[split] "Some people eat animals, some don't."

[Monica]

Well the biggest challenge to being a Breatharian is that others get worried. Honestly if it was just me, by myself, with no one else to worry about then yeah, I would probably be a Breatharian.

Let me know if you ever pull it off! That seems very advanced to me and I'm not sure I'm ready for that.

My reaction wasn't really about praise or lack thereof, I can't really describe it, a shift in emotional atmosphere. Maybe it was more the difference between concern and happiness or something similar. There was just something about the 'ease' with which Matt1 was embraced when I feel like all I've wanted is to feel accepted but have to claw tooth and nail to feel I'm not 'evil'. Yes, by all means, these are my issues.

In the end though, I think I've just exhausted myself and  exasperated my thoughts. It feels like I want something so simple, but I don't think there is any reason for me to get it. No, that is not on any of you, just me with myself.

Thank you for sharing your feelings. Once again my heart goes out to you. Seriously. You seems to be searching for clarity on this issue and I actually do appreciate that a lot, for what it's worth. I hope you understand that I can't embrace the eating of animals, but I hope you know that I do very much embrace YOU!

For what it's worth, I don't think you're evil. Blessings to you!      

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[Aion]

Honestly, I think for me I am caught in between what I truly believe and what is comfortable in a social sense. There are many aspects of my personality I feel are only there to make others like me, but I don't think this is healthy. I think I need to get over the desire to have everyone like me or identify with me, and more so get over the fear of separation. I feel that I've worked so hard to be unified that I've lost myself and now anytime I experience difference or separation with others I experience it as a loss or sacrifice of self.

I feel like I'm supposed to sacrifice my views in favor of yours and not because I genuinely share your view but because I automatically destroy my own in an attempt to be 'united', but more lately my own beliefs have been fighting back and trying to gain their own space and this creates a lot of internal conflict.

[Minyatur]

I think it's a blending of both, because unless one "converts" it goes on and on.

Don't worry Monica, I am well aware that you do this because all of this suffering makes your heart ache. No hard feelings.

Thankfully, the abolitionists didn't stop until slavery was declared illegal. That's what activists do, when there's oppression.

Thank you for understanding that yes, it's very difficult for us. I am just trying to make the distinction that it isn't about 'converting to a way of life' like converting to a religion or something like that. You know how religious people like to convert others, and want others to think like they do. In that case, it is very different because those of differing beliefs aren't hurting anyone, so there's a lack of acceptance for those who choose to live and believe differently. Look at how they don't accept gays even though gays aren't hurting anyone.

This is different because there are victims. It isn't about one's 'way of life' but the focus is on championing the victims.

It's a subtle but important distinction.

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Well from a christian perspective, they think people are going to hell and are trying to save their soul.

Despite the above, I do get your point fully. Just wanted to make a note that "some" christians for example can have good intentions in doing it.

[Monica]

Honestly, I think for me I am caught in between what I truly believe and what is comfortable in a social sense. There are many aspects of my personality I feel are only there to make others like me, but I don't think this is healthy. I think I need to get over the desire to have everyone like me or identify with me, and more so get over the fear of separation. I feel that I've worked so hard to be unified that I've lost myself and now anytime I experience difference or separation with others I experience it as a loss or sacrifice of self.

I feel like I'm supposed to sacrifice my views in favor of yours and not because I genuinely share your view but because I automatically destroy my own in an attempt to be 'united', but more lately my own beliefs have been fighting back and trying to gain their own space and this creates a lot of internal conflict.

Ah, that is very perceptive of you to realize that. I can relate very much because I felt like that as a child, as a teen, and even into my late 20s. Whenever I would talk to anyone, before saying anything I would wonder what I was 'supposed' to say. I couldn't just relax and be myself, for fear of not being accepted. In my case, it stemmed from growing up in a very negative, loveless, abusive household.

Does that sound anything like what you went through? Or, do you know what caused you to have these feelings? Have you felt like that all your life, or did it develop more recently?

In my case, many various healing therapies helped me, but probably what helped the most was getting a constitutional remedy from a homeopathic doctor. I remember very clearly feeling as though the mud had been wiped from my eyes, within literally one minute of taking the remedy. It was astonishing! I was still me, but that insecurity just vanished. Not that I don't still have other issues to work on, of course! (don't pounce on me for that, please!) but that particular issue literally vanished within seconds. It was the most amazing thing.

