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    03-23-2022, 08:44 PM
    The situation in Ukraine is a great lesson in negative polarization and how the negatively polarized behave.

    To understand it, one must understand the background and development of the situation and its main actors - mainly, these:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_fo...an_Century

    These people have been advocating and building the situation in Ukraine for a long time. Openly, in their think-thank produced papers, publications in foreign policy journals, in their speeches to donors.

    Their strategy advocated three things:

    - Use Ukraine as an 'Afghanistan' to 'bog down' and 'neutralize' Russia as a rival.

    - Drive Eu and Russia apart so that Eu would not be buying cheap Russian oil and gas for their industry to remove Eu as an economic competitor

    - And by the above means, sabotage the New Silk Road that China is building to connect Europe with Asia.

    In general, this was just an extension of USA's post 1991 policy of using Eastern Europe as a means to surround Russia and to place anti-missile batteries on its immediate border to be able to shoot down nuclear missiles as they launch during a nuclear war. Which would give the US the first strike capability without Russia being able to retaliate - a very dangerous situation that would give total power to the hands of the military-industry complex in the US.

    For that end, CIA had been always using far right extremists and even Nazis in Eastern Europe to train 'militias' against Soviets during the Cold War, and later, against Russia after 1991. At this point note that neither CIA has any issues using the most sociopathic elements available anywhere, but even the US Senate has no issues assisting them.

    https://theintercept.com/2022/02/18/ukra...-menendez/

    For this end, such elements like Nazis, far right extremists and cooperative were used by the US in 2014 to effect a regime change in Ukraine just a few months after China announced the New Silk Road project in 2014. And neocon warhawk characters like John McCain, Victoria Nulands played the starring roles. Nulands even openly went to the protesters occupying the Maidan square, and she distributed them cookies as a sign of support.

    After the coup, the now-US-friendly regime allowed CIA to do whatever they want whereas they themselves privatized the entire country and sold it to US corporations. The Ukrainian people's average income steeply declined and they were stripped of their public services and amenities - much like what happened to Americans in the US.

    In the following 8 years, CIA kept arming and training Nazis in the south, who openly said that they were going to ethnically cleanse Russian speaking Ukrainians, because they were 'untermensch' and they had to be either killed/eradicated or become enslaved. The actual Nazi ideology, not the anti-immigrant Neonazi stuff.

    Worse, these lot had backing of the CIA and they evolved form a few hundred far-right hooligans to an entire brigade (3000~ soldiers) of Nazi army, complete with their own state-insidide-the-state, with their own Hitlerjugend. Moreover, they started effecting pogroms against gypsies, romanis.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/politi...t-ukraine/

    The Nation article only summarizes it and does not show the details of how a pogrom looks like, less explain its meaning. If you have the stomach, you can google it.

    Worse, they started actually doing the ethnic cleansing they spoke about - they started shelling civilian neighborhoods in the Russian-speaking south, killing ~14,000 people during 8 years.

    Various international measures were taken against this, via OSCE - the security framework in Europe - but Nazis paid no heed to the decisions that their government signed, neither they obeyed the diplomatic resolutions' articles.

    During this time, the Ukrainian government not only kept supplying and arming these Nazis instead of repressing them, but also they integrated them into the Ukrainian army. They were either cooperative with the Nazis, or they had no power over the Nazis.

    This is what happened when the elected (current) Ukrainian president asked the Nazis in the south to have a cease-fire and stop shelling civilians:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/03/ze....html#more

    In a face-to-face confrontation with militants from the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion who had launched a campaign to sabotage the peace initiative called “No to Capitulation,” Zelensky encountered a wall of obstinacy.

    With appeals for disengagement from the frontlines firmly rejected, Zelensky melted downon camera. “I’m the president of this country. I’m 41 years old. I’m not a loser. I came to you and told you: remove the weapons,” Zelensky implored the fighters.
    ...

    Once video of the stormy confrontation spread across Ukrainian social media channels, Zelensky became the target of an angry backlash.

    Quote:In a face-to-face confrontation with militants from the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion who had launched a campaign to sabotage the peace initiative called “No to Capitulation,” Zelensky encountered a wall of obstinacy.

