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    04-02-2016, 03:43 PM (This post was last modified: 04-02-2016, 04:18 PM by Illamasqua.)
    (04-01-2016, 10:34 PM)Glow Wrote: Do you then believe literally the Law of One?

    The very definition of belief implies something which is accepted as factual without proof (lack of knowledge). It is akin to faith. One who knows, however, does not believe. Knowledge is the indelible certainty that can only come from direct, first-hand, empirical, self-validating experience (including that extracted from the vast annals of memory).

    Does a child believes s/he can ride a bicycle after riding it, or does s/he know it for a fact? Perhaps s/his friend, who lacks the experience, merely believes. That's perfectly OK. However, let us not confuse one for the other, as there is a very sharp distinction between the two.

    Therefore, some believe in the Law of One. (*)

    Others know it for a fact (even if their humility brings them to claim otherwise).

    There is a very subtle difference in this. The same subtle difference that lies between these two seemingly equivalent yet diametrically opposite aphorisms:

    "Believe in yourself"

    "Know thyself"


    Whereas one is an internet meme anyone may casually share on Facebook or something any "life-coach" could tell you, the other is rarely ever heard of (let alone seriously contemplated upon).

    Belief is not a bad thing per se. It is merely based on ignorance (i.e. lack of gnosis, or knowledge). And ignorance is not a bad thing either (as it allows for the progressive accumulation of knowledge of via experience—which is the whole purpose of Creation to begin with). However, belief, in and of itself, does not lead to any answers and, more often than not, (mis)leads into the Woo-Woo Land of Wishful Thinking. Some belief is good, event natural, harmless (one may believe tomorrow will be a rainy day with a full moon, for example, but we're not talking about such innocuous, trivial beliefs here). The problem arises when belief replaces one's own personal responsibility/right for the seeking of direct, first-hand, empirical, self-validating experience—thereby knowling.

    This is, in part, why this world is as it is today: a world where people relegate their own personal/individual progress to external sources of alleged authority usually in the image of so-called "men of science," whilst they themselves lazily lay on a couch watching TV—a world where belief has become nothing more than a symbol and a fashion statement, worn as a necklace, earring or logo on a t-shirt.

    See, belief is easy and, if perpetuated, usually does not lead anywhere but stagnation in terms of personal advancement. Pursuing knowledge, however, requires effort (a minuscule application of sustained will/desire/intention in the right direction, really), but ultimately leads to the Heart/Source of all things—the answers, the meaning, the purpose, the REAL-ization—without any intermediaries.

    This is why meditation can never be emphasized enough (hell, this is why the Confederation has these fancy little "broadcasting machines" here on Earth transmitting/repeating the same message over and over ad nauseam!).

    Of course, one cannot be expected to know all things! (Not even in 4th, 5th or 6th density.) One can, however, seek to know and, in so doing, progressively expand/broaden one's perceptual horizons of awareness—rather than fall asleep in the comfort of a belief system.

    (*) Note that the Law of One is a universal law (more specifically the law associated with 6th density—each density similarly being associated with one governing law, if you will). The Ra Material is not the Law of One per se, but merely one of many 6th-density complex's efforts to bring said law to the awareness of the people of this world (particularly, Those Who Wander).

    Quote:That there are 4th 5th etc dimiensions and that we individually progress toward full unity aka source where at that point and not before individual beings are no longer?

    This is correct. This progression may be observed in a linear fashion much as how one may observe a hitherto "inert" pond of chemical elements give rise to microscopically tiny cellular/genetic reticulations which then lead to the monumental "explosion of life" with all its multifarious plant/animal forms over millions and millions of years of evolution and, eventually, the human-being (ET genetic interventions notwithstanding)—and now, the 4th-density "human."

    However, the question of "individual progress" and "individual beings" is a bit more tricky, for at which point does an individual begin and end? Is a mountain an individual, or are all its constituent rocks/minerals individuals? See, individuality requires self-awareness (ego). As such, it is more properly the characteristic attribute of of 3rd-, 4th- and 5th-density entities, with late-2nd exhibiting pre-selfhoodness (as evidenced by household pets, most farm animals, large mammals like whales and elephants, certain trees, etc.) and early-6th moving into post-selfhoodness (hence the Law of One, where literal unification begins to occur).