In my case, it was a combination of not actually knowing what I thought about something, and sometimes knowing what I thought but being afraid to express it, for fear of not being accepted. Because I had so much fear of not being accepted, I didn't allow myself to get clear on what I really felt about the issue.

Later, after the remedy cleared my thinking, I was better able to decide things for myself, and I marveled at how I didn't need approval from anyone to form my own opinions.

I was like that even with little things. I can see how it would be even harder, in regards to a topic as controversial as meat-eating! So you kind of have a double whammy there.

I hope you find healing! HUGS!

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[Monica]

Well from a christian perspective, they think people are going to hell and are trying to save their soul.

Despite the above, I do get your point fully. Just wanted to make a note that "some" christians for example can have good intentions in doing it.

I concede that point. Still, they are controlling because if someone wants to go to hell, they should have that freedom (no victims). But yes, I do see your point. It gets blurry when you get into the issue of non-Christians' children (perceived victims), etc.

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[Aion]

I think it's something that has always been part of me. I have always been the type to martyr myself for others while still strongly striving for my own individualism.

However, when I was younger and when there was less social need to interact with others I kept myself separate because I always felt I took on too much from others. I couldn't stand to touch people because I'd receive huge psychic impressions and empathy, I could feel in to their souls. That's still true enough although now I know how to limit the effect.

The truth is that I have had very uncommon views from a very young age. I spent much of my childhood in other bodies and astral traveling. I have always known that I am incarnate and that I have many other lives. I have always known that I can manipulate energy and telepathy is real. I always knew I came here to accomplish a specific task.

When I was younger I was super zen. I had many natural yogic abilities (such a virtual immunity to cold) and had such a strong awareness of my divine self.

Then the depression hit, and things are muddled. I discovered my deep dark side, my potential for greatness, power and selfishness. There is a violence in my being that I do not let out. Were I to allow myself to become corrupt it would be a nasty piece of work.

The truth is that I am being pulled betwixt light and darkness and neither seems to be letting up. The constant need to balance myself is exhausting.

[Minyatur]

I can understand your response to Monica, Minyatur, (though I don't agree that going on and on until there are converts is the only outcome), but what you said above originally is judgmental and adds to the intolerance at this forum for vegetarians. It adds to the ignorance of seeing other sides of things, which, if I know you at all, does not align with your mindset.

Wel I did an analysis of my rays this morning and the less active one is the blue ray. (funny with how much I write and talk) Made me think I should consciously work out more the thoughts that I share as I tend to simply be throwing thoughts around without filtering nor working on them. (usually, I do work on them sometimes) So thanks for the reminder!

I personally do think you people are great and so is your compassion, I just have a very bad tendency to always want to be a mirror to others especially when I think different view points are not relativised to each others. What I dislike most in life is people not understanding each others.

[AnthroHeart]

The truth is that I am being pulled betwixt light and darkness and neither seems to be letting up. The constant need to balance myself is exhausting.

Even the Logos and Sub-Logos need to constantly stay in balance. That too must get exhausting.

[Diana]

Wel I did an analysis of my rays this morning and the less active one is the blue ray. (funny with how much I write and talk) Made me think I should consciously work out more the thoughts that I share as I tend to simply be throwing thoughts around without filtering nor working on them. (usually, I do work on them sometimes) So thanks for the reminder!

This is one great challenge I have had here as well, and that I am grateful for because I have grown a LOT from it: wording things so there is clarity and understanding.

[Monica]

I think it's something that has always been part of me. I have always been the type to martyr myself for others while still strongly striving for my own individualism.

However, when I was younger and when there was less social need to interact with others I kept myself separate because I always felt I took on too much from others. I couldn't stand to touch people because I'd receive huge psychic impressions and empathy, I could feel in to their souls. That's still true enough although now I know how to limit the effect.

The truth is that I have had very uncommon views from a very young age. I spent much of my childhood in other bodies and astral traveling. I have always known that I am incarnate and that I have many other lives. I have always known that I can manipulate energy and telepathy is real. I always knew I came here to accomplish a specific task.

When I was younger I was super zen. I had many natural yogic abilities (such a virtual immunity to cold) and had such a strong awareness of my divine self.