    With appeals for disengagement from the frontlines firmly rejected, Zelensky melted downon camera. “I’m the president of this country. I’m 41 years old. I’m not a loser. I came to you and told you: remove the weapons,” Zelensky implored the fighters.
    ...

    Once video of the stormy confrontation spread across Ukrainian social media channels, Zelensky became the target of an angry backlash.

    Andriy Biletsky, the proudly fascist Azov Battalion leader who once pledged to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade…against Semite-led Untermenschen”, vowed to bring thousands of fighters to Zolote if Zelensky pressed any further. Meanwhile, a parliamentarian from the party of former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko openly fantasized about Zelensky being blown to bits by a militant’s grenade.

    Though Zelensky achieved a minor disengagement, the neo-Nazi paramilitaries escalated their “No Capitulation” campaign. And within months, fighting began to heat up again in Zolote, sparking a new cycle of violations of the Minsk Agreement.

    By this point, Azov had been formally incorporated into the Ukrainian military and its street vigilante wing, known as the National Corps, was deployed across the country under the watch of the Ukrainian Interior Ministry, and alongside the National Police. In December 2021, Zelensky would be seen delivering a “Hero of Ukraine” award to a leader of the fascistic Right Sector in a ceremony in Ukraine’s parliament.

    They openly threatened their own president with blowing them up with a grenade and they did it on public social networks.

    Therefore Ukrainian government was either unwilling, or unable to do anything about them.

    Meanwhile US kept ramping up the project, and started arming Ukraine and preparing it openly for a war against Russia. So much that they also opened 8-9 biological warfare labs in Ukraine which Victoria Nulands openly, bluntly stated to exist in a congressional hearing, despite US corporate media vehemently denying them. If there is one thing about the neocon Victoria Nuland, it is how honest she is when she is facing military-industry complex donors and congressmen/senators.

    All of these were to force Russia to intervene. Russian law requires that Russian government protect the rights of ethnic Russians. Moreover, most of the Russian speaking Ukrainians in the south and east acquired Russian citizenship due to the Russian law that allows ex-Soviet citizens who were alive in 1991 to receive Russian citizenship immediately upon application. Therefore, the situation with Nazis (Azov and assorted ones, all of them) in the south shelling civilian neighborhoods and killing ethnic Russians became a Russian domestic problem - for now Russian citizens were being killed.

    But this still did not make Russia to intervene as the neocons hoped. So, they cranked up to full gear by having their satellite government in Ukraine to apply for NATO membership - Russia's red line.

    I very much suspect the intervention would still not happen if the Nazis in the south stepped back when Russia did some military exercises in the region to send a message. This happened 4-5 times before - the Ukrainian government was about to have the Nazis in the south to subdue the breakaway Russian speaking regions, but after Russia did military exercises around the border, they backed down. This time apparently, Ukrainian government did not rescind the order to overrun the Russian speaking regions. Hence, Russia suddenly intervened after the military exercises. This information may not be accurate since it comes from foreign correspondents who have been following the region for 30+ years, so even if they have long-time contacts within each of these countries' governments and establishments, it is hard to verify the claims.

    However what is impossible to miss is that the US cranked up the gear all the way until Russia intervened.

    The result has been a great success for the US - corporate media created an immense propaganda against Russia to alienate Russia from Europe just like how they made such propaganda in 2003 before Iraq war. This forced the hands of European governments to sanction Russia at the cost of their own economies. Not only many European businesses lost their Russian market, but also Europe was forced to buy expensive open market or American gas and oil instead of cheap Russian one, pushing Europe into a recession:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...rices-soar

    The incessant propaganda mounted not only directly by American corporate media but by their surrogates in the Eu has even created a racist environment in which Russians themselves are targeted. Various private corporate channels in the Eu are doing long-term propaganda even, by constantly putting blonde, blue-eyed children on the TV in the background behind gigantic headlines that say "This cant be forgotten".

    Black, brown kids were not human enough for them to do propaganda against the US as the US killed 1 million of them in Iraq or Afghanistan. But apparently, blonde kids with blue eyes are human enough.

