2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose

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OK, I made it up through the end of page two.

and naturally you brought up a lot of arguments that were already discussed. i will respond to these again, because you have taken the effort to read the first two pages. otherwise, its being just a repetition of other discussion branches with other people.

But they seem to think that the plan has been successful in reaching its goals:

Ra: I am Ra. We are aware of creations in which third density is lengthier and more space/time is given to the choosing. However, the proportions remain the same, the dimensions all being somewhat etiolated and weakened by the Logos to have a variant experience of the Creator. This creation is seen by us to be quite vivid.

76.18 Questioner: I didn’t understand what you meant by what you said “as seen by you to be quite vivid.” What did you mean?

Ra: I am Ra. This creation is somewhat more condensed by its Logos than some other Logoi have chosen. Thus each experience of the Creator by the Creator in this system of distortions is, relatively speaking, more bright or, as we said, vivid.

you should notice that there is great difference in between the general plan for evolution, progress, and the particular plan of this logos here in this locale. (and a few nearby others).

the general plan of evolution in this octave is experiencing of 7 discrete densities which all carry a certain aspect of this octave, with bodies that carry 7 energy centers. 8th acting as the first of next octave. this doesnt change by locale, actually, it is possible that such format may be repeating in every octave.

but, there can be 'refinements' to the general plan, as Ra says. it seems that logoi, ie, manifesting suns, have noticeable free will to modify the plans as they want. for example, the logos of this locale condensed the 3d greatly. if you condense any density, the experience of the creator by creator would become very vivid, strong. just like how a mere 75,000 years for 3d on planet earth. it becomes heavy, taxing, tolling, because the catalysts fly around like there's no tomorrow. (to the point of even requiring that the average lifespan should be 30 in egypt for example, due to too many catalysts). it also causes and increases the need for healing in between incarnations. but, that vividness doesnt make it successful - because as we learn from Ra in many places, accelerated experience in a density, means the need to balance that density in another level.

imagine - they destroyed a planet here (maldek). they have come here, and then created another catastrophe. (atlantis).

Ra doesn't say that the negative polarity destroyed Maldek or created the Atlantean catastrophe.

i dont remember saying maldek was negative polarity. im not sure what you are talking about here. these are 3d entities.

And yet, here we still are, with free will. The greater earth changes have not happened so far; the global guerilla war against communism and/or fascism has not entirely erupted; we're still bumbling along.

are you here by free will ?

a great major wave of wanderers, which lasted for a few centuries, which gave this planet the scientific and ideologic freedoms that were needed. and then, 65+ million wanderers circa 1980 and counting, all here to lessen the planetary vibrations so that another catastrophe may not occur, and there actually can be a harvest, (not 250 individuals out of every 4 billion like the second cycle), and if we take q'uo, it took another relocation to a different timeline so that everything wouldnt be totally wrecked, (which is to recombine with normal timeline apparently, somewhere near 2011 winter solstice), all this conscious channeling and spiritualism efforts that has been going on since approx 100 years (from the early days of spiritualism) ....

this is not a situation of 'free will'. free will, as this logos apparently intended, is, entities in 3d being free of greater influxes and influences, even to the extent of preventing their higher self from being closer to them. that would supposedly constitute free will. the 3d entities should have been by themselves, and live by themselves, and polarize by themselves.

yet, there has been endless numbers of wanderers in this planet, bringing their energy and their teachings past the veil. the set up for free will, has been violated in that regard.

16.25 Questioner: Can you tell me what percentage of those are third, fourth, fifth, sixth etc., density?

Ra: I am Ra. A percentage seventeen for first density, a percentage twenty for second density, a percentage twenty-seven for third density, a percentage sixteen for fourth density, a percentage six for fifth density. The other information must be withheld.

Second density is 20%, not "an extreme amount."

20% for 2nd density is a high amount, leaving out the already problematic 3d. 27 compared to the other distributions is already indicative of a way too active 3rd chakra. im totally leaving it out. that leaves 20% 2d chakra, which is still strong in comparison to 17% for red, and 16% for fourth.

however that point is not too important, since the idea of the topic is not that.

By the way, 17 + 20 + 27 + 16 + 6 = 86, so 14% is unaccounted for.

http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=1272

these were the subject of another analysis in another thread. 14% is too low for unaccounted for energy centers.

i mean, veiling any density is like veiling one of your chakras. can you expect to function normally entirety of your solar plexus was taken out, spiritually or physically ? no.

Veiling third density isn't taking it out.

the extreme example illustrates the illogicality and lack of wisdom of clogging the natural and free flow of creation's energies. it requires effort to miss the core of the example.

it is quite simple actually - because, you are not 'the creator'. you are a PART of the infinity that you call creator. therefore, if you are put under load over the level which you cant handle, either as in the size of the load or duration of the load, you suffer.

Actually, you are the Creator in its entirety, right now. The illusion is that you are not.

another 'illusion' argument again.

lets see :

the 'illusion' you are talking about the 'reality' the infinite intelligence was able to discover.

the definition of 'reality' is this. there no other 'reality' concept exist ; the manifestation of finite existences, a finite reality, is, as you see in front of your eyes now.

prefixing it or renaming with the world 'illusion' doesnt change the fact that, that illusion IS the reality discovered as it is.

the concept of finiteness was discovered, and you are currently manifesting according to that concept of finiteness. there is no other concept of finity. it is the only finity we know. so, if something manifests as that finity, it means that that thing, by the definition of the finite that infinite intelligence was able to discover, is, finite.

infinite numbers of finites actually constituting an infinite entity, does not make the finite parts of that entity, that entity itself.

in short, the thing you name 'illusion' is as far as what infinite intelligence was able to discover as 'reality'.