Then the depression hit, and things are muddled. I discovered my deep dark side, my potential for greatness, power and selfishness. There is a violence in my being that I do not let out. Were I to allow myself to become corrupt it would be a nasty piece of work.

I can relate to some of that. I too feel intense empathy, even from talking with someone on the phone! It sounds like it's even more intense for you, with the telepathy, astral travel, etc. I did remember a past life as a child, but didn't understand it, and felt very alone, but without that awareness of divine self that you mention. I can partially relate to what you describe, based on experiences later in life.

It's rough being here on this planet, at all, and even harder once we start awakening. In some ways it gets easier, but in other ways it can get harder.

Do you know what caused the depression to start? Are you able to trace it back to a particular incident? So many things can cause depression. Even just spending less time outside in the sunshine, due to working at a job all day, can cause depression. When in the midst of it, our 'darker' natures tend to come out.

Something that helped me a lot was Rebirthing. This is a very safe modality in which the person can confront their inner 'demons' in a safe environment. Once they are accessed and expressed in a harmless way (like, for example, hitting a pillow, crying, etc.), they are replaced with positive affirmations which transform the negative beliefs and emotions.

I found this very powerful! It's important to find a qualified Rebirther though - one who knows how to dig deep into the nitty-gritty stuff that's been suppressed.

The truth is that I am being pulled betwixt light and darkness and neither seems to be letting up. The constant need to balance myself is exhausting.

Do you think you must continue to balance the light and the darkness? Or do you think maybe you're supposed to make a clear Choice? (Once a choice is made, there is no longer any need to balance Light and Dark...one can just go for the one they want.)

My understanding is that a Choice must be made while here in 3D, even by Wanderers. Could it be possible that you aren't clear on which direction you want to go in? Or have you already chosen, but are feeling guilty because you're still feeling darkness, despite having chosen the Light?

Choosing the STO path doesn't mean that the 'dark side' of your being be suppressed or denied. It can be transformed, which is entirely different. Then the guilt disappears.

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[Diana]

I think it's something that has always been part of me. I have always been the type to martyr myself for others while still strongly striving for my own individualism.

However, when I was younger and when there was less social need to interact with others I kept myself separate because I always felt I took on too much from others. I couldn't stand to touch people because I'd receive huge psychic impressions and empathy, I could feel in to their souls. That's still true enough although now I know how to limit the effect.

The truth is that I have had very uncommon views from a very young age. I spent much of my childhood in other bodies and astral traveling. I have always known that I am incarnate and that I have many other lives. I have always known that I can manipulate energy and telepathy is real. I always knew I came here to accomplish a specific task.

When I was younger I was super zen. I had many natural yogic abilities (such a virtual immunity to cold) and had such a strong awareness of my divine self.

Then the depression hit, and things are muddled. I discovered my deep dark side, my potential for greatness, power and selfishness. There is a violence in my being that I do not let out. Were I to allow myself to become corrupt it would be a nasty piece of work.

The truth is that I am being pulled betwixt light and darkness and neither seems to be letting up. The constant need to balance myself is exhausting.

I relate very closely to almost all of this and get how crazy hard it can be. And right now things are extra challenging astrologically. We are all dealing with "our stuff."

I for one am very glad you are here at B4. 

[Aion]

I know a lot more about my condition than I am sharing but the details as such are much 'bigger' than what we have been talking about.

Truth is I know why I am torn between light and dark and I know how that goes in with my depression. I do know when my depression started and even have a pretty strong idea of how it emerged. However I admit I reluctant to share much of this because of how 'fantastic' and elaborate it will all sound.

I think that is part of it. I feel I am at the time when I am becoming very active in my mission on Earth but am still very uncertain of how to approach it.

I know what I am and who I am, I know where I came from and how I came to be here. I know why the planet is the way it is, I know the source of its darkness.

What I don't know is how to warn people that this darkness is real and very active. I don't know how to explain that this planet is under assault from multiple directions and that our only hope in saving this planet is to unite ourselves together.

The darkness wants people to not believe in it, to refute it, to scoff at its possibility because that keeps it out of sight, out of mind and totally free to do as it will. Until people become conscious of the darkness it will continue to prey on them unknowingly.

[Minyatur]

I think it's something that has always been part of me. I have always been the type to martyr myself for others while still strongly striving for my own individualism.