    As a sidenote, this particular TV channel that i am using as an example has an owner who is a dual German & American citizen. And the channel is broadcasting in Spain.

    The propaganda was so strong that it caused a lot of supposedly anti-war segments (even including liberals) to outright ask for world war 3 or signal that they would support that. So much that it forced the US establishment, German government and various proponents of this project to come out and say that that would be nuclear war and they wouldnt do that.

    This level of propaganda was only possible by utterly censoring and shutting out the other side's perspective, of course. A Spanish journalist was arrested in Poland for reporting from the ground that Ukraine didnt seem to be winning the war as the European media claimed, and a Latvian youtuber was arrested by Latvian government on the request of the Eu for presenting the Russian viewpoint and talking about Nazis.

    Meanwhile Ukrainian government constantly lies, not only about the nature of Ukraine and the existence of Nazis, but even the actual happenings themselves and the Western corporate media reports it. So much that when caught and called out for multiple lies that were conveyed by NYT, NYT outright came out and say that yeah, their side was lying, but it was 'okay'.

    https://i.imgur.com/kaUJbYa.jpg

    No different than 2003 Iraq War. Maybe even worse - now they admit that they are lying and but they are saying that it is 'okay'.

    In the process, we also learned that the freedom of speech and democracy thing in the West was a scam - not only metaphorically, but also in actual practice. News media, independent journalists, foreign press that reported the other sides' perspective were arrested or shut down. Even those who questioned the propaganda of the Western side were repressed and persecuted in Europe.

    In the US, private corporations like Google are too busy censoring whatever outlet that the US establishment doesn't like. They are fake news, they are lying. Even as CNN, Fox, NBC et al, who lied about nonexistent Iraqi WMDs for 8 years straight, and who are lying right at this moment stay on their platform.

    Meanwhile the war ramps up, and the Nazis in the south get even more psychopatic as they are surrounded. They use human shields, and they torture and kill civilians for trying to escape from cities - and they openly post those videos on social media to scare people from escaping so that they will stay in cities to be used as human shields. The videos of such incidents are too brutal and intolerable, so I wont post them here. Google at your own risk.

    But one thing comes out as a spiritual lesson - those who negatively polarize have no qualms: Just like how CIA uses the most extreme elements to effect its policies, the elements it uses have no qualms in killing, torturing people to effect fear to get what they want. This is no different from CIA getting guidebooks that taught 'how to kill fleeing villagers to effect most fear in the population' back in 1970 using US taxpayer money. Nothing changed - they were so psychopathic then, they are the same now.

    Another spiritual lesson is that lying, greedy people have no issues with violating any principles they espouse. Total lack of principles and dishonesty comes out as a trait of the negatively polarized even as we see a lot of prominent personas and factions in the US establishment having no qualms about using Nazis and even funding them directly.

    The added scam of 'fundraising' for sending arms to 'Ukraine', a lot of which will go to those Nazis is an added evil - they are literally emotionally manipulating gullible public to support something that they would never support if they were not deceived enough.

    So, this is a case of the biggest evil that plagues this world, the military-industry complex in the US, doing its thing again at the risk of a nuclear war. There is another lesson about negative polarity - if they cant get their way, they have no qualms burning it all down, be it a nuclear war.

    Another additional lesson is that they have no principles and they have no consideration for the world outside them - even as they put Nazis and they are trying to put missiles on the border of a society that they chose as their enemy on their path to world domination, they see themselves entitled to do that. The enemy must just lay down and die. If they don't, its a violation of their self-sense of their power and they react even more harshly.

    However...

    There are some good things happening as a result of this sociopathic act of negative factions.

    In contrast to their plan of having Russia go tits up, this action has caused a multi polar world to be created.

    Russia turned its face towards Asia, Africa and the general global south.

    Russia and China started the CIPS international financial transfer system, breaking the monopoly of the SWIFT. Which was a major tool that the US was using to starve the countries it targeted with sanctions.

