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    #31
    02-20-2016, 04:43 PM
    The simplest technique is to open your heart.

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    02-20-2016, 04:55 PM (This post was last modified: 02-20-2016, 04:56 PM by Night Owl.)
    What if opening the heart leads to undesired situations....maybe even leading to more suffering for the other person. That's basically what closing my heart is the reason for as strange as it may sound. I realize it is also a projection of my self not wanting to see others suffer because I have seen enough of it to know when situations will lead to more suffering.

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    #33
    02-20-2016, 05:03 PM
    Or so you have convinced yourself. It's not the opening that causes what you do not desire, it is the movement of the pain and suffering that holds it closed that you fear, and it is facing these things directly that you believe needs to be avoided. Yet, you are really doing a disservice by not being honest with yourself and with the other.

    The fear of suffering is a greater and more permanent suffering than suffering itself for then you hold that suffering to yourself and never allow yourself to move through it. Avoiding pain to avoid pain is a cycle of insanity in which nothing is resolved.

    What is 'undesired' isn't always necessarily bad or negativity and to be released from suffering means accepting it for what it is, rather than trying to push it away in comfort.

    No offence meant, but maybe you /don't/ know what the situation will turn in to but you have so convinced yourself of your fear that you put energy in to your fears and so manifest it in your life as these undesirable situations?

    Maybe you need to let yourself go in to that fear a bit.

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    #34
    02-20-2016, 05:28 PM
    I agree with most part and I think it is a great challenge to dive deep into my fears. But what I acknowledge as being proof that an unwanted situation will occur is not my fears. I didn't meant to say I know how it will happen because I certainly don't but I know when suffering is on it's way. It happens when I realize someone is projecting desires on me and I realize this person is trying to convince his/her self of something that is not true and will eventually lead them to suffer.

    By closing my heart I'm trying to make them realize that such desire is not shared in my part of creation without hurting the other directly. Yet it is my fear of making them suffer that attracts them. And so I can't get rid of it within this reoccuring space/time. And this is the circle you are talking about.

    I don't really know how to handle that but it has occured more times than I can count and often leads to me repressing my self and trying not to be loved by as many people as necessary to make this easy on the other. I usually end up going away. But I know this isn't right. I know I'm basically working all the suffering in the whole place on my own but I guess I'm good at it. I just don't know how to properly open my heart then if that is the only solution.

    This is one of the most honest thing I've ever written. I have basically only 2 big problems with my life one being that and the other is finding how to earn money. When that is cleared I can basically be a beacon of light in service to the all.

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    02-20-2016, 05:55 PM
    If you feel you are trapped in a karmic cycle, you should try forgiving yourself. Firstly, you are going to be of catalyst to other people, good and bad, by interacting with them: that is the nature of duality. That's what we are here for. If you can open the heart, and make yourself vulnerable by releasing that energy, you can take a bad set of catalyst and transform it into a higher vibrational energy. If you are unable to open your heart in a situation, that is perfectly okay too, because you can learn from the experience, and all is valid. But really, you can never blame yourself for the ways that others take the catalyst you offer by acting as yourself. Q'uo stresses often that if you act from an open heart, you can do no wrong - even if the other person takes your gesture in the worst way possible. If that's the case, they were looking for a reason to mirror their displeasure, and you gave them the highest energies you could mirror back to them. Eventually, that love will find their way to the other person, even if they don't see it in the moment and never recognize it comes from you.

    Ra says there is also no wrong ever done on a karmic level on the societal level by one just expressing themselves in a way that in no way inhibits the free-will of another self. In fact, it's our duty to act upon our free will at all times in these scenarios.

    Quote:18.6 Questioner: Basically I would say that to infringe on the free will of another self or another entity would be the basic thing never to do under the Law of One. Can you state any other breaking of the Law of One than this basic rule?

    Ra: I am Ra. As one proceeds from the primal distortion of free will, one proceeds to the understanding of the focal points of intelligent energy which have created the intelligences or the ways of a particular mind/body/spirit complex in its environment, both what you would call natural and what you would call man-made. Thus, the distortions to be avoided are those which do not take into consideration the distortions of the focus of energy of love/light, or shall we say, the Logos of this particular sphere or density. These include the lack of understanding of the needs of the natural environment, the needs of other-selves’ mind/body/spirit complexes. These are many due to the various distortions of man-made complexes in which the intelligence and awareness of entities themselves have chosen a way of using the energies available.

