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    05-02-2016, 11:31 AM
    No matter how hard I try, I can't get past the part of being worthy for higher density.

    Does this mean that I'll experience a personal hell after this life?

    If so, for how long?

    I sometimes come down hard on myself, and think I'm only worthy for hell.

    Or more precisely, I think everyone else is worthy of heaven except me.

    But I also know that heaven is not what we think it is. It is ever evolving, not a destination.

    Why do I think I am so unworthy?

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    05-02-2016, 11:48 AM
    (05-02-2016, 11:31 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: No matter how hard I try, I can't get past the part of being worthy for higher density.

    Does this mean that I'll experience a personal hell after this life?

    If so, for how long?

    I sometimes come down hard on myself, and think I'm only worthy for hell.

    Or more precisely, I think everyone else is worthy of heaven except me.

    But I also know that heaven is not what we think it is. It is ever evolving, not a destination.

    Why do I think I am so unworthy?

    Man, there is no hell, seriously. Even Hitler didn't go to hell, he just went to some kind of spiritual rehab. (ref: 11.7, 35.4) The only hells that exist are self-created. ie, most likely the only way to go to a hell is to think you're going to go there.

    Really, the "worst" thing that could happen to you is you just end up re-incarnating on Earth again or on another 3D plane.

    Those feelings of unworthiness are just judeo-Christian baggage, distortions used as control systems specifically to create feelings of guilt and inferiority in people. They're largely baked into a western culture that's obsessed with comparing ourselves to each other, and trying to decide "who's the best" even though there's really no such thing. No one is any more or less "worthy" than anyone else.

    Right now, at this moment, you are the best version of yourself that can be, and the cosmos understands that and loves you for it. So don't let Earthly fears get in the way of that love. Smile
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    05-02-2016, 12:13 PM
    (05-02-2016, 11:31 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Or more precisely, I think everyone else is worthy of heaven except me.

    so you think you made a mistake so bad, that it's unrecoverable from?

    (05-02-2016, 11:31 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Why do I think I am so unworthy?

    it's most likely guilt.  But guilt is a tactic used by negatives (on others).

    The blockages in the 2-4-6 line of chakras (the even numbered chakras) tend to be self-reinforcing.
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    05-02-2016, 12:26 PM
    (05-02-2016, 12:13 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:
    (05-02-2016, 11:31 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Or more precisely, I think everyone else is worthy of heaven except me.

    so you think you made a mistake so bad, that it's unrecoverable from?


    (05-02-2016, 11:31 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Why do I think I am so unworthy?

    it's most likely guilt.  But guilt is a tactic used by negatives (on others).

    The blockages in the 2-4-6 line of chakras (the even numbered chakras) tend to be self-reinforcing.

    The only mistake I have really made is abusing every dog I ever had at least once. And most likely only once.

    I have never abused another human. I almost punched a boy for punching me in the face, but I let him go without fighting.

    I also have one secret that I have never shared here, that I'd rather not get into. But it's rather disgusting, while at the same time arousing.

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    05-02-2016, 12:39 PM
    well, it's not what one has done, but it's the attitude with which we approach what we've done.

    For what it's worth, I think you're quite an angelic being, and you've just been messed up by the very heavy earth energies here.  It's like you don't really know how to cope with the mixed vibrations that human beings offer.  It would be easier dealing with people that are always positive, and so that there's no possible confusion.  Ane likewise, if someone was always negative, you know what you get.  It's dealing with the mixed bag, I think, is what does a number on entities who have come from a very positive only environment.

    I think you've been given this message before, but it's something that doesn't quite sink in, because you're attached to the notion that you've done something wrong or irredeemable (the 'cardinal sins' in Christianity).  That's just a very deep axiom (belief pattern) that then shows itself as feelings of unworthiness etc, as a symptom of it's dissonance with what is truly 'real'.  So to me, it's not the issue in itself - it's just the most observable expression of it.
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    05-02-2016, 12:54 PM
    You all see things so clearly. I am a little bit jealous. Not envious though.

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    05-02-2016, 01:41 PM (This post was last modified: 05-02-2016, 02:02 PM by Night Owl.)
    Honestly paradise and hell do not require for you to die to be categorized to a single one. They are right here right now which one you decide you are in. If you decide you are in hell here right now then that's what it is. If you decide you are in paradise here right now then you are. They both are mind constructs. The feeling of unworthiness affects most humans it is a really normal thing and I can't say I'm free from that myself but I do understand that I am punishing my own self when doing that. No external forces have the power to bring your soul to hell and be tortured for eternity, that's a power only you have to decide and you might as well decide to be in eternal bliss as soon as possible. It is at your reach whenever you wish for it. It easier done once balanced and freed from certain negative emotions that drags down your vibration but essentially that's it, whenever you are ready paradise is right here right now how you want it to be.

    You also don't need to envy anyone because you are each and everyone of them. Try focusing less on the illusion of seperation that keeps you from feeling oneness. You are the thing that experience everything. We are one. Instead rejoice at all the wisdom that YOUR cosmic mind contains into many fractalised other self.

