[split] "Some people eat animals, some don't."

[Minyatur]

So you do agree that the whole point is actively trying to make it something collective? Individual consumption having no actual power on the balance itself if one doesn't wish to partake to this group work.

No, I don't agree at all. Each of us has an opportunity to do our part. All of the power to effect change rests on the individual. We live in a holographic universe. The collective is made up of individuals.

I do agree with that, though I do think there are many areas to do our part and being vegan without actively trying to change others wouldn't add to anything to change the collective, except perhaps having a little more wasted meat in what is already produced.

Well you hear these calls and cannot hear others, just like others will hear some you cannot hear while not hearing these ones.

Entities who aren't sentient cannot call. Ra answered the call of 2D entities. That lone should be enough to know that they are sentient.

I didn't speak of sentient vs non-sentient which also is an interesting topic. From your perspective, would higher densities beings not be sentient because they have no physical nervous system? Or is being sentient something more on a metaphysical level of consciousness?

It's not necessarily serving me, it actually adds up very small amounts to the work I have to do on myself, slowing it down.

Then it's even more of a waste.

Well the negative energy is there, if I do transmute it then it it stops being negative energy and helps the planetary vibration in an extremely small way.

You were right in this being a service to myself though, just that it is an other matter which I would not consider a waste either. You could say I have my own reasons for slowing the process down.

Likewise, does not eating the animal serve him or serve yourself? (the animal being already killed of course) In my animal consumption I do believe I am dealing with the 1D foodstuff and not 2D animal whose soul already is elsewhere.

Yes, that animal's soul is already elsewhere. But our choices affect those not yet killed. Setting our intentions to do what we can to help awaken people to the atrocities they are unwittingly supporting, can indeed serve many entities, both human and animal, as well as the planet.

To go back to what I have said earlier, it's about "help awaken people to the atrocities they are unwittingly supporting". So about working on this one particular focus and bringing it out to the collective.

Because like I said, as an individual whether I meat or not from my perspective would not save any life nor prevent any attrocities. Though if you were to tell me I am currently hindering your work in lowering these attrocities, then I'd oblige to stop.

Ultimately I do believe each and every experience is chosen as building blocks to create what we are to become, and that's quite a lot of them throughout each densities. The freewill infringer being a tool/catalyst created by the victim to pursue it's path.

Yes, of course. This is about actually being the freewill infringer.

Eating what already is slaugthered could hardly be considered free will infringement in term of one's polarity. At this point what we are dealing with is an 1D entity which is not sentient from your description of things.

I did call it path because I do associate my own with this kind of path and I do not think what comes out of it is worthless. You are of course free to disagree.

I don't disagree that it has worth. I disagree about participating in the suffering of others, which I consider the task of negative entities.

I do agree it is a personal choice of one own's polarity in what service is provided, altough you could say many negative entities from your description of free will did not necessarily wish to be what they are.

In 3D we are neither postive nor negative entities. And negative entities have more to do than consuming meat, I'm sure some hardworking negative wanderers could be vegan to be more efficient in what they do.

I wouldn't have chosen the earth to incarnate because of it's meat eating, it's just already there whether I eat meat or not.

So are war, murder, rape, and myriad other negative things. But most of us aren't directly participating in those things on a daily basis, while attempting to justify them.

Well we read stories about war, murder, rape, etc which could be considered consuming them in a way or rather consuming their by-products. Just like I consume the by-product of animal slaugthering while not creating it myself.

If human civilizations were vegan, I'd be the last one to go hunting for meat. But they're not whatever I do eat.

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My main point being, it's not black and white but rather nuances of grey.