    Thus, what would be an improper distortion with one entity is proper with another. We can suggest an attempt to become aware of the other-self as self and thus do that action which is needed by other-self, understanding from the other-self’s intelligence and awareness. In many cases this does not involve the breaking of the distortion of free will into a distortion or fragmentation called infringement. However, it is a delicate matter to be of service, and compassion, sensitivity, and an ability to empathize are helpful in avoiding the distortions of man-made intelligence and awareness.

    The area or arena called the societal complex is an arena in which there are no particular needs for care for it is the prerogative/honor/duty of those in the particular planetary sphere to act according to its free will for the attempted aid of the social complex.

    Thus, you have two simple directives: awareness of the intelligent energy expressed in nature, awareness of the intelligent energy expressed in self to be shared, when it seems appropriate, by the entity with the social complex, and you have one infinitely subtle and various set of distortions of which you may be aware; that is, distortions with respect to self and other-selves not concerning free will but concerning harmonious relationships and service to others as other-selves would most benefit.

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    #36
    02-20-2016, 06:03 PM (This post was last modified: 02-20-2016, 06:03 PM by Night Owl.)
    I have forgiven myself for every unwanted situations. What I have a hard time forgiving myself is that this karma pattern has more than likely hurt my twin flame and that's when the situation got reversed backward. I end up sharing the pain instead of just witnessing it and couldn't prevent it from happening. I can forgive myself for what suffering I brought myself easily. But hers is something else. It will probably take infinty for that to be processed within me.

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    02-20-2016, 06:06 PM
    She has agreed to go through this experience with you, in her way. She is just as complicit as you. In this case, you are taking too much responsibility for your actions. I doubt you have subjugated her free will in any way. We agree to go through these things together.

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    #38
    02-20-2016, 06:09 PM (This post was last modified: 02-20-2016, 06:11 PM by Night Owl.)
    I know that. She is strong. I don't have any negative energies towards her in any way. I have a hard time forgiving myself for not knowing how to make someone else feeling loved.

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    #39
    02-20-2016, 06:56 PM
    Well, maybe, practice on yourself?

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    02-20-2016, 08:27 PM
    A part of me is ever accepting everything that is me. That part is ever content. That part is really flowing with all is well. That part is always positive and sees the big picture. That part thrives on wisdom, travel, challenges, complex systems philosophy and freedom. That is the Sagitarian in me.

    An other part of me doesn't like the idea of being loved. I don't react really well to expressions of love towards myself. I even come to find people who love themselves in a very apparaent way unpleasant to interact with. Our differences in terms of self love is probably creating a lot of distortions. My birth chart has 7x capricorn including my moon, ascendant and venus. So I'm not really emotional and I feel better around unemotional people. But I was raised by a pisces mother and I'm really empathic because of that. I think my higher self has infinite compassion and I probably have incarnated many times in negative densities just to understand them. But it seems this time I have incarnated with an opposite programmation where I am not emotional to try and understand those who are.

    I think she had the exact same problem about self expressions of love. It's ironic. A perfect mirror. The only difference is she was like a 'me' with a completely open heart. I don't like the idea that I have hurt something that sensitive. How do sensitive people deal with being hurt?

    Would you forgive me to have hurt the sweetest, most loving and amazing part of the creator that has ever existed because my heart is closed and frozen like a 5 billion years old iceberg in the north pole?
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    #41
    02-20-2016, 08:51 PM
    Of course I would forgive you. We are mere humans. A whole lifetime can be spent to open the heart once, and a whole lifetime can be spent learning to forgive the self. It can also happen in a moment. I'm sure she is more than happy to help teach you this lesson. She must see a great value in you to pair herself to you in such a way, as your teacher, and you as hers.

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    #42
    02-20-2016, 08:51 PM
    I think twin flames will love one another for hurting one another, finding each and every emotion they create in one another beautiful.

    I find something that can hurt me in ways others can't most beautiful and worthful.

    I guess that takes balance but everything ever comes back to balance.
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    02-20-2016, 08:53 PM
    I think entities who love each other the most can team up to teach each other the hardest lessons. The love is already so infinite and impenetrable, nothing done in this illusion can ever upset it.
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    02-20-2016, 08:54 PM (This post was last modified: 02-20-2016, 08:54 PM by Minyatur.)
    So I'd say accept your glorious role toward her!

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    #45
    02-20-2016, 08:56 PM
    I also find something that can hurt me in ways others can't most beautiful and worthful.

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    02-20-2016, 09:00 PM
    (02-20-2016, 08:56 PM)matrix_drumr Wrote: I also find something that can hurt me in ways others can't most beautiful and worthful.