    Also I think maybe if you feel like holding a secret feels like a burden to you it can help you feel lighter to just share it with whoever you think it is best. Sharing it with someone who will accept you and not judge you will help see how you can in turn be kind to yourself in the same way.

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    05-02-2016, 05:56 PM
    (05-02-2016, 11:31 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: No matter how hard I try, I can't get past the part of being worthy for higher density.

    Does this mean that I'll experience a personal hell after this life?

    If so, for how long?

    While some souls do create a negative fake hells for themselves after death, I can tell you that you are simply nowhere in that category because you have acquired too much spiritual knowledge at this point in your incarnation to really get trapped in such a hollow hell after death. The souls that get temporarily trapped in those are people who were *extremely* narrow minded in life -- very low spiritual awareness. You are way too conscious for that to occur. You would recognize it as an illusion immediately. And if you are a wanderer, that goes for double.

    (05-02-2016, 11:31 AM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: I sometimes come down hard on myself, and think I'm only worthy for hell.

    Or more precisely, I think everyone else is worthy of heaven except me.

    But I also know that heaven is not what we think it is. It is ever evolving, not a destination.

    Why do I think I am so unworthy?

    I think you are just having an off day. When one is in a bad mood (which is the result of sustained negative thought), everything is seen through the eyes of resistance. Just as our constant exposure to catalytic contrast builds up vibrational piles of identified "wanted aspects" due to our constant emitting of "preferences", we also simultaneously are building up vibrational piles of identified "unwanted aspects". You can't define wanted without simultaneously defining unwanted. That is duality. These need not be conscious, even unconscious preferences are still drawing this vibrational line in the sand. Anyway, my point is when you are in a vibrationally resistant place, you block the allowance of "what is wanted", and in so doing, you become aligned with those piles of "unwanted". A more easy way to understand this is it feels like life turns against you, or you start to have "really poor luck".

    So the more out of alignment with wanted you become the more in alignment with unwanted, and vice versa. So the best thing to do is just take a breather and chill out. When you feel unworthy it is because you are focused on reasons that you've imagined you should feel unworthy for (things you feel guilty about). You need to train your focus on reasons why you should feel worthy, and you will start to feel emotional relief, signifying alignment with wanted. Or just meditate and stop thinking long enough to regain vibrational composure.

    The universe doesn't want any being to suffer, experience personal hell, but it does want us to grow, and for growth to occur there has to be some type of definition between aversive/attractive. Else, there would be no movement of life. The universe wants you to seek well being and considers you an integral part of the whole, a portion of its own self, and it would never abandon you. In all cases when we feel abandoned, it is not the universe that has abandoned us, but rather, it is we who have abandoned the universe.

    It is all forgiving, all loving, and only seeks to embrace us. And it never sees you as unworthy. The goal of life is to learn to see the illusion of separation through Source's eyes, which is to see the unity in all things. That is to say, it does not see the separation and thus, does not make it real.
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    05-03-2016, 03:17 PM
    Thanks anagogy.

    I've watched some videos of people who have an NDE. Some of them experience a hellish experience, and then are revived.
    I don't think all those who experience hell are narrow minded. I've even seen some vids of dedicated Christians experience hell in an NDE. I've seen vids of a Buddhist experience hell. Though it's temporary, because they are brought back by medical science.

    I'm not sure if I want to come back if I have that experience. But I don't want to wear a DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) bracelet because of fear of getting stuck in a hellish experience for some time. Hell is more psychological than physical, it screws with your mind. I've had similar experiences in my schizophrenia, where when I went to the mental hospital I was in room 911. So I thought my case was an emergency. I also thought my chakras were stars, burning hot.

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    05-03-2016, 09:23 PM (This post was last modified: 05-03-2016, 09:24 PM by anagogy.)
    (05-03-2016, 03:17 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Thanks anagogy.

    I've watched some videos of people who have an NDE. Some of them experience a hellish experience, and then are revived.
    I don't think all those who experience hell are narrow minded. I've even seen some vids of dedicated Christians experience hell in an NDE. I've seen vids of a Buddhist experience hell. Though it's temporary, because they are brought back by medical science.

    I'm not sure if I want to come back if I have that experience. But I don't want to wear a DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) bracelet because of fear of getting stuck in a hellish experience for some time. Hell is more psychological than physical, it screws with your mind. I've had similar experiences in my schizophrenia, where when I went to the mental hospital I was in room 911. So I thought my case was an emergency. I also thought my chakras were stars, burning hot.

    The people that still ascribe to organized religions are narrow minded in my view. I don't mean they are unintelligent, just misinformed and superstitious. For me to call them extremely narrow minded was perhaps too strong, since we are all narrow minded in our own special and specific ways.

    Religion offers crippled means of becoming one with others. The spiritual yet non religious are usually far more oriented towards love and light in my experience.

    The people that experience hell during NDE's are simply experiencing manifestations of their disturbed mind complex. A nightmare in other words. In other cases those experiences are planned for them because for whatever reason it was important for their incarnation to be a member of a particular religion or another, and from that vantage point their guides know full well if they are checking out of incarnation for good or simply visiting. Even if many religions have got the reality somewhat backwards, the experience of being in a particular culture with particular spiritual beliefs offers much valuable catalyst that certain souls are interested in experiencing for themselves. Thus, all perspectives from atheists to muslims have purpose from an incarnational standpoint. Distorted beliefs, even though they may be lacking in light energy, are no different, or less valuable, than the experience of being in one particular life form or another. They are boundaries on consciousness which energize a certain type of conscious experience.

