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    Thread: Understanding STO,STS, Densities


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    04-20-2015, 04:16 AM (This post was last modified: 04-20-2015, 05:38 AM by Stranger.)
    (04-20-2015, 12:26 AM)Minyatur Wrote: I doubt higher density negative do not understand the All 
    You are right Minyatur - in fact Ra says that beyond 3rd density STS discover that all is one, but choose to continue acting as if that were not true.  Understanding and putting into practice are different things.  There is no conflict within the One, so as long as STS entities create conflict and relate to others with antagonism, they are negating the Truth of Oneness with their actions, regardless of their understanding.
    Quote:as they are equally close to Intelligent Infinity as a same level STO entity would be.
    Yes, that is true, until late in 6th density where the STS cannot come any closer, because there is no conflict or possibility of conflict at the higher levels.
    Quote:Denying STS is rejecting part of the All as you are every STS entity that needs for themselves to be such way and experience what they do.
    I agree with you, and therefore the STO neither denies nor rejects STS because it recognizes that truth.
    Quote:STS works for the All in the exploration of many-ness on an equal footing with STO.
    I agree with you here also.  Both serve the same function of creating diversity of experience; but only STO's experience corresponds to the reality outside of illusion.
    Quote:To want STS entities to not be STS is STS in itself,
    Not necessarily, Minyatur.  Any untransformed negative emotion toward STS (or anything else for that matter) is indeed STS.  However, one can discuss the truth and falsity of claims without negative emotion, and with a loving acceptance of the One Consciousness experiencing both paths.  Doing so is STO.
    Quote:you are denying the right to be of other entities for what is alike you only.
    I'm assuming you don't mean *me personally* but rather mean "you" as a rhetorical device, since I have not indicated any wish to deny entities any rights. Again, it is possible to examine the truth and falseness of claims without denying anything to any entity.  
    Quote:STO is also a temporary illusion and artifact of creation just as STS is.  There is no self to priorize as there are no other-selves to accomodate. There is the All exploring and interacting with Itself
    Correct, but let's note that here you are talking about the level of ultimate reality, which is Oneness.
    Quote:, becoming Intelligent. Everything has happened in the source.
    It's vital to distinguish between Oneness (the Truth that transcends illusion) and Illusion (the concepts or thoughts that exist in the mind  of the One Indivisible Being; these thoughts are what we experience as reality).  

    The Source is not becoming intelligent as a consequence of its creation.  It is intelligent.   When Ra calls it "Intelligent infinity" they are including "intelligent" as an inherent, defining property of the One Creator.  Even prior to any creation, the Creator is an intelligent consciousness with infinite potential.  

    It is very important not to confuse the Creator - the one singular consciousness - with the creation, which consists of concepts in the Creator's mind.  They are not identical.  regardless of what's in the Creator's mind, the Creator remains unchanged in its nature, with no division or separation, harmonious blissful and whole.
    Quote:The source that creates All is the product of this very All.
    Again, I want to point out the same conflation of the two levels here - the Creator does not consist of the Creation and is not the product of it. The Creator is not evolving.  It is exploring.  Evolution is a series of concepts it came up with and decided to think about because it would produce experience. 

    In the same way that if Miyatur were to think, "what if I were a purple unicorn?  What would my life be like?  What would I do?" and were then to decide to close his eyes and imagine it very vividly, afterwards Minyatur would still be Minyatur with a much better conceptual understanding of what purple unicorns might be like if they existed, but would still not be a purple unicorn.  The Creator remains unchanged in its essence whatever the contents of its consciousness might be.  

    Confusing these two levels (the Creator's actual existence vs. the Creator's thoughts or creations) might lead one to conclude that "STS" or "physical bodies" or "income taxes" are somehow actually part of what defines the Creator, part of reality - and therefore should be equally honored as the Creator itself.  But they are only thoughts, not essence.  That is why negating the ultimate reality of STS or the ultimate reality of STO does not constitute negating any part of the Creator or his Oneness or Truth.  Transcending the illusion of many-ness that is both STS and STO while recognizing and honoring the truth of oneness and harmony (as STO does) corresponds to reality.

    Outside the Creation (i.e., in Creator's reality rather than Creator's thoughts) the Creator is in perfect harmony within Itself.  Within the illusion, that harmony and wholeness unmarred by any conflict is captured by the idea of STO, where the Creator's many pretend-parts attempt to find absolute acceptance and love for one another, and seek ever-increasing harmony and unity.  Yes, STO/Oneness/Harmony is also a concept in the Creator's mind and therefore an illusion, but unlike STS/Division/Antagonism it is a thought that more accurately represents the truth of the Creator's absolutely harmonious existence within itself.  

    A helpful chart:

    Truth (Creator's Actual Essence):                                                                           Ultimate Harmony; Oneness
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Illusion (Creator's thoughts):                                              STO:                                                                                                       STS:
                                                            Attempts to reach, regain Ultimate Harmony and Oneness                       Attempts to negate, destroy Harmony and Oneness
                                                            from within the illusion of many-ness                                                       from within the illusion of many-ness



    Quote:This octave is the exploration of the duality of STS and STO that arise by the illusion of self confronted to other-selves.  Whatever the entity, whatever the polarity, whatever the deeds, there is only the Creator.
    Again, agreed!
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