    1st and 7th density do not figure into this as they more appropriately partake of the awareness of the Creator in a purer or less distorted fashion: immediately after Creation begins to unroll itself out (1st density) and right at the cusp before Creation is rolled back into the Source (7th density). As such, the awareness of these two densities is very distinct from all others.

    Quote:My issue is that now understanding the we being one thing

    Only a singular One can be singularly One. "We" is "many." It is for you to resolve the paradox Tongue

    Quote:I see no reason to believe that all of that isn't just further veiling to give more depth to this incarnation.

    Ah, but you see, it's all about this depth, this added contrast, this exploration of limits, which makes the eventual REAL-ization of the Creator by the Creator proportionally more impactful.  


    As an aside here, let us not make the mistake of confusing "the veil of forgetting" with 3rd density itself, as 3D exists (and always existed) quite independently from the veil. Think of the veil as a later add-on or enhancement to 3D to spice things up and create a richer, more varied experience from what would otherwise be considered a stale, monotonous situation (where every 3rd-density entity was aware—within their own 3D cognitive limitations—they were "part" of something greater, something interconnected, part of a whole—much like 2nd-densities in their pre-selfhood innocence may variously perceive). The veil merely placed a semi-permeable "screen" between the physical and non-physical portions of the mind/body/spirit complex, effectively inducing a sort of metaphysical amnesia at the onset of each incarnation.

    This "split" in mind (outer-consciousness/inner-consciousness) allowed entities to experience a "disconnect" from their underlying sense of, well, interconnectedness, which in turn allowed for a previously unimaginable concept to occur: conflict (i.e. the possibility for one to act against another)—the root of all "evil." See, prior to the veil the possibility of "evil" was inconceivable. "Evil," however, allowed "good" to be defined (it was previously undefinable because it was "the only way" and it simply lacked a reason to be as there was no contrast to it, no push, no reason—no salt to the sugar, if you will).

    Although the veil is strictly a 3rd-density phenomenon, its effect naturally carries over into the later densities, as choices made under the 3D veil not only allowed for an "alternate" evolutionary path to be explored (i.e. the path of "evil") but it also helps more sharply define the personality and thus provides a greater sense of weight/meaning across the following (non-veiled) densities (4th and 5th, particularly—as the "split" must be mended by 6th density).

    This tangent is merely offered with the hopes that the veil may be more fully appreciated. After all, most people may not realize mots of the things they enjoy—music, movies, video-games, anime, novels, politics, capitalism, war-making and even artificial gender differentiations—would not have existed without the veil in mind (not in their current form of expression, that is), for they are all based on one singular concept: CONFLICT (man against man).

    TLDR: The veil is not 3rd density itself, but a 3rd-density addition.



    Quote:There really is no reason for all of it to exist.

    The reason is simply the experience of that abstract concept we call Existence itself—so absolutely abstract its very beingness is the Ultimate Mystery. And this is the very reason why an insurmountable number of Creations will/have end/ended right where/when they begin/begun: at One.

    Quote:I would like to believe because my ego isn't ready to except oblivion, I don't want to let go of the illusion of soulgroups and plans to raise human consiousness.

    Then don't Smile

    Quote:(...) but intellectually I see that all the dimensions  aren't necissary at all for creation to get what it wants. Experiences. It doesn't need intermediary host.

    Without a foundational framework, a pre-established blueprint, an array of mathematically/geometrically-coherent illusory natural laws to keep it all together in perfect order/harmony, there'd be no possibility for any intelligible experience to be had.  

    Quote:I loved the ladder climb but can I trust it? (...) You may ask why I'm here then. Well LOO rings true, I like the storey, but I want the truth. Not sugar coated, the truth even if I don't like it.

    You are asking a mirror. At this point, all that is left to say is (as others wisely pointed out): meditate.


    PS: Before Illamasqua was chosen as this account's name, Glow had been one of the other candidates Tongue
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