    Different souls are after different things. There are many different experiential truths.    

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    05-03-2016, 11:10 PM
    I wouldn't say that people who ascribe to organized religions are narrow-minded and superstitious... I mean, I find the Ra material far more based on traditional "superstition" than a lot of mundane organized religions. That said, Ra says they are all "mixed orientation", but also all offer a true path to The One.

    Quote:60.18 Questioner: Was this a device for communication then? You said they also drew power from it. What type of power? How did this work?

    Ra: I am Ra. This was charged by means of the materials with which it was built being given an electromagnetic field. It became an object of power in this way and, to those whose faith became that untarnished by unrighteousness or separation, this power designed for negativity became positive and is so, to those truly in harmony with the experience of service, to this day. Thus the negative forces were partially successful but the positively oriented Moishe, as this entity was called, gave to your planetary peoples the possibility of a path to the One Infinite Creator which is completely positive.

    This is in common with each of your orthodox religious systems which have all become somewhat mixed in orientation, yet offer a pure path to the One Creator which is seen by the pure seeker.

    There are plenty of people in organized religions who have shining green and blue rays. Christians who emulate/love Jesus are especially good at this - there are many who fall in love with service. Sure, sometimes the service is misguided, but as it is for all of us. Anyway, Carla was one of these Jesus-loving orthodox Christians who I wouldn't mind having more of. I've known many others.

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    05-04-2016, 12:11 AM
    I think every being is narrow minded in some respect or another. Narrowness isn't a good or bad thing, it just involves limitation. But limitations are necessary to focus energy.

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    05-04-2016, 09:25 AM (This post was last modified: 05-04-2016, 09:33 AM by Stranger.)
    In my understanding, "heaven" and "hell" are terms used to refer to 4th density positive and negative environments. The terms were used to denote "the good place you go to if you're good" and "the bad place you go to if you're bad" to people who did not have the sophisticated understanding of reality with which Ra has provided us. A simple concept for a simple time.

    A world populated entirely by STO beings, with the absence of the veil allowing us to see all others as other-selves and to directly and at all times experience our connection to the Creator, is a blissful place to be, full of love shared and received. I've had several occasions where the heart chakra activity was so strong that I could barely function without getting distracted, it felt so incredibly good. The essential aspect of heaven is happiness, joyfulness - and this is how you get happiness and joyfulness.

    Equally, a world of Dick Cheneys constantly fighting for power and dominance using supernatural means fits the notion of hell perfectly in my mind. A world without love and filled with hate "honed to a fine edge" to quote Ra, pouring that hate out on those above and below them in an attempt to overpower others and establish dominance. Even a relatively small proportion of those folks on Earth is enough to spoil the flavor of the soup - imagine it's 100%???

    So Gemini, if that is what heaven and hell are, you are clearly not going to hell. As to your unworthiness - this is an issue I am intimately familiar with - remember that you are the Creator. Not an "expression of the Creator", not an afterthought in the Creator's mind - you ARE the Creator, wholly and completely.

    The Creator has no "parts". He is ONE, indivisible. Therefore YOU are the Infinite Consciousness that had created all things, and then decided to experience what it would be like to forget it. But if the Ruler of the World forgets who he is momentarily, he is still the Ruler of the World. That is your inalienable nature -- the Creator of All That Is looking in a mirror and seeing Gemini. There is no unworthiness to be had, just perfection -- in you-as-Gemini, you-as-Creator made *exactly* what he wanted to experience at that moment. You-as-Gemini are the perfect answer to your-as-God's perfect question. You, precisely as you are right now, are *exactly* what the Creator wanted to have as part of the Glory of his Creation. Don't diminish yourself by believing, in your present forgetful state as Gemini, that you-as-Creator made any mistakes in creating you. In His eyes, you as you are right now are completely perfect.

    Gemini, you are loved.
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    05-04-2016, 10:31 AM
    "What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson
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    05-18-2016, 08:29 AM (This post was last modified: 05-18-2016, 08:32 AM by Alexis.)
    This is transcript from quo 6Feb,2016


    Your harvest is that which has begun. Those entities now passing from your illusion, through the door that you call death, are walking the steps of light to see if they have the ability to walk and enjoy the brighter light that is a significant portion of the fourth density experience. As these entities move into this light, they move as far as is possible without the light becoming too glaring. When it is too glaring to continue, they step aside, and notice whether they have passed the boundary, shall we say, of the third density into the fourth density.


    I wonder if idea of hell being likened to a lake of fire came from a distortion about stepping into the light being a painful experience.  Sometimes rejection is hard to deal with.  I kinda relate to how you feel about being unworthy, I wonder if I'm good enough to experience 4th density.  Maybe I'm not, but rather get upset about it, I think woohoo maybe I get to ride this crazy roller coaster again.

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