However, when I was younger and when there was less social need to interact with others I kept myself separate because I always felt I took on too much from others. I couldn't stand to touch people because I'd receive huge psychic impressions and empathy, I could feel in to their souls. That's still true enough although now I know how to limit the effect.

The truth is that I have had very uncommon views from a very young age. I spent much of my childhood in other bodies and astral traveling. I have always known that I am incarnate and that I have many other lives. I have always known that I can manipulate energy and telepathy is real. I always knew I came here to accomplish a specific task.

When I was younger I was super zen. I had many natural yogic abilities (such a virtual immunity to cold) and had such a strong awareness of my divine self.

Then the depression hit, and things are muddled. I discovered my deep dark side, my potential for greatness, power and selfishness. There is a violence in my being that I do not let out. Were I to allow myself to become corrupt it would be a nasty piece of work.

The truth is that I am being pulled betwixt light and darkness and neither seems to be letting up. The constant need to balance myself is exhausting.

Well that is exactly why I have upmost respect for you, because you've thrown yourself into this very early into your incarnation as a way to work more deeply on your soul.

Personally I do want to open myself to become as you are yet meet so much resistance that I end up always slowing the process down again and again. I am scared to face my depressed view of this Universe and experience it, I am sacred to open myself to other's energies and feel their pain as my own, I am scared of becoming aware of my oh so many inner demons and deep rooted negative emotions. Within myself exists so many inner conflicts that make me do a step forward and then a step backward.

Well things have started to move forward and I do hope to resist the changes less and less so that I can incarnate my divine self in a pure way. 

So my words to you all empaths (aion, monica, diana in this thread), you are great souls that do inspire me a lot. 

*I invoke Plenum Scissorhands*

[Monica]

I know a lot more about my condition than I am sharing but the details as such are much 'bigger' than what we have been talking about.

Truth is I know why I am torn between light and dark and I know how that goes in with my depression. I do know when my depression started and even have a pretty strong idea of how it emerged. However I admit I reluctant to share much of this because of how 'fantastic' and elaborate it will all sound.

I think that is part of it. I feel I am at the time when I am becoming very active in my mission on Earth but am still very uncertain of how to approach it.

I know what I am and who I am, I know where I came from and how I came to be here. I know why the planet is the way it is, I know the source of its darkness.

What I don't know is how to warn people that this darkness is real and very active. I don't know how to explain that this planet is under assault from multiple directions and that our only hope in saving this planet is to unite ourselves together.

The darkness wants people to not believe in it, to refute it, to scoff at its possibility because that keeps it out of sight, out of mind and totally free to do as it will. Until people become conscious of the darkness it will continue to prey on them unknowingly.

Very interesting and very ironic. I feel something very similar (except without the depression), and I feel that the billions of animals being tortured and slaughtered every year is a large part of what's holding this planet back, and allowing the evil to continue to run rampant.

It does seem that, if we can't express our concerns here at B4, where can we express them?

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[Aion]

I don't think you get it. Those things are a result of the darkness, not the other way around. You're fighting the symptoms, not the cause, at least in the way I understand it.

While you are distracted by the atrocities going on in the outside world they slowly burrow deeper in to the inner planes. The darkness can only be destroyed from the inside out and that means people have to acknowledge it exists.

[Aion]

Also if you read the Ra Material they frequently mention the activities of the Orion group, so I think it's obviously that there are negative forces much involved.

[Monica]

I don't think you get it. Those things are a result of the darkness, not the other way around. You're fighting the symptoms, not the cause, at least in the way I understand it.

While you are distracted by the atrocities going on in the outside world they slowly burrow deeper in to the inner planes. The darkness can only be destroyed from the inside out and that means people have to acknowledge it exists.

A Christian pastor once told me "The devil's no bigger than a flea on a gnat's behind, if you have faith."

Translated from Christianese: "The darkness is no bigger than a flea on a gnat's behind, if you focus on the Light."

We live in a holographic universe. WE make a difference, each one of us. Negative entities cannot affect us unless we let them.

Leaving doors and windows open is how they get in. They're already here. We need to clean house and lock all the doors and windows.

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[Jade]

Why fear the darkness? The darkness is our friend. The darkness isn't going to gobble us up and dissolve us into nothingness, or even tempt us against our will. I mean, I'm all for crusading for a higher proportion of light vs. dark here in this sphere, but *focusing* on the negative is just feeding it our attention. I'm not saying ignore it, I'm saying integrate, accept, love. Like Q'uo says, we're not here to fix it, we're here to love it.

