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    11-12-2011, 04:28 PM
    (11-12-2011, 11:48 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:
    (11-08-2011, 12:38 AM)zenmaster Wrote: No, it doesn't make your path unusual. You may want to look at Spiral Dynamics. We move through the subdensities in a spiral, but in cross-section it's a linear manner - and this linear progression is not necessarily in the scope of an individual lifetime.

    Well then so long as people are made aware that what appears to be "linear" is simply a cross-section of a spiral, then that would make sense to me.
    You may want to read about it sometime.

    (11-12-2011, 11:48 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I see too many systems that try to force everybody through the same linear path. Everything from the chakras opening (my chakras have clearly been opening in "reverse" order from what is commonly taught) to mathematics (why does one need to learn algebra before calculus?).
    Prerequisites exist to provide free-will choices. Progression is part of the learning process. People are "at" different stages of development based on learning needs.

    (11-12-2011, 11:48 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Bottom line is... pretty much anybody who authors a "system" of some sort almost immediately goes into the mode of defending said "system" from attackers, and digging their heels in deeper until it becomes dogma, and until their entire personage is defined by this "system" that they came up with.
    In the SD system, dogma is learnt as part of 'blue' conformist ideologies - it usually has its support in religion with promise of transcendence and reward to the faithful.

    (11-12-2011, 11:48 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Then of course, there is the inevitable person(s) who comes along and "creates" the anti-system. With all the attendant sophistry and attention-seeking behavior that goes along with "playing devil's advocate" and arguing for argumentation's sake and to be "clever" rather than for the sake of truth. Such individuals just can't seem to see the irony of forwarding their demi-urgic "creations" which are largely devoid of any true creativity. Such "anti-systems" are wholly based upon saying the opposite of something offered by a genuine author, and contain little to no original thought.
    There either is no original thought, or all thought is original. Truly. There are naturally just as many approaches with products are 'pearls' as there are anti-system approaches with products of projection.

    (11-12-2011, 11:48 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Personally, I have worked on creating many such "systems" in the past. Generally, I find that about two-thirds of the way through, a new and improved system comes into my mind that makes the one I was just working on obsolete. So in my view, creating a system is a great exercise, but hardly something that I would want to stand behind with the whole of my being and declare that this is "Who I Am" and "What Is So".
    That's called 'identification' in the West and 'attachment' in the East, which is the basis for survival-oriented consciousness. It is important in its own scope, and, as you are learning, no so important in another scope.

    (11-12-2011, 11:48 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Hence you will find no books, book series, scientific papers, tapes and DVDs, feature length films, talk show appearances, syndicated content, T-shirts and buttons, retreat cruises, patents, copyrights, etc., under my authorship. I just don't have the time to get anything like that out as I am already on to the next thing. Ironically, the lack of said authorship appears to be a stumbling block in many people's minds as to the credibility of my words.
    Perhaps, perhaps not. On an individual basis, people can recognize credibility through commonality of experience. The more well-trodden paths can be a shared foundation for exploring something more novel.

    (11-12-2011, 11:48 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Again, stepping stones are fine so long as they are marked as stepping stones and not each as "The Destination".
    The marking of the stones is something an individual learns for themself. It's obviously counter productive to annotate relatives vs absolutes with regard to declarations, and the more discerning reader can always do this for themself - which is infinitely more desirable.

    (11-12-2011, 11:48 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:
    zenmaster Wrote:Most people are 'passing through' green vmeme all of the time, as it has a basis in archetype - it's a 'vibration' which is identified by values.

    I really struggle with accepting this. I honestly don't see this kind of attitude as normal or necessary. I see it as a carefully constructed manipulation tactic engineered to keep humans from truly connecting with one another.
    It is a person's perrogative to engineer their own wedges from 'truly' connecting with one another. The SD system is obviously not such a wedge - it was designed to recognize the value of needs and connect. http://www.soulscode.com/spiral-dynamics...explained/

    (11-12-2011, 11:48 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: At least the global elitist bankers are open and honest about their control tactics and desire to rule the world. Many "spiritual" people like to disguise their controlling behaviors as "love and light" and to use their "spirituality" as a defense mechanism against acknowledging the existence of negative things and people in the world.
    If it's true disguise, that's what Ra referred to as a negative polarizing attitude. Because in order to disguise, there has to be acknowledgement. In order to not apply honesty to that acknowledgement, there has to be repression. There is great potential being done through such clever working.

    (11-12-2011, 11:48 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: In particular, the vGreen memers like to deny the existence of global elitist bankers that are plotting to rule the world. So that works out quite conveniently for the global elitist bankers.
    Actually the green vmemers are the very ones pointing it out with such fervor. They see healthy vs pathological behavior with respect to green (where they are still learning the scope and propriety of egalitarianism). Unfortunately their ideology is strongly colored with a rather 'absolute', universal, idea of valueless relativism/pluralism, so this is what they unconsciously reference with no solutions (which would require valuing).

    (11-12-2011, 11:48 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:
    Quote:hence the narcissism of the 'progressives'.
    You mean the 'boomers'?
    Not just boomers, any 'post-modern' ethical platform which is blind to people's valuing needs.

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