(06-15-2017, 06:54 AM)yossarian Wrote: A lot of the Hidden Hand stuff doesn't add up. He says Yahweh was the good guy but in the Bible it's Yahweh who is ordering the murder of children. He says Lucifer is STS but Lucifer didn't do anything wrong in the Bible or any other myths either.
All human mythology depicts Lucifer as offering questions, doubts, skepticism, and an apple.
Meanwhile, Yahweh orders human sacrifice, genocide, rape, stoning, killing your own children, blind obedience, irrational hatred, breaking up families, starting wars of annihilation, and even offering up your own family to be raped as a service to guests.
So the whole demonization of Lucifer and elevation of Yahweh doesn't make any sense.
Lucifer, by all accounts, represents intelligence, careful thought, skepticism, rationality, and maybe pleasure.
Yahweh the complete opposite.
Hidden Hand just took the Ra Material and rewrote it as the basis for his LARPing. There wasn't anything new or substantial in there. Even the wild theories about some elite bloodlines living in underground bases were already around long before he posted them.
There is nothing there to suggest it isn't a hoax. Not even one original idea.
I agree about Hidden Hand, this was nothing more than a not so well elaborated hoax, partly based on the Ra Material.
Regarding this particular thread, and having been very interested in conspiracy theories in the late 90s and early 2000s, I am now sure the Illuminati do not exist at all. While it is obvious there are various STS oriented groups who try gain power by controlling (or at least trying to control) the economy, these groups fluctuated a lot through history and there is no such centuries old group like the Illuminati which would be above all the others. Essentially because the nature of 'power', the way STS oriented people could control and enslave others, has changed a lot in the last two centuries.
Today, the most influential ones are people controlling the biggest banks and companies, mostly in the US and western Europe, and some of their members may be related to several secret or partially secret organizations, but their are plenty of them. Just look at the most influential US thinks tanks like the Brooklyn Institution or the CFR, or at so called discussion groups like the Trilateral Commission. There reside today those of STS who try to 'control' the world. These groups are rather new, no more than a few decades old for some. The three I mentioned are some of the most influential and powerful ones, but there are many others, and they do not necessarily cooperate, on the contrary, being primarily STS oriented by nature.
There resides their difference when compared to older elitist organizations like the Free Masonry, where you could find STO oriented people and ideas.