Random thoughts on immigration, STO purity, and positive/negative separation

[Ray711]

Thanks Cyclops for those links, I'll check them out.

What you are talking about in this thread has nothing to do with fear of death or lack of faith. It's a creation related process. You cannot create something positive while willfully introducing something that will hinder the process of creating something positive.

Maybe ideas have been somewhat mixed. The above quotes make it very clear that, in Ra's estimation, if someone is "seeking a place of survival", that is because said individual is experiencing catalyst of a random nature brought about because of STS being invoked (I am quite opposed to this idea on principle, but that is what the material says). In that regard, first invoking STO, and then using faith in order to stop caring about whether you live or die (instead, putting that energy into loving others) would stop that random catalyst. If Ra is correct, that is.

To answer directly to what you say, even though a more grounded 3d perspective makes me agree with you, there's the example of Jesus. Jesus told his followers to put down the swords, and accepted being put to death. Would the use of wisdom and the idea that Jesus was a kinder and more compassionate person than anyone else on Earth justify hurting or even killing other-selves in order to save Jesus? Would Jesus have been as influential in our history if he had lived many more years, without his sacrifice?

But the view that there is here in 3D a situation of immigration where you cannot let 'pollution' of STS on STO seems to me really strange.

Just to clarify, I consider a capitalist system to lean strongly towards STS.

I don't understand what you mean when you say 4th density positive doesn't begin with absolute purity.

I believe it's a conclusion that can be reached based on quotes here and there. For example, Ra said that once a 4th density positive society is close to being 5th density harvestable, the STO polarity has reached a level close to 98%. There's also this quote from Q'uo:

The one known as Billy Meier is anomalous in that this entity was dealing with unaffiliated entities of fourth-density level; that is, they were not affiliated with the Confederation of Planets in the Service of the Infinite Creator. They, and the one known as Billy, were able to offer some positively-oriented and inspirational material thanks to the catalysis of the one known as Billy.

At the same time, these entities were not entirely positive. That is to say, though of fourth-density level, they had not come through the development into a planetary social memory complex and consequently their actions were, in many ways, flawed according to that rule of non-infringement on free will that is so dear to our hearts.

Without more information, it's hard to tell what negative behavior are 4th density STO entities capable of, exactly. We have information on the impossibility to cause disharmony, but perhaps that applies strictly to the interactions between the members of that particular 4d society. In any case, I don't think we can rule out that an early 4d STO society may be only 51% STO polarized. That's still quite a bit of STS polarity to deal with.

I also don't understand when you say the 4th density entity realizes that the STS entity is as much value.....are you saying we won't realize that until 4th density? If so, many of us are already on board with that while in 3rd density.

True, but what if people who accept loving "monsters" do so because they/we are wanderers who, at the subconscious level, are remembering the values of unconditional love from past lifes? This idea of loving even the "monsters" is not very common here on Earth at all, which gives some weight to the possibility that most 3d natives, even if STO harvestable, prefer to hate the monsters, rather than love them. How many people on Earth are willing to have compassion for a mass shooter, a pedophile or a tyrant?

I may not desire to hurt you but of you attack me with a knife I may hit you with a lamp to protect myself so that I can continue my journey but that doesn't mean I don't love you and may have to spend the rest of this incarnation balancing my actions. That would not be an STS scenario.

Agreed.

It seems to me that you are possibly presenting arguments and debates rather than seeking answers. Or perhaps I am reading this incorrectly and that would be great if I were.

I'm confused by this. Yes, I was interested in great part in having a somewhat aimless philosophical debate (in that sense, the "random thoughts" in the topic was very deliberate). That doesn't mean I am opposed to distilling whatever love (and wisdom!) can be distilled from the ideas and concepts discussed, though.