    And you think your second half would not be able of the same?

    I guess one that tortures itself with hurting what he loves is also beautiful in itself.

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    02-20-2016, 09:02 PM
    She asked me to. Who am I to refuse such an honor?

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    #48
    02-21-2016, 11:37 AM
    There is something so thoroughly distorted about this conversation I can't place my finger on it. Maybe just sounds sadomasochistic.

    Of course, 'beauty this, beauty that', etc etc...

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    02-21-2016, 11:38 AM
    I feel like the endless 'beautification' of scenarios is just a gloss over and avoidance of the actual difficulty and pain involved.

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    02-21-2016, 12:19 PM
    (02-21-2016, 11:38 AM)Aion Wrote: I feel like the endless 'beautification' of scenarios is just a gloss over and avoidance of the actual difficulty and pain involved.

    Or perhaps it is the slow transmutation of it.
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    02-21-2016, 12:52 PM (This post was last modified: 02-21-2016, 12:53 PM by Night Owl.)
    Sadomasochistic humour is hard to get with words only.

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    02-21-2016, 12:56 PM
    Getting back on the initial thing how would you send back energy to people without involving too much of the self?

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    02-21-2016, 10:54 PM
    That makes no sense. The self is already involved. I cannot aid the desire to wield power with no responsibility for it.
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    02-22-2016, 04:20 PM
    Reading that sentence today I admit it makes no sense to me either and I realize how far from what I meant it really is. While I mean to seek the responsible way to deal with that and you understood the exact opposite my sentence is clearly messed up. I didn't mean not to involve the self in the work that has to be done. I was basically asking if there is a way to work those energies responsibly without creating attachment between me and the other person or if that requires me to strenghten a connection I have felt that I must not so far. This a positive intention. If I come across somebody who's basically bleeding energy, I want to be able to give them back. This is an intention of responsability.

    I am basically trying not to create a problem where I think attachment is problematic for the other because I cannot send back the same energy as the other is sending to me and hoping that I send back to them. I'm not trying to flee from responsability in fact I'm wondering what is the responsible way to deal with it because so far my way of dealing with it may not have been effective since I see it repeting itself. I want to work on changing what is possible to change to bring more positive energies. I wish this to be possible without creating attachment but if that is not possible I'm not running from it and I will face it if I have to. I open myself up to whatever is better than what I already do. Only good intentions comes out of me.

    I just feel so far it is best not to get too close to somebody who's expecting something of me that I cannot give. This is what I meant by not involving the self but I understand how it is really a bad way to express what I meant.

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    02-22-2016, 04:28 PM
    The best thing, in my opinion, to do when you encounter someone with a bleeding wound is to first bandage the wound and stop the bleeding as best as possible.

    To the point, the easiest and most responsibly sound approach is to send the energy to the Earth whom will allocate and return it after processing it back in to the pure vibration of that individual.

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    02-22-2016, 04:45 PM
    Would you get closer to that person to understand the wound first or would you simply meditate about the energy away from it?

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    02-22-2016, 04:49 PM
    Well, it depends how far you want to take your responsibility. It's not really a mechanical thing where there's a certain point that is right or wrong. I, personally, think it is important to be aware of the 'contents' to some degree of the energy you are working with rather than going in blind. This is ideal, however there are plenty of times when there are "emergencies", but this situation doesn't sound like one of those situations. In the sense, you can be more prepared for what kind of emotions or thoughts you may encounter when interacting with the energy which can assist in remaining more observant rather than reactive.

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    02-22-2016, 05:01 PM
    I've been more observant than reactive so far. I think what I can do better is how I process it with myself afterwards so I guess a part of what I do is already ok. I must maybe put more conscious effort into sending the energy through the earth by meditating on it positively rather than simply acknowledge a pain creating process.

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    02-22-2016, 05:31 PM
    Yeah, energy typically wants to move, especially emotional energy. The Earth is basically a recycler of energy so building a circulation with the Earth can essentially make this a more automatic process. It works kind of like how a canyon is cut by a river. By continuously creating the circulation you gradually create a steady "path" of low-resistance. I believe it is basically similar to how Tesla coils can transmit wireless electricity. We're walking tesla coils.

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    03-08-2016, 11:46 AM
    A few nights ago, I was focused on a specific negative entity who 'attacked' Carla (87.7).

    After strongly focus with my thoughts on this entity, I felt a high pressure on my chest. I couldn't sleep anymore.

    Is it possible that this was a some kind of attack to the heart chakra? Maybe the negative entity tried to disable this chakra.

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