Aion, you know all this, my guess is that you have just attached to some serious thoughtforms that are giving you a challenging service. You are very beloved here and I'm sorry that you haven't seen that reflected back at you recently. I hope that you can accept yourself, in all your glories and perceived failures, and find that love within again. As a unique spark of the Creator, even independent of unity (impossible of course), you are completely valuable. Even if you perceive yourself as being destructive or harmful to others or yourself, anyone can turn any catalyst into whatever choice of polarity they desire, including you. If in your core being you recognize that unity of love (you do), it's impossible to go wrong.

[Minyatur]

I don't think you get it. Those things are a result of the darkness, not the other way around. You're fighting the symptoms, not the cause, at least in the way I understand it.

While you are distracted by the atrocities going on in the outside world they slowly burrow deeper in to the inner planes. The darkness can only be destroyed from the inside out and that means people have to acknowledge it exists.

A Christian pastor once told me "The devil's no bigger than a flea on a gnat's behind, if you have faith."

Translated from Christianese: "The darkness is no bigger than a flea on a gnat's behind, if you focus on the Light."

We live in a holographic universe. WE make a difference, each one of us. Negative entities cannot affect us unless we let them.

Leaving doors and windows open is how they get in. They're already here. We need to clean house and lock all the doors and windows.

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Well maybe for yourself, but not for the planetary mind. I do agree with Aion on this and was something I've tried to say in one of my post. Animal slaugthering is a surface aspect of it all.

I didn't write this part but I think the question of animal slaugthering could be turned into : Why is the Creator hurting Himself?

Because that's how I view this subject mostly, a way for the Creator to hurt Himself.

[Monica]

Also if you read the Ra Material they frequently mention the activities of the Orion group, so I think it's obviously that there are negative forces much involved.

Sure, but humans are creating more negative forces with their choices. Case in point: The topic of this thread. With billions of sentient beings tortured and slaughtered every year, where are all those tortured, traumatized souls going?

How many of them graduated to 3D, because of the intensity of their experience?

Where did they go for their 3D experience?

Lately, I've been noticing more and more bizarre things happening in the world. Like the Chinese guy who killed a little girl because he was tired of eating chicken and wanted to see what a little girl tasted like. Creepy stuff! Were these things happening before, and we just didn't hear about them, and we're hearing more because of the internet, or are such bizarre things increasing? hard to say

A scary thought just occurred to me. I had wondered before: Where are all those animal souls going? What kind of dark planet is the meat/dairy industry populating?

But now I wonder if maybe they're reincarnating in their first human lifetime...here.

It's a sobering thought. Very disconcerting indeed.

Are we creating a population of sociopaths? A commonly documented cause of people becoming sociopaths is being abused for the first 5 years of their life, without any bonding with anyone.

Factory-farmed animals, torn away from their mothers and raised in horrible conditions with constant pain, certainly qualify.

Billions of sociopaths...the stuff nightmares are made of.

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[Monica]

Well maybe for yourself, but not for the planetary mind. I do agree with Aion on this and was something I've tried to say in one of my post. Animal slaugthering is a surface aspect of it all.

I didn't write this part but I think the question of animal slaugthering could be turned into : Why is the Creator hurting Himself?

Because that's how I view this subject mostly, a way for the Creator to hurt Himself.

I don't have an answer for that. But, I think you underestimate the impact of billions of beings feeling constant pain, fear, despair and abandonment.

Of course, there are many millions, if not billions, of humans who are feeling these negative emotions too, and lots of violence against humans as well. All of that goes into the melting pot of this planet.

But just by their sheer numbers, the negative emotions of the animals are weighing this planet down. I'm convinced of it.

Think about it. There are roughly 7 billion humans on this planet. Most of them live somewhat decent lives: a mixture of comfort and suffering, but ok for the most part. How many of them live their entire lives in a constant state of fear and pain? It's definitely many millions, and it might be in the billions, but I don't have an exact number. What I do know is that most of these people live longer than 1 year, so if the number is, say, 1 billion, most of them are the same people who were included in last year's tally. In other words, they're not 1 billion new people, but many of the same people who were alive last year and are still alive now.

In contrast, more than 150 billion animals are killed every year. That's an awfully large number! Since it's the kill number, it means that they are new beings. Some live more than 1 year, but their numbers are so large that it still totals over 150 billion anyway.