    Not only Russia, but also China, India, Pakistan and even Saudi Arabia are now trading in national currencies, ending the dollar's reserve currency hegemony which was used by the military-industry complex for decades to print dollars from the Federal Reserve like a banana republic to spend it on the military. Remember that Federal Reserve has been never audited in its history, and the only audit it received was the limited audit it had when Bernie Sanders forced an audit a few years ago. Aside from that, nobody knows what the Fed is doing. But the economists and foreign policy experts who say that Fed is feeding the US military budget by printing money while exploiting dollar's reserve currency status to avoid inflation seem to have been right.

    Additionally, Russia showed to entire world what happens to private property, 'rule of law', 'free market' and all that when the US just wants - all of them can be violated in a second, entire countries' reserves can be stolen in a day, actual individuals' private property and livelihood can be robbed with just an order. This has proved to entire world that trusting a financial system that is dominated by the US was a bad idea.

    Russia also showed that the US military, leave aside its proxy armies or 'freedom fighter' extremists can be beaten - not only in Syria, but also now in Ukraine. NATO countries are sending their latest equipment to Ukraine, and all of them are getting busted. Including the mercenaries and special forces that they are sending as 'volunteers'. The independent countries can now rely in Russian, Chinese, Indian military equipment and technology to stand against the US and its domination. This relates to Ra's statement about 'forces of freedom' standing up to two strong blocs during the Cold War, if you remember.

    A world of equal, independent countries, cooperating through a communion, a proto-4d society is now possible.

    Who are getting shafted with this are Ukrainian people, Europe, and Americans.

    Europe and US experience runaway inflation for the economic warfare that US is effecting against Russia, whereas Ukrainian people are outright dying in between the war and the actual Nazis.

    Not entire Europe is following US orders, though. France says that none of French businesses left Russia, and they don't see any threat to French businesses or French citizens in Russia. Similarly, Italy, Spain and Greece also follow a moderate line and they don't mirror the Angloamerican warfare that is being effected against Russia.

    Those who are in a war with Russia seem to be Angloamerican countries and Germanic countries, including various Eastern European ones.

    Ironically we also saw the whitewashing of Nazism by these establishments, with their media (including the US) putting Nazi commanders as 'experts' on live TV, saying that 'Far-right defenders' are not so bad etc. From a non-Angloamerican perspective, the propaganda in the media did take the form of an Arian propaganda - blue eyed blonde kids, TV hosts saying that these are people 'like us', they are 'civilized' and Russians are 'mongols' etc. It feels like something that was repressed in Europe after 1945 is coming out, and privately owned, 'free and objective' TV channels seem to be leading it.

    But, as I said, this is still an opportunity for the 4d positive world to make a stride forward. It will be hard for people in the West though - a negative establishment that was created on racial supremacy of the 'white' race hiding behind a thin veil of 'freedom and democracy' would not let go that easily.

    Its uncertain how the people in Europe and US could fight back and take back their countries. I did not expect the establishment to start repressions, censorship this fast and start pulling out the extremist elements it always used for its policies (like Nazis etc) this fast. However it is good that these are being done due to a war that is abroad, rather than being done as a reaction to domestic people's movements that seek to take back their countries. (like how it happened to Occupy Wall Street in the US in 2011).

    These are difficult transition times.

    If you want to follow the news from the other side without censorship, you can use Telegram.

    Russian Ministry of Defense (they do a better job than what CNN did during 2003 Iraq war)

    https://t.me/mod_russia_en

    An indie military-intel channel that broadcasts the war as it happens (more frequent updates, almost everything with video)

    https://t.me/intelslava

    For those who would prefer a less intense source, Counter Punch in the US is always a good one:

    https://counterpunch.org/

    Journalists like Glenn Greenwald are also ok. If you are into foreign policy, then follow Pepe Escobar for Eurasian geopolitics. https://twitter.com/RealPepeEscobar.

    Keep hope. Change is happening. World will change. However, it seems to be going to be turbulent, problematic and like someone who got into knee-deep mud dragging himself/herself slowly out of the mud...
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    RE: The current Ukraine crisis... - by IndigoSalvia - 04-05-2022, 11:53 AM
    Ukraines crisis has reminded me of this very ancient cemetery by the Black Sea - by 3-24-2022 - 04-08-2022, 11:26 PM

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