'you are here today, but in fact you are' - > no, i am here today, and i am finite. there is no 'in fact' -> that in fact refers to a future timepoint, which has not come to pass yet. and when that future timepoint comes, i will still be finite in this particular space time continuum with the other infinite numbers of finites (all of us) existing as finite in this continuum. when the finiteness ends for this particular creation at the end of this octave, we will return (possibly) to infinity, or (more possibly) to near-infinity, and only then we will be 'all that there is' and infinite.

Possibly, but we don't really know what percentage of the light strength of 4th through 6th densities is here at the moment.

no we do not know. we can guess, since 14% is the percentage for 6,7, and somewhat 8, it may be a small number. however, the strength of these manifestations may be stronger, but, we cant account for that.

however one thing is for certain, 65 million (the number circa 1980, it was a trend, and its increasing) is a very high number for 6d. if im not mistaken, ra at some point said Ra contained 60 million or so entities. so, that makes this number almost an entire complex.

60 million entities, being 3 densities lower than their natural density, is a huge misplacement. the fact that this misplacement may correct an imbalance does not change the fact that, that imbalance, therefore, the need for that misplacement should never have occurred.

There never was total nothingness. "The first known thing in creation is infinity."

this is another topic, despite it was discussed in a shallow manner in other topics.

infinity is not a thing, its total stillness. for infinity to happen, all the distortions must meet each other and nullify each other, completing each other. infinity only becomes some 'thing', when a differentiation occurs, like, infinity becoming intelligent, ie, infinite intelligence. (some remembrance of dewey physics here). therefore, even intelligence is a state different from infinity. ra's 'distortion' concept, going to first thought and then balancing all distortions, all point to this. not to mention that the experiences of various masters during meditation, sufis, and various occult and ancient descriptions of relevant experiences.

http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.ph...3#pid14843

Ra Session 13 of the Law of One January 29, 1981

It shall be understood that any portion, no matter how small, of any density or illusory pattern contains, [u]as in an holographic picture, the One Creator which is infinity. Thus all begins and ends in mystery.[/u]

again, containing a picture of infinity does not mean infinite.

Read it again. It doesn't say contains a picture. It says contains the One Creator which is infinity.

i believe you havent understood the sentence in that answer :

it says, as in an holographic picture. which means, all entities, nomatter how small, contain the one creator which is infinity, as in an holographic picture. not, practically. they carry the image, the model of the creator. and that question was actually contained in a context in which the energy models of entities are discussed, regarding all chakras being present and in potentiation even in 2d single cell organisms.

Ra never says the Infinite Creator needs to know Itself, merely that it decides to.

'deciding' to do anything would require that something that needs to be done present. something that is perfect, does not decide to do anything, because there is nothing that can be done. even if we go and accept that the creator does not need to know itself, but it just 'merely decides' to, it means that the creator didnt know itself, and, didnt need, but 'decided to' learn itself. that would mean that first, creator doesnt know itself, second, there is something that creator can do, which means that there is something that actually can be done.

which, is far from the state of perfection. in the state of infinity, everything would have been already done, and there should be nothing that could be done.

I agree that there would be no need, but why couldn't there be a desire for exploration?

there cant be a desire, because a desire would necessitate a distortion from the state of infinity - a state in which all desires and their objectives being together.

Why do you assume infinity is stillness? Ra uses the term plenum. Infinity is fullness, not emptiness.

i have given a link in a block a few blocks above. the depiction here describes it as i take it.

but specifically because, in infinity, all the things and their antitheses, all kinds of effects and causes, all kinds of distortions would be present and came together, nullifying themselves. thus, there would be only stillness.

stillness is not emptiness, or fullness. it is stillness. in stillness the empty and full also are present, and they cancel out each other. therefore, it is uniform everywhere, and its still.

infinity is a whole. if you take any part out of it, despite the part you take out is going to be 'none' compared to infinity, the infinity wont be the same because it lost one of its subset members.

It's not that we are infinite parts of an infinite whole. We are the infinite whole. The One Creator in Its entirety is within you. Take you away and there's nothing left.

if you are infinite whole, please project yourself to our space/time continuum that is to come 2 octaves later than this particular octave's creation we are experiencing, and bring us information from there.

if you cant, it means you are not infinite. had you been infinite, you wouldnt even have the need to project yourself actually, you wouldnt be even here, interacting through a computer screen. you actually wouldnt be the infinite intelligence, because, apparently even it is a distortion, differentiation from infinity.

the crude as the example may be, it illustrates what i said before ; the concept of finity that we have discovered is as you see here. it is, finite as it can be. it is the finity we discovered. until we discover an even more 'finite' finity, this finity will be the finity concept that is known in creation. and, anything manifesting as such, will be finite.

infinity. never changes.

How do you know?

corollary of what has been argumentated numerous times in this topic, and in a topic i have linked.