[split] "Some people eat animals, some don't."

[Nicholas]

He aint got a snowballs chance in hell! How can his green ray be activated in this situation!?

How is he any different from the man in your example?

The difference is identity! How can we realistically identify with animals when our predominant perceptions are sight and sound? A black slave says no, a cow says moo and a pig says oink.

He thinks black people are 'animals' and the man in your example does even worse to actual animals.

From your perspective this is obviously so but from mine It would be much more preferable to be ignorant of the circumstances. I would much rather be slaughtered than enslaved for life. Its quick and painful and I think man enslaving man is much worse an experience when a spirit complex (the creator within becomes conscious of itself?) is activated. An animal is well acquainted with a barbarous ending. It is economical for humans to find a quicker and easier method. I would rather be killed via the factory method than the natural one, were I to be an animal. From my human perspective that is.

What's the difference?

Density. When I first came across this idea of 4th density being invisible to third I logically queried in my mind "So how in 4th density can we commune with animals in 2nd density without 3rd density entities noticing?" This really baffled me and I concluded, initially, that I did not want to leave 3rd density if 2d communion was not possible in 4th density.

In both cases, they are selectively 'good' people to other humans that they deem on the same level as themselves, but enslave and/or kill entities that they deem inferior.

Again, identity explains a lot here. On the face of it, and in light of the LOO material there is no difference. But how can we discriminate against the ignorant in light of the ramifications of free will?

The slave 'owner' views black people the same way meat-eaters today view cows: Inferior, OK to enslave, beat, torture, kill...just property.

One that level I totally agree with you, yes. "God put them here to serve us" is one justification narrative. How do we approach these "distortions"?

But your counter question totally brings home to me the subjective nature of trying to communicate with words (as well as our desire to change things for the better). Indeed, how can a meat consuming third density entity have an activated heart centre when Ra terms this activation as one of "universal love"? Let alone a 3rd density entity enslaving 50 other 3rd density entities! With your analogy in mind though, what in comparison do 2nd density entities do to each other?

Wild animals tear each other apart but only for survival. Genuine hunger, with No other options. The lion's physiology is designed to crave meat - raw, bloody meat - and his instinct (which is just the word for group mind) teaches him how to hunt. But it's only for survival, never for sport, or just for taste, as humans do. And there is no enslavement.

I assume the orion group would find this planet a most fruitful and entertaining catch. They watch, they must surely enjoy the show. Our response to it all is vitally important!

At any rate, humans are presumably more evolved than the lions, no?

Yes, but it seems we are ripe for being enslaved ourselves if we cant discern between those that seek power and those that are seeking...

So without the political nuance (narrative). Do you think it is possible to graduate from our 3rd density while using 2nd density as a form of 3rd density sustenance?

I'm going to be more generous than you were with the slave 'owner.' You said he didn't have a snowball's chance in hell. Why so harsh?

Monica, I tend to express my opinion with conviction. Ahem! 

If I said that about someone eating meat, can you imagine the response I'd get??? OMG everyone would POUNCE on me!

Prrrrrrr...Me first!  

And yet you just said that about someone with nary a ripple of interest.

Why?

Perhaps one of my lessons in my life is humility? I don't know, maybe. I know I feel uncomfortable when I assert my point of view at the expense of somebody else suppressing their own. Early in my life I learned to speak up!

What's the difference?

I suppose its being able to relate, identify and communicate with eachother. Ra identified us with regards to our colour signature and it seems they set the bar high in terms of the criteria for contact. We have been blessed by this contact, yet, we persistently fail to recognise what facilitated the contact that they co-enacted. I sensed that harmony when I first read the LOO, it was almost palpable. My fiancee even asked me to read it to her even though the words I spoke from book one seemed meaningless. Regardless, she desired to join me in the experience that book one gave me.  Its way more than intellect and feelings, you know that. We can get easily lost in the details of this vast philosophy, easily dissect it to favour of our own biases. Its really about harmony and learning how to sustain that moment in time that I have attempted to describe above, long enough to usher in the ideals that we all unquestionably share.

There are socio/political/economic/geographical/historical and physiological factors that come into play here, and we are surely assuming an awful lot if we commit to a definitive answer, are we not?

Indeed. Why, then, are you asking me for one?

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I am like you Monica, expressive, emotive and energetic. Just look at our own dashboards and you can see correlations. I was merely requesting that you remind yourself of the grey area within this discussion. One the one hand it is unequivocally obvious, yet on the other it is a mystery that suspends, with inpouring breath, timelessly awaiting its own outpouring discovery.