(12-22-2012, 04:36 AM)Ashim Wrote:(12-21-2012, 03:21 PM)yossarian Wrote: Sure. We can all be buddhists or hindus or whatever and find joy in the moment.
But what does that have to do with 2012?
How many people on this forum thought that there would be some kind of ascension event today?
How many thousands of people have been following the new age community for 20 years expecting this 2012 major event?
Let's draw some definitive conclusions.
David Wilcock: FRAUD. This is the guy who supposedly slept in Don Elkins' bed. He lived with Carla and Jim but it seems he was kicked out for some reason (not doing the work he agreed to do? smoking too much weed?)
He then went and started a website where he channelled Ra and started telling people that something big involving UFO landings and ascension events would happen in 2000. When it didn't pan out he changed it to 2012.
Now he's on TV and has a book and supposedly a movie. What now? When all your claims are proven false, one after another after another, what then? There were no mass arrests. There were no destroyed underground bases. There was no alien disclosure in 2009. Obama did not defeat the Illuminati. And most of all: NOTHING HAPPENED ON TODAY Dec 21st, 2012.
As someone who basically wasted six years of my life on New Age stuff, what do I have to show for it? Some old Buddhist stuff about Joy in the moment? What the f*** is the point of channelled material if all it does is reproduce Zen and Buddhist material from forever ago?
Of course, I didn't expect anything to happen today. But now that today has finally come I guess I'm looking for final closure on this delusional part of my life. What does the New Age community have to offer?
The entire New Age community has been obsessed with THE NEW AGE. Ra said 2011. Mayans said 2012. Everyone said 2012. So much channelled material said so.
So where does the New Age community go from here? Are people just going to keep on like the entire community wasn't caught up in a mass delusion about a huge event happening today? Are people just going to pretend this never happened and keep harping on about love and light and ascension and the age of Aquarius and mayan prophecies and star children?
Here is a quote from your favourite book:
"A darkness lies behind us; and we have turned our backs on it, and we do not desire to return thither even in thought. Westwards our hearts have been turned, and we believe that there we shall find Light."
Except the Children of Hurin and other men came to tragedy, for they refused to look back at that darkness.
They were ashamed of the darkness in the East from which they came. They were too ashamed to consider it, especially when the light of the Eldar could be seen in Middle Earth.
Their shame led them to tragedy.
I won't let the same happen. I look back into the darkness, I look back into the vanished shames of every man.
What I see in this thread is a lot of people dodging the point. I've seen so much passive aggressive, downright emotionally abusive answers.
People think saying, "Sorry! The rest of us ascended but you just weren't good enough!" is a loving thing to say? That is extremely hurtful.
People think mocking me or others for 2012 beliefs is loving? "HAHA, what did you expect, you idiot? You really thought a bunch of aliens would come down and pick you up and usher you into 4th D? What a MORON! All the smart people have always known it would be gradual."
The people who say this are just cutting the world into us vs. them. They don't want to be part of the "them" for whom 2012 was supposed to be a Big Deal. A Big Shift.
Others say, "The shift is that you were disappointed with New Age material. That ITSELF is the shift."
Fine. If that is the shift, then the lesson is to STOP with the New Age material. Others, who instantly marked New Age stuff as bullshit, did not have to experience this disappointment because they never believed in it.
Someone defended David Wilcock as sharing "only his truth." But this isn't true. David Wilcock shared the INSIDER TESTIMONY from the ILLUMINATI that said they had SCIENTIFIC PROOF of a shift. David constantly claimed to have objective scientific proof. He claimed that he had spoken to astral entities who revealed this to him--like a revealed religion. He claimed that higher beings had revealed this to him--also like a revealed religion. Like when Constantine had a dream of Christ and changed the fate of the Roman Empire.
David claimed that we should trust his insider sources. He told us, "I'm not telling you everything because that would be too dangerous, but just trust me, you can trust me, can't you? I wouldn't lie about something this big, would I? I'm STO! All I ever do is try to love you guys and service you guys."
And now he's on TV. Now he has a movie deal and a New York Times Bestseller. He got his book into the Bestseller list before it was released by asking his followers to pre-order it so that this info about 2012 could get into the mainstream BEFORE the 2012 shift. WHAT 2012 shift?
David just exploited thousands of people to make himself into a bestseller. It was all based on lies. Who are his insiders? What about the SCIENTIFIC proof using the LOOKING GLASS MACHINE that PROVED that yesterday was a momentous occasion?
What about his detailed dreams explaining precisely what would happen on yesterday, what would happen in terms of people would wake up. Some would be visited by aliens. Some would experience telekineses, etc.
What about Hidden Hand who claimed that today some would be harvested into 4D while others had the most spiritual experience of their lives?
Are you gonna tell me that I just missed the shift when all the gurus have been telling me that I probably made it, since I try so hard to be STO?
LOO people have constantly said stuff like, "Well, you're here. So you're probably STO. So you'll probably make the shift."
I tried really really hard to be STO.
Did a single person ascend? Is there a single person on this forum who made it, for all the bullshit that has been thrown around, all the speculation?
Don't dodge the issue and say "The truth is all about what you make of it." That's a dodge. Ra didn't say the Harvest was what you make of it, they said it's a thing "like the clock striking on the hour" and that when that clock strikes it strikes for ALL of humanity.
What do those of us who have spent years in mass delusion about 2012 do with ourselves? Should we be ashamed for believing in the abrupt shift? Should we be ashamed for failing to "make the grade" or failing to "have a spiritual experience" or whatever? Should we be ashamed for lacking the necessary spirituality to see the lesson here, as so many of you are implying?
I don't consider the response from the majority of New Age apologists here to be loving. Most of you are responding to say, "Well it worked out for me! If you expected something else, that's YOUR fault!"
You sound like right wingers blaming the victim, not loving spiritual people. Maybe that's why YOU didn't ascend--you're so holier-than-thou.