2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose

[Ali Quadir]

you are confusing the workings of the physical tool, brain, and its processes, which are used to manifest mind, with mind itself.

So.. How do you see it? It seems to me if the brain manifests the mind then the mind manifested by the brain cannot be equal to mind itself. Which is clear when you hit someone on the head with a steel pipe. Mind itself should not be affected but manifested mind most certainly is.

To me mind is simply that... Manifested by the brain. One of our faculties. If you cut it off you don't get a second one. Just like if you cut off your right hand you don't get a second one. These are manifestations of the physical.

There is no mind outside this "physical" mind. There is intelligence and wisdom, but not mind. Mind is one of a billion ways to "think" or process reality, humans also know intuition instincts and emotion.

with the same logic, you can easily mistake body for spirit.

The idea that there is a duality is very recent in human history, there is no duality. What we call body and what we call spirit are two different distorted conceptualizations of the same underlying reality which is beyond the conceptual.

Generations upon generations of adepts in various mystical traditions seriously disagree with you here.

generations upon generations of adepts have worked on these, so that thanks to them, we are able to actually talk and think on these today.

No.. We are not... They describe the phenomenon in the negative. Not this, not that. They don't say. Oh it's that. There's a reason for that. Why do you think becoming an adept is a choice for life? Because someone can clearly explain it to you it's just complicated so it takes long?

No because you need to unlearn all your assumptions. You actually need to silence the mind, or in some way learn to ignore it. You need to use the other faculties.

it is appalling that you can make grand statements on history, without giving any historical references, and even, forgetting the very material that this particular subforum is about, by the way.

I am not so worried about the fact that you are appalled. If you are, you should probably work on your emotions. However, if you desire references, ask for them.

generations upon generations of adepts have worked on the mysteries of existence by using their mind, the tool of manifesting wisdom, and 3 different groups, including Ra, helped them in that process by setting up pyramids and initiating them, and presenting them with work material, including the egyptian tarot, which constitutes the basis for the Ra material 4. did you actually read the 4th book i wonder.

I have read them. I have read more than them. I haven't restricted myself to just reading either.

This is the simple straight forward mistake anyone on the street would make on this subject. But again the mystery also known of that which cannot be spoken of. Cannot be spoken of not because we don't know the words. But because it cannot be translated into words. It lies beyond the human experience. Humans can experience it, but not as bio mechanical machines.

so then you shouldnt talk about it ?

People talk about it all the time, but you cannot express it. Those who know it don't require words for explanations. Those who don't know it will not understand due to words. Zen koans for example are typical attempts to describe the indescribable. And they do it by tricking the mind into the proper state rather than by their content.

Consider it like knowing a chicken you can read all about chickens in all kinds of books. But you don't know one unless you've at least seen one.

this is your logic. you cannot start understanding anything, before you start contemplating and working on understanding it.

Exactly... Wisdom is not understanding. Understanding is a mental faculty. It is physical and 3d in nature. Thereby limited in it's understanding to 3d concepts. Similar to how the human mind is incapable of directly thinking about 4 mathematical dimension. It does not have the faculties required. We can find truisms, but we cannot come to understanding using mind alone.

"this is your logic. you cannot start understanding anything, before you start contemplating and working on understanding it." Do you realize all bolds are restricted to mental processes? Have expressed it in any non mental way? Have you felt it, seen it, been it?

Somethings you just need to Grog. All at once or nothing at all. Humans DO have the faculties, but it's not in mind.

We are very mind centered as a species, we even go so far as to deny our other ways of perceiving truth. Which happen to be what those religions are attempting to teach their students.

Ra himself reminds us many many times that the bandwidth for his work is limited. Through the instrument they can only work with the mind. The books are recordings of this understanding, they supplement our understanding but alone cannot cause it.

Yet we are one with everything at this very moment. It's the same thing as the mystery, your mind may not be able to appreciate it, but your mind is irrelevant. It's reality.

you are not one with everything at this very moment. if you are, please travel by thought to the planet pluton, or, go stay on the sun for a few days, and manifest small suns.

Done.
But YOU too are doing that right now... Your ego is just not aware of it.

Travelling by thought is simply thinking. Where mind is integrated in faith it can then perceive what it travelled to directly. When you think about some issue and figure it out, you've essentially done it, everyone does that. Manifesting small suns is the same. You manifest the whole of reality, this includes the suns, small and large. They are however more than their manifestation in your reality. They also manifest in mine.

for, these are some of the feats which those who has garnered the MENTAL discipline to see all the existence as one being, can do, as Ra says. yet, you cannot.

I cannot connect the ego to the higher self without severely damaging it. That is correct. It is too crude to contain the totality. However, I already AM the things you say we have to become. Just like you are.. The ego is a manifestation of self, it is not self.

you are, purporting that you are one with everything. however what you are mistaking is, you are a PART of everything, and not one with everything. it becomes something outside you, just in a saying manner 'oh yes but we are all with one', without any actual reality. it remains something in philosophy.

It's not something in philosophy. It's a reality. We can use philosophy to explain some aspects of it, but it cannot grasp the reality. Just like the mind cannot. What we call *I* we usually limit to the *I* we know. But that's just a physical/mental/emotional/intuitive manfestation. There are more bodies we process reality through I mentioned instinct and I believe buddhists mention at least 8 of them.

had you been one with everything, you would not be here, in this octave. you would be in 8th dimension, in a timeless state, in between the octaves.

Your mind speaks. But if I am one with everything I logically MUST be here in this octave. Otherwise I am not one with everything. The fact that I am here now is expected if I am one with everything. So this is not a discerning factor.

It sounds enigmatic I'm sure... The point I'm trying to make is that you're in your mind. You make statements from your mind and are absolutely convinced of their reality. While mind is merely a result of your 3d physicality which is merely a result of what you are and the Law of One comes into play there. You're all that is. So what you are is more than this crude matter. And it must be more right now. There are conscious states in which it becomes possible to glimpse from a different perspective and see another version of you. The mere fact that these exist means we do not understand reality unless we understand those. And as I mentioned before, the mind is limited, too limited to do this.

Mind should be integrated in this higher reality in trust and not attempt to master it.