06-19-2019, 06:45 PM
(06-19-2019, 03:47 PM)ScottK Wrote: It would be impossible to create a truly positive society while having folks enter that society who wish to destroy it. Pretty obvious to me.
Agreed. The problem is that this very line of thinking that we're having, though quite accurate, is what leads towards a reduction in compassion, compassion being the only thing that makes 3rd density advance towards 4th density. Abundant compassion with just the bare minimum amounts of wisdom is probably the perfect solution. But it sure is hard finding that point while here in 3d...
I was just reminded of this quote from Ra:
Quote:95.26 ▶ Questioner: Am I to understand, then, that there is no protection at all if the Experience of the Mind has become negative and the negative path is traveled? All random catalyst may affect the negatively polarized individual as a function of the statistical nature of the random catalyst. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. You may note some of those of your peoples which, at this space/time nexus, seek places of survival. This is due to the lack of protection when service to self is invoked.
This is... pretty freaking damning. Most of us probably raised an eyebrow when we first read this. It even makes me wonder if the channeling contact was infiltrated by Orion at this point.
There's also this, though:
Quote:The one called Moishe was open to impression and received the Law of One in its most simple form. However, the information became negatively oriented due to his people’s pressure to do specific physical things in the third-density planes. This left the entity open for the type of information and philosophy of a self-service nature.
If these extracts are really from Ra and the contact with them was never compromised, it would seem that a red ray focus, the fear of death and a lack of faith would not only polarize negatively, but potentially bring to the self all sorts of tragedy and misfortune. I... don't really know what to make of this. The implications are not something that I like. I wonder what opinions you folks have about that.
(06-19-2019, 03:56 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: Like Infinite, I have issues relating the natural laws of how higher densities function with the topic of third density immigration.
An analogy can be made on the grounds that STS and STO 4th density societies are, for all intents and purposes, cultures of different and opposing values that, hypothetically speaking, could perfectly exist right here on Earth. STO believes in universal compassion, freedom and on the inherent value of any and all individuals. STS believes in control, "might makes right", scoffs at compassion and thinks that an individual is only as valuable as his or her place in the hierarchy. If these two societies existed right here on Earth, and we faced the immigration dilemma, what would we do about it? This is mostly a philosophical question. I'm not trying to draw parallelisms between STO or STS societies and actual nations of Earth.
(06-19-2019, 03:56 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: Is the implication that the majority of immigrants are operating on an "STS-like mentality"?
In the opinion of the most hardcore proponents of strict immigration laws (and apparently in Ra's!), yes. If you are asking about my personal perspective, then no.
(06-19-2019, 03:56 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: then that still ignores the fact that this mentality is completely lacking in consideration of love, acceptance, and service for those who are genuinely seeking a better life
There's been some misunderstanding. I was writing under the idea that the perspective of protecting one's family, friends or nation by any means necessary and at the expense of all other groups is, itself, STS. My argument was that if this is STS (and it is, as we both implied), wouldn't any and all 4th density positive societies be, paradoxically, rather negative themselves, if they never allowed any STS entity inside their boarders? Again, for argument's sake, let's say that we're talking about non-existent hypothetical nations on Earth and not the higher densities (where the light/vibratory incompatibilities are quite a big metaphysical cop out when it comes to this dilemma).
(06-19-2019, 03:56 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: But far more often do I see proponents of strict immigration simply upset about the potential undesirables
Agreed. I don't want to judge too much, however. I believe it's important to know what drove these people to have such views/priorities to begin with.
(06-19-2019, 03:56 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: There is a difference between an actual STS person and someone who has developed self-serving attitudes due to a culture or life shaped by lack of fundamental resources.
I'm of the opinion that the huge majority of STS entities start down that path due to a context of trauma, tragedy or emotional pain; that they're people who adopted the perspective that love is literally unattainable or an illusion, and so, being denied the very thing that every soul yearns for, they saw no option but to embrace a substitute: Power over others. I know it's very dark subject matter, but if you haven't, I would recommend taking a look at some of the writings/videos of perpetrators of mass shootings. Elliot Rodger comes to mind right now. He was in extreme emotional pain because of a great desire to find a love he thought he couldn't get. He made The Choice in his own way, and under a situation of lack of love, instead of embracing love for all, he embraced power over others (as Ra says, putting other-selves to death being the ultimate power over others). I was thinking of opening a thread about this very subject, as I think it's of great interest, and quite central to TLOO philosophy.
(06-19-2019, 03:56 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote: love can prevail in a person despite circumstances
Indeed so. In my estimation, the illusion of 3rd density is constructed with tragedy as an essential and inevitable component of it. Tragedy is what drives entities towards the making of The Choice. It tests whether we believe in love, TRULY believe in love (that is to say, making the conscious decision of being loving even when one is not being given love), or falling into the mindset that the pain that one is suffering is so great and so unacceptable that, having seen love as unattainable, the alternative is embraced.