12/21/2012: David Wilcock, Harvest, Ra, New Age Gurus. What does it all mean?

[Shin'Ar]

I have yet to hear a single empathic response from a non-believer. Honestly.

You all are completely intent on continuing with New Age Business As Usual despite this massive, catastrophic failure of the New Age community.

Shin'Ar is like, "I love you. Now here is some completely impersonal advice." Shin'Ar literally cannot imagine anything else to do other than give advice. He is SO stuck in telling people what to do that he's never even conceived that he could do something like empathic listening or sharing of emotionally compatible experiences or just demonstrating UNDERSTANDING. Instead, it's just 100% cold clinical "SHOULDS" even to the point of self-mockery where he says, "If I can't tell you what to do, what can I possibly say?" DUDE THERE IS A WHOLE WORLD OF COMMUNICATIONS OUT THERE THAT DON'T INVOLVE YOUR HEAVY HANDED, CONDESCENDING SHOULDS!

I thought to respond via a personal message in the thinking that it would offer you a more intimate display of true concern and attempt at two way interaction.

But after consideration I also realized what a waste of time it would be if you just deleted it as soon as you saw my name attached to it.

Here it is at least available at any time.

First of all I am going to point out that anything that anyone has to say about what they think or feel is going to be what you are classifying as 'shoulds'.

What would a forum be if we were all doing nothing but listening?

What would there be to listen to if all of us were simply listening? The sound of deep breathing maybe?

But as soon as someone responds to you with true intention to address the issue which you rose, you say that all you really wanted after all was for them to listen to you.

So lets all just sit back and listen to Yossarian rant and we will have a long thread of posts with much bold type and oversize lettering telling us all what he thinks.

I don't know if you can grasp what I am trying to get at here Yosarrian, but there it is.

Now, with regard to New Age crap. I agree with you.

And I am as far from a new ager as one can get.

Most here frown on my constant reference to The Ancient wisdoms.

But what you are missing here is that, like all religious and cultural attempts to discern existence, much is intermingled and manipulated.

And I think you know this. However in your frustration with recent outcomes, you are now just tossing the baby out with the bathwater.

You don't want to hear anyone's honest thoughts and suppositions. You just want someone to pat you on the back and agree that you got ripped off and you have a right to be pissed.

But then, if that were true, why did you come to probably the one place in all the communicating world where that would NOT happen.

Because you wanted to lash out at those people who you believe were also fooled, so that you could slap them in the face for being so naive, rather than take that slap yourself.

What you are missing is that many of these members do not consider this a slap in the face, but rather another lesson from which to learn and grow.

And that has served to further infuriate you because you hoped that your ranting would make them feel the same pain and betrayal which you felt, and when it didn't work out the way you wanted it to, you were left a raving field of anger.

Have you listened?

You no longer want to hear anyone's thoughts now that all previous thought process has betrayed you.

So what now?

Are you closed to everything that any other person might now have to offer you?

Do you now believe that the only thing worth believing in is whatever you can manage to devise as truth and possibility?

Then I suggest to you my friend that therein lies your biggest problem.

You 'should' not 'believe' in anything.

As soon as speculation and supposition give way to belief, one has closed the book and concluded their seeking.

You are not mad at the charlatans or the members who attempt to engage your discussion, or even the failed prophecies.

You are angry that you have nothing left to believe in or anyone now to place your faith in.

You have always been a follower, and now you have been left alone in that grassy pasture without the shepherd.

Yosarrian its time to step up to the plate.

This is evolution, not see how many times you can chase the ball around the bases.

The carrot has been taken from your sight and now you must continue this journey alone.

Is this not what you are thinking my friend?

Beware! For you are never alone. There is guidance everywhere around you.

And interacting with it encompasses much more than mere listening and following.

Without speculation there is no consideration of choices and possibilities.

Without both failure and success there is no contest.

Without action and reaction there is no interaction.

Don't just stand at that plate and listen to the badgering and coaching of the team players. Swing and try to hit that damned ball to see what might happen.

It seems from your interactions here that you are the type that goes up to bat, and if he gets to third he relishes the glory of his success and enjoys the pats on the buttocks from his teammates.

BUT, when he strikes out...!

Well, in a screaming fit of temper and tantrum, it's everybody else's fault.

Take my advice or not. I have no expectations of anyone. And I am certainly not going to be shocked when my advice is taken out of context. As a matter of fact I more often do expect that to be the case.

That which you have now deemed to be New Age trash and betrayal, is really nothing more or less than any other religious speculation that has occurred over thousands of years.

The human may not always be the brightest star in the sky, but please don't take away our option to speculate and discern for ourselves.

It's all we really have that we can call our own.

It is what makes us what we are.

It is what brings us to where we will be.

Believe if you choose, but do not be shocked when that belief comes crashing down under the weight of truth. Expect it and be ready to move on.

My advice? Do not believe in anything, because anything is possible.

Speculate and theorize; but never believe.