05-26-2009, 10:20 AM
Excellent topic ayadew,
I'd like to look at from a few different perspectives. Let's start with a somewhat "clinical" LoO perspective:
So from here we see that suicide is a significant issue with respect to the Law of One. It's interesting to note that this is the only passage in which the word suicide appears in the first four books of the Law of One. In Book V it appears twice more, both written by Carla in reference to Don's suicide. So we have an interesting juxtaposition of references to suicide in our source material. On the one hand, Ra says that suicide essentially necessitates another 3D incarnation to learn the lessons that were missed. On the other hand, I feel confident that Don Elkin's suicide did not involve this karmic requirement.
Although I think the primary reference is applicable to the vast majority of suicides, I do think that there are situations in which suicide does not necessitate another 3D incarnation. Again, this is just my supposition, but it seems to me that if suicide is done with the (broad) intent of service to others and forgiveness of self, then it can avoid the karmic bonds. This could include the follow reasons:
1. Life's purpose is complete (One aspect, I think, of Don's departure).
2. To aid in the life lesson of another self (I think this was a major part of Don's suicide, in that it created a massive catalyst for Carla that was a life lesson in self forgiveness for her).
3. Martyrdom
Clearly suicide involves some issue with red ray, but it can also have associated orange, yellow, or green ray aspects. When dealing with our own flirtations with self destructive behavior, I would suggest focusing on the the red ray. I think that some assisted suicides do involve karmic bonds for reincarnation because they involve avoiding an aspect of a life lesson that they were placed here to embrace. It also seems likely that some assisted suicides fit in one of the categories above, and avoid karmic implications.
I feel that your recollection of suicide for curiosity's sake, ayadew, is an example of one that did involve the karmic bond, primarily because you came away from the recollection with a strong internal commitment not to do so in this incarnation.
It should also be noted that a person can quite literally and consciously choose to die. Metaphysically, this amounts to essentially pinching off the red ray over a fairly short period of time. We've all seen people that lose the will to live, and having done so, simply die in short order either of sudden on set diseases (cancers, pneumonia, etc.) , systemic failures (heart attack, stroke, aneurysms, etc.), or conscious choices to not eat or drink. I think that all of these also play by the same metaphysical rules as suicide, even though they may not be viewed as suicide by our societies.
In summary, it seems to me that self-annihilating behavior is almost always contrary to our purposes, but may on rare occasions be supportive. Ultimately though, like most everything else in life, the karmic price we pay for these actions is more a function of our underlying motivations and intent than the act itself.
Just my thoughts on an interesting topic. Thanks for bringing it up.
Love and Light,
3D Sunset
I'd like to look at from a few different perspectives. Let's start with a somewhat "clinical" LoO perspective:
Law of One, Book 3, Session 69 Wrote:Questioner: Do I understand, then, that death, whether it is by natural means or accidental means or suicide, that all deaths of this type would create the same after-death condition which would avail the entity to its protection from friends? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. We presume you mean to inquire whether in the death experience, no matter what the cause, the negative friends are not able to remove an entity. This is correct largely because the entity without the attachment to the space/time physical complex is far more aware and without the gullibility which is somewhat the hallmark of those who love wholeheartedly.
However, the death, if natural, would undoubtedly be the more harmonious; the death by murder being confused and the entity needing some time/space in which to get its bearings, so to speak; the death by suicide causing the necessity for much healing work and, shall we say, the making of a dedication to the third-density for the renewed opportunity of learning the lessons set by the higher self.
So from here we see that suicide is a significant issue with respect to the Law of One. It's interesting to note that this is the only passage in which the word suicide appears in the first four books of the Law of One. In Book V it appears twice more, both written by Carla in reference to Don's suicide. So we have an interesting juxtaposition of references to suicide in our source material. On the one hand, Ra says that suicide essentially necessitates another 3D incarnation to learn the lessons that were missed. On the other hand, I feel confident that Don Elkin's suicide did not involve this karmic requirement.
Although I think the primary reference is applicable to the vast majority of suicides, I do think that there are situations in which suicide does not necessitate another 3D incarnation. Again, this is just my supposition, but it seems to me that if suicide is done with the (broad) intent of service to others and forgiveness of self, then it can avoid the karmic bonds. This could include the follow reasons:
1. Life's purpose is complete (One aspect, I think, of Don's departure).
2. To aid in the life lesson of another self (I think this was a major part of Don's suicide, in that it created a massive catalyst for Carla that was a life lesson in self forgiveness for her).
3. Martyrdom
Clearly suicide involves some issue with red ray, but it can also have associated orange, yellow, or green ray aspects. When dealing with our own flirtations with self destructive behavior, I would suggest focusing on the the red ray. I think that some assisted suicides do involve karmic bonds for reincarnation because they involve avoiding an aspect of a life lesson that they were placed here to embrace. It also seems likely that some assisted suicides fit in one of the categories above, and avoid karmic implications.
I feel that your recollection of suicide for curiosity's sake, ayadew, is an example of one that did involve the karmic bond, primarily because you came away from the recollection with a strong internal commitment not to do so in this incarnation.
It should also be noted that a person can quite literally and consciously choose to die. Metaphysically, this amounts to essentially pinching off the red ray over a fairly short period of time. We've all seen people that lose the will to live, and having done so, simply die in short order either of sudden on set diseases (cancers, pneumonia, etc.) , systemic failures (heart attack, stroke, aneurysms, etc.), or conscious choices to not eat or drink. I think that all of these also play by the same metaphysical rules as suicide, even though they may not be viewed as suicide by our societies.
In summary, it seems to me that self-annihilating behavior is almost always contrary to our purposes, but may on rare occasions be supportive. Ultimately though, like most everything else in life, the karmic price we pay for these actions is more a function of our underlying motivations and intent than the act itself.
Just my thoughts on an interesting topic. Thanks for bringing it up.
Love and Light,
3D Sunset