(08-24-2010, 09:28 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: I'm not sure that your distinction between infinity and intelligent infinity is all that convincing. Ra doesn't describe intelligent infinity's intelligence as a distortion. The first distortion, according to them, is free will.
Infinity became aware. There is no longer, as I understand it, any part of infinity that is not aware or intelligent.
just notice the 2 blocks above contradict.
if infinity wasnt aware before, it means that it wasnt infinity. for something to be infinite, it has to be everything that there can be, and also be nothing. ie, infinity.
for infinity to be able to be aware AFTER a certain state, and also to still have been infinity BEFORE that state, infinity would need to have split into 2 principles or states, aware and unaware. thus, before 'becoming aware', it would have been still infinity (because it was both aware and unaware), and so its infinity status would be actual.
that would still mean that, above the aware and unaware parts of infinity, there is still a unified infinity.
Quote:Very true. However, the concepts of infinity/unity and the illusory nature of our experience are so basic to their teaching that I doubt that those are concepts they'd forsake. But, by all means, if they don't work for you, please let them go.
infinity is basic ? entire existence is experiencing infinite numbers of octaves discovering it. it is by no means basic.
moreover, there are many things, ra could expand on, even without being asked, encouraging the questioner, yet they havent. there are also things that they have withheld, regardless of questioning. just because something is not expanded on the material, does not mean that it is as it is and no more.
Quote:This gets back to the concept of a holographic universe. It's pretty fundamental to Ra's teaching, as I understand it. We have discussed the quote where Ra says that "any portion, no matter how small, of any density or illusory pattern contains, as in an holographic picture, the One Creator which is infinity." Here's how they put it another time: "the unity of the Creator exists within the smallest portion of any material created by Love, much less in a self-aware being."
again, 'containing a picture' or image, and actually BEING the entirety, are two different things.
had it been the latter, there would be no point in multiple entities existing, because all would be the same, and there would be just one infinity.
and yet here we are, infinite entities experiencing an infinite creation.
Quote:It's definitely a reality, but the point is that it's an illusory reality.
firstly nothing called 'illusion' exists. 'existence' is, as you see it in front of you. everything that is experienced and observed are part of infinity, also, the infinite intelligence. they cannot be 'none', because then infinity wouldnt be infinity.
secondly we are spending an infinity in that 'illusory' reality. even we use the faulty term of 'illusion', if one is spending an infinity in that illusion, it means that illusion is real.
changing of the state of existence and their relations and a future state having little resemblance to the earlier does not make the current moment any less real.
Quote:That's fine, that you say that, as long as you're clear that it's different than what Ra says, which is that each of us has access to infinite capability.
again the same thing -> having access to infinite capability is different than BEING infinite. or infinity itself.
you have all access to infinite capability. but realizing that capability will take an infinite amount of time.
therefore, at any given moment, even if 8 octaves later than these, you are still not infinite.
(08-25-2010, 09:38 PM)Experience You Wrote: I suspect that the end of 7th density is a singularity, meaning it is the point where infinity IS Aware in totality and is all octaves EVERYTHING, it needs not be linear.
linearity nonlinearity aside,
had 7th density of this or any other octave, been infinite, there wouldnt be more than 1 octave after that one.