtris]

kids need glucose to develop. glucose is what the brain is made out of, it's the the main building block of muscle growth and it's what fuels the body. fruits and starchy vegetables are the cleanest, most easily digestible ways to get glucose, while also being very nutritious and low in calories. the fuel you get out of meat is literally the blood sugar leftover in the flesh. that's some vampire sh*t! if i had a kid, why would i want to feed them THAT, when i could feed them fruit and potatoes? if someone is having issues with their kid getting iron, they can incorporate more iron-rich foods or a plant-based iron supplement.

Glucose is not what the brain is made of. The old advice that the brain needs sugar for fuel is also not true. Glucose is also not a building block of muscle growth.

Fruits do not only contain glucose, they contain fructose as well and usually more than glucose. Fructose cannot be used directly for fuel and must be converted to glucose or fat. Starchy vegetables contain complex carbohydrates which must be broken down to be used or converted to fat. Very few foods contain Glucose by itself. Most foods contain a combination or other sugars like sucrose, fructose, lactose, maltose, or complex sugars.

There is almost no blood or blood sugar in meat. The blood is drained when the animal is cleaned because it will sour the meat. You also do not need glucose for fuel. Your body can operate indefinitely without any exogenous glucose. Only red blood cells and eyes require glucose as the only energy source of ATP. Every other part of the body, including the brain, has multiple pathways to create ATP. The small amount of glucose needed by those two structures is around 20 grams per day and can be created by gluconeogenesis from protein if needed.

There is some glycogen in meat, which is how the body stores glucose for short term storage. The body cannot store glucose long term. For long term storage the body converts glucose and other sugars into fat. This is why bears and other hibernating animals eat lots of plants in the fall, so they gain fat before winter. Glucose and other sugars in the blood are very harmful. This is why the body secretes insulin which starts the process of turning sugar into fat to be stored if there is no immediate need for it. Insulin is also harmful which is why you can develop insulin resistance which leads to diabetes, since the cells adapt to high insulin levels caused by high sugar intake.

The fuel the body gets from meat is in the very small amount of sugar in the form of glycogen, the protein, and the fat. Meat contains about 20-30 grams of protein per 100 grams of meat depending on the source. Three ounces of ribeye steak has 11 grams of fat and 24 grams of protein for right around 200 calories. Beef is considered to have zero carbohydrates because the amount of glycogen in the muscle is too low on a unit basis to be significant.

Fruit and potatoes goes very well with a steak.

[Diana]

... I'm not an expert but I know enough and have experimented enough to know what's going on with the diet industry.  I have no guilt about eating meat.  I cherish animals and farming ( like my ancestors did), and I only consume humanely raised, grass fed, organic food sources (mostly local), and my dairy is usually raw from a local farm.  All my veggies/fruits are organic as well, ideally from small local farms.  

This is a great way to view the food you eat. Ethical considerations for the life taken for food is commendable.

The vast majority of people on this planet are still not aware of these ethical considerations for life forms other than human. So anyone who takes a step away from supporting factory farming is doing a great service to others in my opinion.

My philosophy is to do the least harm. I apply this to myself as well as the world I live in. So I do concern myself with honoring the body I have, and this includes supplying it with nutrition. I just think nutrition is about more than just the physical aspects of the food.

I see doing the least harm as being as healthy as I can be while assuming the responsibility in how I do that, for myself, the environment, and all other-selvesI interact with here at this time in 3D-early 4D. The greatest thing on that list of doing the least harm, to me, for everything involved, is to cease factory farming animals. It's excessively cruel and destructive on many levels of existence.

Human health is one thing, and it is a very important thing, as we are responsible for ourselves. It is primary, if you will. But it does eventually go beyond human health in my opinion. It goes to the health of this planet and all the life forms on it. It goes to evolution of consciousness, which at this time is moving beyond 3D.

The amount of processed foods a lot of vegans eat is gross imo (oils, supplements, powders, cringy fake meat full of garbage funded by Bill Gates and other tech oligarchs), among other problems with that particular diet.  

I don't know about "a lot of vegans," but I will say this about anyone who does choose to be vegan: there is likely some consideration for others-selves (humans are not the only creatures here). And, in my life, I just don't see what you see. Anyone I know who is vegan (which, admittedly is not a huge number of people but is nonetheless significant) is also informed about nutrition and what is unhealthy. Oils for example—I don't know any vegans who consume unhealthy oils. And on the other hand, I know few omnivores who even understand trans fats. So, we can't lump vegans into a category of idiots who eat processed foods and don't know anything about nutrition.

....the food pyramid was a lie fed to us by the grain/wheat/corn industry to get us to load up and look what has happened to our collective health.  An American diet is now about 70% plant based, loaded with carbs and sugars and processed/refined oils.

What is left out of this equation is the millions spent by the meat and dairy industry to advertise its very profitable products which rely on the extreme torture and abuse of helpless and innocent animals.

The old food pyramid is garbage, I agree.

I beg to differ on your assessment of the typical American diet. Never has the American diet been more full of meat, and the worst kind of meat. Yes, processed sugars and grains and packaged nutritionless products (basically the whole middle of the grocery store) contribute. But if one looks at rural 3rd-world cultures, where grains (like rice) are eaten with an absolute minimum of meat, you see healthier individuals who live longer and aren't obese. 

