Bring4th Forums
  • Login Register
    Login
    Username:
    Password:
  • Archive Home
  • Members
  • Team
  • Help
  • More
    • About Us
    • Library
    • L/L Research Store
User Links
  • Login Register
    Login
    Username:
    Password:

    Menu Home Today At a Glance Members CSC & Team Help
    Also visit... About Us Library Blog L/L Research Store Adept Biorhythms

    As of Friday, August 5th, 2022, the Bring4th forums on this page have been converted to a permanent read-only archive. If you would like to continue your journey with Bring4th, the new forums are now at https://discourse.bring4th.org.

    You are invited to enjoy many years worth of forum messages brought forth by our community of seekers. The site search feature remains available to discover topics of interest. (July 22, 2022) x

    Bring4th Bring4th Studies L/L Research Channeling Archives sleep and our unsual ignorant within the creation

    Thread: sleep and our unsual ignorant within the creation


    Sacred Fool (Offline)

    becoming transparent to eternity
    Posts: 1,965
    Threads: 61
    Joined: Oct 2009
    #1
    04-14-2022, 01:08 AM
    This is Don Elkins channeling Hatonn in 1974.

    https://www.llresearch.org/channeling/1974/0209

    Quote:We were, for quite some time, confused about the conditions that are manifested upon your surface, and the reason for the turmoil. It took us some time to understand the state of total ignorance that is in evidence among your peoples. This is not a condition that is often found in this creation, for the Father has given to each of His children an understanding that is within them.  This understanding is within all of the peoples throughout all of space, and it is within the people of this planet. However, since they have not sought this understanding that is theirs, that is a part of them, they have continued in directions brought about by desires that have nothing to do with truth. Desires created by intellectual games played in their waking state. They come in contact with truth only during their sleeping state.

    And if they did not come in contact with their innermost thoughts at this time, they would long since have ceased to exist, for a being cannot long exist in a condition of total lack of the Creator’s truth. For this reason you find it necessary to sleep. Sleep, my friends, is not a normal condition. It is something that the people of your planet do out of necessity.

    Unfortunately, this condition of sleep does not totally satisfy the requirements that are necessary if the truth of the creation is to be revealed in its totality. It is therefore necessary, if they are to return to this truth, to avail themselves to it in dally meditation.
    This, my friends, is why we cannot come directly to you, and land upon your surface and speak with you, for it would do no good. We must provide a spark, a clue, something for a start. A start of seeking, seeking that results in finding the truth that is within you.


    I thought this was worth sharing because is shows how supremely ignorant (clueless) our condition is upon our suffering little planet.  It hints at how important is the spiritual work which manages to be done under these trying conditions.  The part about sleep is interesting as well.
    [+] The following 3 members thanked thanked Sacred Fool for this post:3 members thanked Sacred Fool for this post
      • tadeus, pat19989, Spiritualchaos
    LeiwoUnion (Offline)

    The Sorrow of Neitherborn
    Posts: 278
    Threads: 2
    Joined: Nov 2020
    #2
    04-14-2022, 04:47 AM (This post was last modified: 04-14-2022, 04:50 AM by LeiwoUnion.)
    It is interesting, yet somewhat obvious to the keen mind.

    The sleep question I've wondered for a long time, as I've always managed well with little sleep on average. I consider myself extremely well rested after 6 hours of sleep, and can normally function during the day with 5 hours sleep, lately even lower than this (just last night I slept for 4,5 hours and feel alright - not exactly super sharp, but functional). I don't wish to make this a spiritual ego issue but there seems to be a connection with the need of sleep rejuveneration and connection to 'higher realms' during waking hours. This topic is intriguing, and I'm constantly fine tuning my wake-sleep balance to see the connections to my physical and spiritual lives. Sometimes I overshoot and sometimes I undershoot. The balance point is constantly evolving in microscopic and also macroscopic sense. I feel this is important as the more I'm awake the more efficient my time usage/day will be, if I'm able to remain sharp and functional.