The impact of pain and fear isn't tangibly measured by weight. A 150-lb. human doesn't necessarily generate more fear, energetically, than a 10-lb. chicken. Fear is fear is fear.

What happens if you dump a load of bloody carcasses into the ocean? You will attract sharks! Why? Because that is their food!

What happens if we create a society in which it's common and 'normal' to keep billions of sentient beings enslaved, and in a state of constant fear and despair?

We will attract negative entities who feed on those negative emotions! That is exactly what's been happening.

Remember that Ra said negative entities eat fear and other negative emotions?

Aion, you said that there are negative entities here.

The meat/dairy industry, along with the war industry, have been keeping them well-fed.

No matter what we do, they aren't going anywhere, because their food is here. Entities go where the food is!

If we have any hope of getting unstuck, and raising the vibration of this planet, we need to quit feeding them!

And that is something each of us has the power to control, with our dietary choices. Together, we can starve the negative entities who are running this planet. They can't stay if there's no food.

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[Aion]

Also if you read the Ra Material they frequently mention the activities of the Orion group, so I think it's obviously that there are negative forces much involved.

Sure, but humans are creating more negative forces with their choices. Case in point: The topic of this thread. With billions of sentient beings tortured and slaughtered every year, where are all those tortured, traumatized souls going?

How many of them graduated to 3D, because of the intensity of their experience?

Where did they go for their 3D experience?

Lately, I've been noticing more and more bizarre things happening in the world. Like the Chinese guy who killed a little girl because he was tired of eating chicken and wanted to see what a little girl tasted like. Creepy stuff! Were these things happening before, and we just didn't hear about them, and we're hearing more because of the internet, or are such bizarre things increasing? hard to say

A scary thought just occurred to me. I had wondered before: Where are all those animal souls going? What kind of dark planet is the meat/dairy industry populating?

But now I wonder if maybe they're reincarnating in their first human lifetime...here.

It's a sobering thought. Very disconcerting indeed.

Are we creating a population of sociopaths? A commonly documented cause of people becoming sociopaths is being abused for the first 5 years of their life, without any bonding with anyone.

Factory-farmed animals, torn away from their mothers and raised in horrible conditions with constant pain, certainly qualify.

Billions of sociopaths...the stuff nightmares are made of.

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No, you don't understand. Humans are heavily, heavily influenced. You act like humans are aware of their choices but they aren't. They rarely are even aware of their own philosophy in regards to their choices.

I believe the guardians collect all traumatized souls and they are nurtured and healed before they incarnate again.

My concern is that there are higher density negative entities whom are creating psychic influences which are inspiring all these events. There are conscious entities who are tempting others to do atrocious, horrible things through psychic manipulation.

Listen to me, these things won't stop by trying to convince people because people are brainwashed from the inside out. By their own free will, because they do not know better, they submit their minds to the enslavement of these dark forces because they do not know better. There are millions, billions of innocent people who are vulnerable to this type of influence.

I am opposed to these influenced in a polarized kind of way. My work is to free minds, but an aspect of that work is engaging the mind's that are seeking to enslave others that I might offer them the opportunity for another path, but I can tell you right now from experience that there are plenty who are more than content with their choices.

I think that people need more psychic awareness and understanding before they will begin to be able to make their own choices more freely and more compassionately. I want so badly for you to see that I support your ideals and that this is something I see as being what can help lead to them.

The shepherd to cares for the flock must not deny the dangers of the wolves, which are more dangerous than the group mentality of the flock. At least the flock can learn and grow but a predator just devours. I would be your shield and buckler, whilst you tend your garden in peace.

Many would not act as such, were they not inspired so by very malicious forces.

[Monica]

No, you don't understand. Humans are heavily, heavily influenced. You act like humans are aware of their choices but they aren't. They rarely are even aware of their own philosophy in regards to their choices.

I agree with you on that.

I believe the guardians collect all traumatized souls and they are nurtured and healed before they incarnate again.

That's wishful thinking. Why would the guardians first let the souls be traumatized, only to heal them, and then plunge them back into the fire for more trauma?

That sounds rather sadistic.

My concern is that there are higher density negative entities whom are creating psychic influences which are inspiring all these events. There are conscious entities who are tempting others to do atrocious, horrible things through psychic manipulation.

