[split] "Some people eat animals, some don't."

[Monica]

I KNOW plants don't want to be eaten by communing with them myself. They are eaten because you want to eat them.

I commune with them too. I've been growing my own sprouts for 33 years, and gardening for 5 years. I love my plants. I perceive them as being excited when I harvest leaves. In fact, it's so funny...I continue to marvel how my lettuces and weeds (such as purslane, nettles, etc.) seem to proliferate more when I pick them.

I've even experimented. I've tried not harvesting any purslane for several days, and the plants stay about the same size. Well they might grow just a bit, but not much. Then I'll harvest about 1/2 of the plant and I'm not kidding you, the next day the plant has doubled in size! It's almost like they are gleefully inviting me to harvest more!

So...who is right? Me or you?

Neither of us can say. Maybe I'm wrong and completely misinterpreting the vibes I'm getting from my plants. Let's explore that possibility.

If I am wrong in my perceptions and you are right, then what do we do about it? Being that we must eat something while visiting this planet?

So, there's a 50/50 chance you are right and a 50/50 chance I am right.

I might be wrong about plants.

BUT, there is a 100% certainty that I'm right about animals feeling pain and fear, and fighting to escape the killer.

Furthermore, even IF you are right about plants, then that is all the more reason to quit eating animals, because by eating animals, you are killing MORE plants!!! Because the animals must first eat plants! and they eat a lot of plants to produce only a small amount of meat!

So it's really Not a question of eating animals vs. plants. It's a question of eating only some plants vs eating a lot MORE plants by eating the animals who eat the plants.

You even said yourself that fruits are the only karmic-free food but then you try to justify eating plant life?

I said that several years ago and I no longer think that. I completely retract that statement. I no longer believe there is any karma whatsoever in harvesting plants, because my gardening experience over the past few years has brought me into closer communion with plants and I just don't perceive that from them.

The exception is plants that are mass-produced in conventional monoculture farms. There is NO LOVE in that kind of farming! NO farmer lovingly tending his plants, but workers spraying them with toxic chemicals, and no one ever gives thanks, and the plants are harvested violently instead of lovingly, with machines. There isn't any ecosystem at all, but a place of death.

Now, you might say, "But a farmer can lovingly harvest his cows too!" to which I would reply: Rubbish! NO cow ever wants to be killed. If anything, the cow feels betrayed by his 'loving' caretaker suddenly turning on him! Think about what happens when a trusted adult suddenly molests a child. Betrayal!

Fruit is definitely 100% karma-free. Nothing is killed when fruit is harvested.

But again, even IF there is some karma in eating plants, then it logically follows that there is a lot MORE karma in eating animals, aside from the karma of killing the animals themselves, because meat-eaters kill MORE plants because the animals ate a lot of plants! More plants are killed to produce meat, than just eating the plants themselves.  

It's so hypocritical.

Um...no. Hypocrisy is saying one thing and doing another. 

You act like you are the only one who has done any research or connecting or consideration. It's infuriating and yes that is on me, but I am torn between love and wanting to commune to you and feeling like I am somehow disgusting to you simply because I do not have the same beliefs.

You aren't disgusting to me at all! I actually like you!    I do find the idea of eating animals disgusting yes, but that doesn't mean I find you as a person disgusting. If I thought every person who ate animals disgusting, then I wouldn't be able to have friendships with most people! since most people eat animals.

Gosh, at least I'll never have to kiss you. 

You act like you understand but you don't because you can't possibly, it's not of the nature of our density.

Well, I feel that I do understand why mainstream people have a hard time with this. It's due to social conditioning. They've been brought up eating meat and dairy and it's just normal to them. There's still a very strong societal bias in favor of eating meat/dairy and it's very difficult to disentangle from that collective consciousness. So yes, I do understand, actually.

I do admit that I have a hard time understanding how self-professed 'spiritual' people - many claiming to be 6D Wanderers - don't seem to grasp this. That perplexes me. Meanwhile, many people who've never read the Law of One 'get it' very quickly.

Just because it's not the density of understanding doesn't mean we can't understand anything. Else, why would Ra have bothered to give us this info in the first place?  :idea:

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