      •
    Diana (Offline)

    Fringe Dweller
    Posts: 4,580
    Threads: 62
    Joined: Jun 2011
    #3
    04-14-2022, 09:29 AM
    That is a very interesting take on why we need sleep. We do heal our minds in dreams, and our physical bodies when in REM, so it follows that we heal our spirits in sleep as well.

      •
    IndigoSalvia (Offline)

    We live in all things, all things live in Us
    Posts: 394
    Threads: 33
    Joined: Aug 2021
    #4
    04-14-2022, 10:20 AM (This post was last modified: 04-14-2022, 10:22 AM by IndigoSalvia.)
    (04-14-2022, 04:47 AM)LeiwoUnion Wrote: The sleep question I've wondered for a long time, as I've always managed well with little sleep on average.

    Interesting. I seem to require more sleep than others I know. If I don't get enough sleep, I am cranky and my cognitive functions are more sluggish. I enjoy sleep, a lot! 

    It's interesting that other entities don't require sleep to the extent (or at all) that humans do. 

    The veil is a fixture in all 3D as I understand it (not just here on Earth). And, it's been said that our veil is thicker, more intensive than 'usual.' 

    This quote caught my attention: "Desires created by intellectual games played in their waking state." I have been highly-reliant upon my brain: rationalizing what goes on within/around me, or trying to find logic to it ... making sense of this existence. 

    Perhaps these are 'intellectual games.' In retrospect, these are my attempts to predict (control) circumstances: if I understand and 'know' them, I can prevent bad things from happening. I also notice that my intellectual games are often focused on past/future ... not present: replaying things and projecting, in which I have no traction.

    Nap time ... Wink

      •
    tadeus (Offline)

    Wanderer
    Posts: 900
    Threads: 22
    Joined: Aug 2020
    #5
    04-15-2022, 03:54 AM (This post was last modified: 04-15-2022, 03:56 AM by tadeus.)
    My posts about ignorance here and here will better fit into this thread.

    (04-14-2022, 12:44 PM)tadeus Wrote: Here is an interesting Video that fits here:

    Ignorance is the Exercise of our Last Freedom (à la Krishnamurti)

    Min. 1:10 "Ignorance is a choice we make"

    When ignorance is a choice I would say it is a choice for STS ?

    (04-15-2022, 03:24 AM)tadeus Wrote:
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ignorance Wrote:Definition of ignorance

    : the state or fact of being ignorant : lack of knowledge, education, or awareness


    Definition of ignorant

    1a : destitute of knowledge or education an ignorant society also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified parents ignorant of modern mathematics

    1b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence ignorant errors

    2 : unaware, uninformed


    Definition of ignore


    transitive verb
    1 : to refuse to take notice of

    2 : to reject (a bill of indictment) as ungrounded


    The word ignorance is definitely ambiguous, in the dictionary it is connected to knowledge and intelligence onesided.
    I think in the video the word is used as noun for the verb ignore.

    The really difference is very subtle, because someone can ignore something because he has no knowledge about it - that is caused by the "sinkhole of indifference", or he has got the knowledge and is actively ignoring something by choice.
    This process of "actively ignoring something by choice" can be caused itself by psychological mechanisms such as cognitive dissonance or the panopticon.

      •
    pat19989 (Offline)

    Member
    Posts: 164
    Threads: 17
    Joined: May 2021
    #6
    04-15-2022, 10:17 AM
    Wow! very interesting tid bit about sleep, comes at a good time for me. I just noticed this week that the more I feel in tune with creation, the more "trouble" I have sleeping. Most likely because I don't need sleep as much at those times!

      •
    « Next Oldest | Next Newest »

    Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)



    • View a Printable Version
    • Subscribe to this thread

    © Template Design by D&D - Powered by MyBB

    Connect with L/L Research on Social Media

    Linear Mode
    Threaded Mode