Listen to me, these things won't stop by trying to convince people because people are brainwashed from the inside out. By their own free will, because they do not know better, they submit their minds to the enslavement of these dark forces because they do not know better. There are millions, billions of innocent people who are vulnerable to this type of influence.

Agreed again.

I am opposed to these influenced in a polarized kind of way. My work is to free minds, but an aspect of that work is engaging the mind's that are seeking to enslave others that I might offer them the opportunity for another path, but I can tell you right now from experience that there are plenty who are more than content with their choices.

How can we convince them to quit enslaving others when we, ourselves, are still physically contributing to enslavement?

I think that people need more psychic awareness and understanding before they will begin to be able to make their own choices more freely and more compassionately. I want so badly for you to see that I support your ideals and that this is something I see as being what can help lead to them.

Then we need to be working together. :idea:

The shepherd to cares for the flock must not deny the dangers of the wolves, which are more dangerous than the group mentality of the flock. At least the flock can learn and grow but a predator just devours. I would be your shield and buckler, whilst you tend your garden in peace.

Many would not act as such, were they not inspired so by very malicious forces.

What is the solution then?

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[Monica]

Here is an ongoing tally of how much food this planet is supplying the negative entities who like to eat fear for breakfast:

http://www.adaptt.org/killcounter.html

OMG!!! Refresh the page and see what happens! Now refresh it again! Now read what it says right under the counter. OMG!

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[Jade]

But now I wonder if maybe they're reincarnating in their first human lifetime...here.

Don't worry about this because it isn't happening. Earth is late 3D/early 4D and experiencing incarnation by seniority of vibration, there are few if any early 3D souls incarnating right now. Now, outside the confines of time, it's possible that some entities are harvested from 2D in factory farms and then incarnate on this planet during other time periods, but not this one.

However, I have a feeling that these souls quite possibly will incarnate whatever earth-like planet(s) that 3D entities who aren't harvested this cycle return to incarnate upon.

[Monica]

Don't worry about this because it isn't happening. Earth is late 3D/early 4D and experiencing incarnation by seniority of vibration, there are few if any early 3D souls incarnating right now. Now, outside the confines of time, it's possible that some entities are harvested from 2D in factory farms and then incarnate on this planet during other time periods, but not this one.

However, I have a feeling that these souls quite possibly will incarnate whatever earth-like planet(s) that 3D entities who aren't harvested this cycle return to incarnate upon.

Yeah you're right.

I shudder to think of the planet they're populating.

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[Jade]

Try not to send them that fear, send them love. Just because they are in desperate situations does not mean they are harvested toward the negative spectrum. In fact going through such trauma as a species could keep them more cohesive and empathetic and understanding with each other as a group mind and help them move towards a 4D social memory complex with greater ease. Just because the input is negatively oriented doesn't mean the output will be - which is why our goal is to work hard to transmute the negative input into a positive output.

[Matt1]

I watched a 20 minute video on something called Carnism today. It showed some useful insights in the Vegan/Vegetarian diets.

http://www.carnism.org/

I am not sure if everyone has seen this or not, but it does give raise to the obvious questions that it is socially accepted to kill one animal but not another? It doesn't make much logically sense if you look at it over all.

In relation to me going back to being Vegetarian , i think i should say i had only went back to eating meat for a few weeks after being Vegetarian for a couple of years almost , so it wasn't as such that a big change for me. I guess i simply started to switch off again and tried to make my self believe that it wasn't really an issue. However after reading up on things again and seeing this thread, it reaffirmed my original reasons for stopping eating animals to begin with, which was to become more compassionate person to all sentient being.

[Jade]

Good stuff Matt, thank you for sharing and being honest with us through your soul-searching. I do believe I've seen at least part of that before or read the transcript.

After one spends a certain amount of time with the compassion towards livestock circuitry in the open switch, the takes a lot of mental twisting to shut it back down again, which is what I saw happening with you. It was odd that you just wouldn't accept that a 2D farm animal could reach late enough into the density to experience self-awareness. Especially now, at harvest time, everything's itching to be harvested! Anyway, again it's not about harvest or any of that, it's about how we want to be as our unique expressions of the Creator, and we make that choice alone. Now, where you gonna be getting that protein??

[Matt1]

I had chickpea curry today with mushrooms and whole meal rice.