12/21/2012: David Wilcock, Harvest, Ra, New Age Gurus. What does it all mean?

[Dinko]

maybe someone ascended in their paralel reality from their perspective that we cant see...

And how is this in line with the Ra Material or with what any other new age guru said?

If people ascended in their parallel reality, how is 2012 momentous for humanity? Why is it a big deal if all that happens is a bunch of people imperceptibly ascend but they still leave behind their lower selves to suffer on the 3D plane?

You can say anything when it comes to that. Maybe invisible unicorns exist. Claiming that invisible unicorns are coming on 2012 would not make you famous, would not make your Ra Material famous, would not make David Wilcock or New Age material famous.

The reason these things are famous is because they DID NOT predict INVISIBLE unicorns. It's because they DID predict VISIBLE unicorns.

Now that visible unicorns aren't here, are we just going to say, "Well they meant INvisible and they simply misspoke" ? Are we THAT much of a sucker?

its ok bro... u will ascend sometime

Is this what passes for compassion around here?

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Now that visible unicorns aren't here, are we just going to say, "Well they meant INvisible and they simply misspoke" ? Are we THAT much of a sucker?

yoss, you and I both know you are correct in general. Remember that many of these ideas were generated for the purpose of entertainment and escapism. You will recall all of the sci-fi references and other popular fantasy motifs blended in for appeal. If evolution was that simple, there would be no actual value provided - no learning about what really matters. "There is no experience which is not purchased by effort of some kind, no act of service to self or others which does not bear a price, to the entity manifesting, commensurate with its purity. All things in manifestation may be seen in one way or another to be offering themselves in order that transformations may take place upon the level appropriate to the action."

Actual, rather than imaginary, transformations take place from real work and responsibility. Not from jumping on someone's fantasy bandwagon which may 'resonate' with vague and overly confused notions of what it could mean to be suddenly exalted.

Sure. You've been preaching this for years, so you actually have credibility. You never believed in 2012.

Others did and it is those others I am trying to address.

Your notion of evolution of consciousness, which aligns with Shin'Ar, is not the notion that has yesterday been debunked.

Many people don't see David Wilcock as fantasy or entertainment. Many people took Ra seriously when Ra said, "The moment of ascension is like a clock striking on the hour. No one is excluded from this process." and many people took the 2011 prediction of Ra seriously.

So far in this thread we have people who never believed it just saying, "Same as usual."

I want to talk to the people who did believe it. What now? I believed it for many years. When I first read about "the striking clock" style harvest in the Ra Material I believed that it was coming in 2011 and I said to myself, "Wow, that isn't far off!"

Some parts of Ra said it would take many years, but this was NOT clear at all.

I then found all kinds of New Agers channelling giving supposedly factual messages about 2012.

You have always been convinced that most of this is just fantasy and entertainment. But I really believed it for quite a few years.

People can mock me and say, "I told you so" but you sound like unloving hypocrites who are not striving for Unity but rather for Separation when you do that.

It's like, "Ok, 2012 hit, now it's time to throw everyone who believed in it under the bus. All that love and unity and compassion stuff? That was just bullshit. The real separation is between us and you. We who weren't dumb enough to fall for it, and those of you who took The Harvest to mean the one described by Ra as 2011 ascension involving massive amounts of telekinesis and so on."

i fell for it, and i am so sad that i am still in this body, i wish that everybody got its wish from 21,12,2012, it hurts when u dont get what u want... love to u brother