[split] "Some people eat animals, some don't."

[Monica]

I do agree with that, though I do think there are many areas to do our part and being vegan without actively trying to change others

It's Not about changing others. It's about championing the oppressed. This is an important distinction. Championing the oppressed is the very definition of being vegan. It's impossible to be vegan and not champion the victims of the meat/dairy industry.

Those who choose to avoid meat/dairy for health reasons are called plant-based. That does help the cause, to be sure, but it isn't the same thing as being vegan.

wouldn't add to anything to change the collective, except perhaps having a little more wasted meat in what is already produced.

You seem to be looking at this very short-term.

I didn't speak of sentient vs non-sentient which also is an interesting topic.

The issue of sentience has been discussed quite a lot in many of these meat threads.

From your perspective, would higher densities beings not be sentient because they have no physical nervous system? Or is being sentient something more on a metaphysical level of consciousness?

Entities in the higher densities are Not only sentient, but more highly evolved than 3D entities. My understanding of a SMC is that 4D+ entities retain their individual consciousness, while merging that consciousness with those of others.

In the context of entities incarnate in this physical reality, sentience means being aware of oneself as an individual, while incarnate in a physical body, as opposed to, say, a single blade of grass which is part of a group consciousness, not yet individuated.

Pain receptors and a nervous system are physical indicators of sentience, of entities who inhabit a physical vehicle. It has no relevance or applicability to entities who aren't incarnate.

Well the negative energy is there, if I do transmute it then it it stops being negative energy and helps the planetary vibration in an extremely small way.

Raising the vibration of dead matter doesn't help the victim at all.

You seem fixated on the matter after the animal has been killed. My focus is on not killing the animal.

Yes, animals are being killed. True, skipping the meat at a single meal won't save any animals.

But making a stand on this issue does, over time, affect the collective consciousness and that stance will ripple out and will absolutely help the victims.

You were right in this being a service to myself though, just that it is an other matter which I would not consider a waste either. You could say I have my own reasons for slowing the process down.

What process are you referring to?

Though if you were to tell me I am currently hindering your work in lowering these attrocities, then I'd oblige to stop.

What? Is that all I needed to say? Gosh, if I'd known that I would have said it a lot sooner!  

You are hindering my work in lowering those atrocities. Please stop. Please help me raise awareness.    

In 3D we are neither postive nor negative entities.

?? All 3D entities are of mixed polarity. What do you mean there are neither positive nor negative?

Well we read stories about war, murder, rape, etc which could be considered consuming them in a way or rather consuming their by-products. Just like I consume the by-product of animal slaugthering while not creating it myself.

What you're missing is that meat and dairy aren't byproducts of animal slaughter.

The demand for meat and dairy is the cause of animal slaughter. It's what drives it.

Reading about wars isn't the same as directly causing wars.

Consuming meat and dairy directly contributes to the demand for them, thus directly contributing to the cause.

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