Regarding "the striking of the clock", in 21 December every year there is a solstice, the beginning of winter, the shortest day. That does not mean it will snow (and be cold) every year. The astronomical event does not necessarely mean a physical manifestation every year. The cold can come in mid December or only by early January, but it is around the solstice, give it or take it a few weeks.
Same with astrological phenomena. Let's say, you have Uranus transiting your natal Sun between 2009 and 2011 (as I had). The transit is exact let's say Sept 2009, March 2010 and January 2011. That does not mean you will have events of change in exactly those dates, perhaps you have a sudden event of change in another month, but it is definitively the whole period that will be one of change.
With these two comparisons, it is my idea of the 2012 "event", the harvest and transition. It is gradual, the astronomical date does not has to be exact with the physical events. They will start before the exact date, and will manifest still after the exact date. And according to Quo, this transition takes hundred of years.
Before 21/12, I was a gradualist, and I still am. I foresee the 21st century as having a gradual stepwise destruction and renewal of our 3d society. (You already see this)
Also a stepwise and gradual transition to a more community-based and local way of living (kinda of early 4d STO).
By 2150, I think the entire world will be full of these communities, in par with a global society that is very different from our current one (and not so materalistic as now)
And then I think (and forgive me: this is just my intuition) by 2400 we start opening up to the other dimensions, and some telepathy (so only around 400 years from now). Add by 2700, a few centuries later, we will be fully 4D.
This is what I foresee for the future of our civilization. And of course I might be completely wrong. This is just my guess based in my dreams, visions and intuition.
However another problem (and this seems contradictory to me previous reply), it is that I also feel that we are living in a world fully controlled by deceiving STS entities. You know, the story of our religious books and myths...
So, they do everything possible to enslave the human race, and they are pretty much doing a good job. Humans also help, because they dont question themselves and the "books".
I think channeling is an attempt by those evil gods, to enslave us, as an replacement for the religions like Christianity and Islam that lasted the previous 2000 years. Now, they need a replacement. Nothing better than a 21st century version of religion. Still it is organized and a common thought - and no space for doubts or criticism.
"If you dont believe me and criticize me, then you are labeled as unspiritual and lacking love"
Where is the intelectual honesty with this? No space for democracy right? No space for individual independent thought?
Same with astrological phenomena. Let's say, you have Uranus transiting your natal Sun between 2009 and 2011 (as I had). The transit is exact let's say Sept 2009, March 2010 and January 2011. That does not mean you will have events of change in exactly those dates, perhaps you have a sudden event of change in another month, but it is definitively the whole period that will be one of change.
With these two comparisons, it is my idea of the 2012 "event", the harvest and transition. It is gradual, the astronomical date does not has to be exact with the physical events. They will start before the exact date, and will manifest still after the exact date. And according to Quo, this transition takes hundred of years.
Before 21/12, I was a gradualist, and I still am. I foresee the 21st century as having a gradual stepwise destruction and renewal of our 3d society. (You already see this)
Also a stepwise and gradual transition to a more community-based and local way of living (kinda of early 4d STO).
By 2150, I think the entire world will be full of these communities, in par with a global society that is very different from our current one (and not so materalistic as now)
And then I think (and forgive me: this is just my intuition) by 2400 we start opening up to the other dimensions, and some telepathy (so only around 400 years from now). Add by 2700, a few centuries later, we will be fully 4D.
This is what I foresee for the future of our civilization. And of course I might be completely wrong. This is just my guess based in my dreams, visions and intuition.
However another problem (and this seems contradictory to me previous reply), it is that I also feel that we are living in a world fully controlled by deceiving STS entities. You know, the story of our religious books and myths...
So, they do everything possible to enslave the human race, and they are pretty much doing a good job. Humans also help, because they dont question themselves and the "books".
I think channeling is an attempt by those evil gods, to enslave us, as an replacement for the religions like Christianity and Islam that lasted the previous 2000 years. Now, they need a replacement. Nothing better than a 21st century version of religion. Still it is organized and a common thought - and no space for doubts or criticism.
"If you dont believe me and criticize me, then you are labeled as unspiritual and lacking love"
Where is the intelectual honesty with this? No space for democracy right? No space for individual independent thought?
(12-24-2012, 10:52 AM)Xradfl Wrote: Apologies if I ramble abit as I'm thinking out loud here.
While I never really latched on to the harvest idea as tightly as some, I'm left a little curious as to the validity of all channeled material if something this profound and paramount to various channeled sources was invalid.
Though I can honestly say that from the moment I started reading the LOO, something had never sounded so true in my life. I'm not sure if that is because it is actually the way I always envisioned life as it should be or that its actually true but it is hard for me to accept that it can't be true unless all of it is the most creative, elaborate, time consuming hoax of all time. I mean, there are decades upon decades of channelings so there is no reason why people such as Carla, bashar, etc would continue this life of deception if it weren't true. Sure bashar seems to be making quite a bit of money with his seminars and live webcasts but Carla? I mean they take in just enough money to support L/L Research as it is it seems.
As I said earlier in this thread. If anything, this material has reopened my eyes to the way I always envisioned life and if it can't happen all in one fair swoop, I'm gonna at least live my life that way and hopefully rub off on a few people along the way