(08-24-2015, 05:32 PM)Monica Wrote: It's impossible for it to have 'no impact' on another because another must be killed in order to eat it.
If you eat what is killed or have leave it to rot over in some dump, the damage is done. I do believe there's a lot of meat which is thrown everyday which could be considered worse than being consumed in my perspective.
(08-24-2015, 12:39 PM)Monica Wrote:(08-24-2015, 04:50 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: I have no strong time/space desire for meat and I wouldn't care if this world is vegetarian. But it is not and the slaugthering already is happening even if I weren't on this planet. As you and Diana described, the foodstuff energy is stagnant and heavy yet I do not mind taking what's already there as it is a 1D entity at this point and not a 2D one that I am dealing with.
It's Not about the substance called meat.
It's about the sentient being who was killed in order to produce that meat.
Why is this other-self, this sentient entity, left out of the discussion? Why is what happened to produce that meat - the spilling of another's blood - left out?
I do share love with any animals (mostly..) that I come across. I do believe this would be happening like I said whether I partake or not. I do agree that this earth is a mad and sad place but that's how this silly Universe is. An experience machine that goes further and further away from the orginal thought and which is intended to do so.
(08-24-2015, 12:39 PM)Monica Wrote:(08-24-2015, 04:50 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: About affecting the pool of supply and demand, I do think there are ways for one not to have an impact. In my current habits I seriously doubt I have one as I have very little impact on any compagny's sells of a day or week. In a week whether I eat a meal at one place or not, it won't have any impact in their supply/demand stock of that week or month. If I'd eat there everyday, perhaps but probably not even then.
I just showed that meat consumption has plummeted. Each of us CAN make a difference, together. Why remain in the sinkhole of indifference?
I would not try to make any other person follow me in my foot steps, as an individual alone I doubt I'd plummer it further. If I feel called to do so I might one day, so far I do not feel what I do to be wrong.
(08-24-2015, 12:39 PM)Monica Wrote:(08-24-2015, 04:50 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: The human group is composed of many subgroups, I am part of none that tries to change the ways of others as of now.
However, you are part of one that contributes to the demand for animal slaughter.
I always am open to perceiving differently, else I wouldn't partake in these threads.
(08-24-2015, 12:39 PM)Monica Wrote:(08-24-2015, 04:50 PM)Elros Tar-Minyatur Wrote: I can agree that the possibility of there being cases of causing harm exist, I disagree that you can take any of it and say it hurts something somewhere each times. I do believe one can eat meat while not causing any harm from his actions. As a whole surely not but as an individual it is possible under the right circumstances.
No, it's impossible. Unless you know of a way to obtain meat without killing anyone...?
Well this is a world where it is happening whether I want it or not. I would not create a world like this to eat meat nor do I feel in the wrong to feed on what already is sacrificed. I consider my desire for meat a lesser influence to myself and my polarity, one day it could be perceived as a greater influence which I could not be indifferent toward and lead me to make change.
Now it seems not the case and perhaps it is simply because I do not want to view myelf as a champion of the opressed. If I did maybe I'd be open to hear more callings that need the change I could bring with my actions. I still do want to point out that as I do not hear this one, there are still others do hear.