Typical Americans eat meat at every meal—not like the Asian way with small amounts of meat, but as the main item—and that meat is mostly from factory farms. And this is just cooking at home. You just can't site the harm of eating grains, which may be relevant or not, without siting the harm of consuming animals especially in the way Americans do.

What you said about children was frightening, but I'd rather not touch an emotional topic such as that. There is a reason why they need a mother's breast milk to develop (and not the soy based BS formulas we've created in a lab or whatever), which is loaded with cholesterol and full animal fat.

I agree. Any substitute for mother's breast milk is like the processed foods in the middle of the grocery store. People's lives are busy, so I suppose that is why these producst are chosen. But why have a child if you are too busy even to feed it properly?

[flofrog]

I am with you Diana, but also I think that there is way more talk about vegan than before, which is good, and confusedseeker pinpointed the fact that there are some smart little people who jumped on it, and started to create processed vegan food that just didn't exist before, lol.

[confusedseeker]

I am with you Diana, but also I think that there is way more talk about vegan than before,  which is good,   and confusedseeker pinpointed the fact that there are some smart little people who jumped on it,  and started to create processed vegan food  that just didn't exist before, lol.

yes and they are also buying up all the farmland.

[confusedseeker]

What is left out of this equation is the millions spent by the meat and dairy industry to advertise its very profitable products which rely on the extreme torture and abuse of helpless and innocent animals.

I definitely agree with you here, but these days this isn't really what I'm seeing shoved into our faces every other commericial/advertisement.  I rarely see commercials for Milk or Beef or Eggs, but I see tons upon tons of commercials for grain products/processed carbs/sugary drink substances and candy/processed meat alternatives....I do see stuff for processed red meat though (fast food burgers, weird beef snacks), which no one should ever eat ever lol.


I'll just say there is another huge element that supersedes even the food you put into your body: sunlight.  Sunlight is what makes everything go and it's been totally neglected by our medical professionals/industry.  This is why all the "lockdowns" to keep us inside all day were utterly useless and silly.  Sunlight and Vitamin D are probably the most important things we can get.

[Diana]

I'll just say there is another huge element that supersedes even the food you put into your body: sunlight.  Sunlight is what makes everything go and it's been totally neglected by our medical professionals/industry.  This is why all the "lockdowns" to keep us inside all day were utterly useless and silly.  Sunlight and Vitamin D are probably the most important things we can get.

I agree. What comes to mind is the Native American idea of Father Sun and Mother Earth. For without these two basic entities, we would not be here.

I would note one connection between sunlight and food, and that is that plants photosynthesize, which brings me closer to consuming light. Of course food animals also consume the plants, but now we have another layer of processing before it gets us. I just see plant-eating as one step closer to the future of consuming some kind of light, in addition to other considerations. But that is just the way I see it.

[confusedseeker]

I'll just say there is another huge element that supersedes even the food you put into your body: sunlight.  Sunlight is what makes everything go and it's been totally neglected by our medical professionals/industry.  This is why all the "lockdowns" to keep us inside all day were utterly useless and silly.  Sunlight and Vitamin D are probably the most important things we can get.

I agree. What comes to mind is the Native American idea of Father Sun and Mother Earth. For without these two basic entities, we would not be here.

I would note one connection between sunlight and food, and that is that plants photosynthesize, which brings me closer to consuming light. Of course food animals also consume the plants, but now we have another layer of processing before it gets us. I just see plant-eating as one step closer to the future of consuming some kind of light, in addition to other considerations. But that is just the way I see it.

If you ever have an hour and a half to kill, give this a listen, it's a great talk by Dr Jack Kruse, spine specialist and neurosurgeon. One of the few medical professionals who talks about the importance of sunlight/electrons and how blue light from technology is destroying us. You may have noticed more and more people wearing amber/orange tinted glasses indoors to block the blue light, well he was one of the guys that started that trend. You can guy pretty cheap blue light blocking glasses these days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-_DTk9hYvI

[Diana]

If you ever have an hour and a half to kill, give this a listen, it's a great talk by Dr Jack Kruse, spine specialist and neurosurgeon.  One of the few medical professionals who talks about the importance of sunlight/electrons and how blue light from technology is destroying us.  You may have noticed more and more people wearing amber/orange tinted glasses indoors to block the blue light, well he was one of the guys that started that trend.  You can guy pretty cheap blue light blocking glasses these days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-_DTk9hYvI

I will. I am getting ready to order a pair of glasses (I'm near-sighted) with blue-light tech. But I wear contacts most of the time, so thanks for the reminder. I work at a computer a lot, so I should have some glasses for that too when my contacts are in.

[Dtris]

If you ever have an hour and a half to kill, give this a listen, it's a great talk by Dr Jack Kruse, spine specialist and neurosurgeon.  One of the few medical professionals who talks about the importance of sunlight/electrons and how blue light from technology is destroying us.  You may have noticed more and more people wearing amber/orange tinted glasses indoors to block the blue light, well he was one of the guys that started that trend.  You can guy pretty cheap blue light blocking glasses these days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-_DTk9hYvI

Thanks for the mention, I just ordered some glasses for myself and coworkers that block blue light.