08-05-2021, 11:14 PM
(08-05-2021, 03:27 PM)Patrick Wrote: The restitution part probably gets harder everyday for someone wanting to poison themselves on purpose everyday.
That's a great point. Is it possible to have true forgiveness without an equivalent change in behavior? I don't think so. If one wants to alleviate karma, I think it must have a corresponding change in behavior with behavior seeking restitution, which is the opposite behavior of the harm that was caused, being the best option. Perhaps this is the essence of spiritual bypassing and being ungrounded... not changing how one thinks and acts in response to negative consequences and simply choosing to ignore the consequences (believing this to be forgiveness) rather than understand and integrate the consequences into one's understanding of reality (what I call true forgiveness).
I like to think of karma as a form of momentum towards a way of living that lends itself to a set pattern of consequences. One may think that forgiveness is simply a change of perspective, but if this change of perspective does not lend itself to undoing the negative momentum, then it is not a change of perspective that is true forgiveness and only the illusion of forgiveness. People may think they've forgiven something when their actions show that they have not actually changed their perspective properly to stop producing negative karma.
Linking back to the poison example, someone who truly forgives themselves for drinking poison will then seek to stop drinking the poison and move the momentum in the opposite direction towards only drinking healthy drinks and undoing the harm of the poison. But if someone has built up so much momentum (such as alcohol addiction), it may take significant time and effort to fully undo the momentum even if true forgiveness or change of perspective is the first step. In contrast, an alcohol addict who believes they've forgiven themselves each time they drink in excess each day but do not change their behavior are spiritually bypassing and not actually balancing the karma.
Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:Forget it your wisdom won't be well aceepted here. I like your wisdom however as it resonates with me. While it is very true that forgiveness can squash Karma there is also a side that needs for certain amount of Karmic situations to play out instead of looking at all human suffering as needless. Some of our greatest amounts of growth have been captured through large amounts of human suffering. According to myself, the only needless suffering is what is imposed on the self by one's own self but until we are liberated from ignorance we can never know the depth of our own ignorance. Once we are consciously aware of this depth, forgiveness can be presented as the only solution. But I really enjoyed reading this comment as it resonated with me deeply.
It's alright with me however others on this forum choose to interpret or use the words I offer. I share them for purposes of helping others grow and learn based on what I've learned from my personal experience, but it's possible others don't see them as helpful which I accept as it's outside of my control. But if I help just one reader find more clarity (and I'm glad my message resonated with you), then it is worth it for my time and effort. For to help one is to help all.
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