Suicide and other self-annihilating concepts.

[3D Sunset]

I have only read book 1 of LOO, so thank you for presenting this part. Perhaps I should read more, but I feel Ra presented their main points in the first book, and that has been enough so far to keep my mind busy!

It is a pleasure to be of service. I highly recommend the other four books. To me, Book I was more an introduction that was laden with a lot of transitory material which Don felt was needed to attract an audience. IMHO, the later Books delve into the real substance of the LOO. Additionally, I could only begin to comprehend some of the layers of wisdom contained in the books after multiple readings of all. It's interesting that throughout my life, I've enjoyed many books, but never read the same book twice until I found the LOO. To date, I've probably read each book at least a dozen times, with some (books two and four in particular) over twenty I'm sure.

Please note however, that when you placed limitations on yourself for the optimal learning/teaching and servitude in this life, it's possible that one can place an inclination/tendency of suicidal behaviour to explore this concept further. Although we all experience death, and 'live to die' and have suicidal thoughts, there is always the possibility of having this more than the 'average' person.

I agree completely. As a matter of fact, I would expect (inference on my part) that having committed suicide, then this inclination is a necessary part of the lessons that one brings into the next incarnation.

I did not intend to imply that I see any inherent issue with entertaining suicidal thoughts. I see them as powerful catalysts, and ones that can be exceedingly seductive at times. I think that to appropriately consider, embrace and process these catalysts can provide some of the most powerful possible increases in polarization. For to choose to remain and embrace (or alternatively, to control) life's issues can be an amazing commitment to service to others (or alternatively, to self).

Also, having a fully negative experience (for example ending in suicide, and utter despair) in this place, could be a massive catalyst for gratitude. We often remember our appreciation of things more when they've been removed from us.
Imagine the feeling of returning to a place of love, after you've had a lifetime of pure negativity. And the memory such a return would imprint! Not easily forgotten!

To address this point, the discussion could easily become a little esoteric in the minutiae of the LOO, which I'm glad to do if you'd like to hear my rationale for this position, but otherwise suffice it say that my understanding of the LOO is that catalyst can only be experienced and processed by an entity during incarnation (or in space/time), not after death (or in time/space). As such, the catalyst is only usable during your life, not after it (whether it ended by suicide or any other means). So no, my understanding is that the opportunity to process such a catalyst after death does not exist, and any potential catalyst of gratitude would be wasted.

As for my own suicide, it does seem like it achieved nothing really. The idea of karma does not resonate with me, however. Also that which I outlined above may contradict the matter of that you receive a karmic bond on 'meaningless' suicides

I wasn't crazy about using the term "karmic bond" because it is easily misunderstood and doesn't exactly capture what I intended, but it was convenient and came close to expressing the concept I wanted. Please read that term as the same as Ra's words "the making of a dedication to the third-density for the renewed opportunity of learning the lessons set by the higher self."

[Side note. My list of reasons for suicide that may not have associated "karmic bonds" was not intended to be exhaustive. I am certain that there are an infinite number of such reasons in this vast and intricate universe. I am, but a humble student of the Law of One. I do not claim to be thorough or even remotely accurate in my grasp of some of these concepts. What I share are my perspectives and opinions, they hold absolutely no value beyond that.]

As I stated earlier, I do not believe that suicide can serve a purpose that aids in the soul's evolution outside of incarnation, because as I understand it, the soul only evolves as part of a space/time incarnated mind/body/spirit. Again, this is based upon my study of the Law of One, and some number of conclusions I've drawn after considering the meaning and significance of several passages.

Regardless, I stand behind my assertion that whether or not a suicide necessitates another 3D incarnation, is more a function of the intent behind the action, than the act itself. If the intention is avoidance, then I'm confident that another incarnation will be required. If the intention is service, then it probably will not. To your remembered prior suicide, it appears that, although the intent may not have been avoidance, it does seem to have been the result. Thus, you probably remembered that experience in order to keep it from recurring, and thus avoiding your intended lessons yet again. Am I incorrect in guessing that this prior life vision occurred in conjunction with a more than fleeting consideration of the topic of this thread?

... and such an experience might be in turn a martyrdom to remind friends higher up of how things can be.

I'm not sure what you mean by this... please elaborate.

Etc... can bend your head around this matter forever

Quite true my friend, quite true. All is well though, nevertheless.

Love and Light,

3D Sunset