(11-16-2011, 10:19 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(11-16-2011, 09:42 PM)yossarian Wrote: Life isn't fair, creation isn't fair, none of it is fair.Life, creation, all of it is 100% fair and fool-proof. Circumstantial comparisons and the imagination allow it to be seen as unfair, where "unfair" = "what I think I don't want vs what I think should be".
If you stop using conventional word definitions and understandings, it's possible to argue anything.
Humans consider it unfair when one person is born to poverty while another is born to wealth. This is a human definition, this is widely regarded as unfair by humans, therefore from our perspective unfairness exists.
From the ultimate perspective everything looks fair, but that ultimate perspective does not answer the human question about unfairness.
Basically I think you're context switching with this comment. Context switching can cause a lot of confusion and appear antagonistic. Of course, Zen masters don't mind causing confusion.
(11-16-2011, 10:18 PM)turtledude23 Wrote:(11-16-2011, 09:42 PM)yossarian Wrote: Fairness is a human concept, not a metaphysical principle, not a law of creation.
Life isn't fair, creation isn't fair, none of it is fair. People get what they ask for. It is hard to see how people would choose suffering, and yet this is precisely what they do. The very fact that it is possible that people in the midst of suffering cannot see that they chose the suffering is a kind of ultimately mystery of our nature, our nature as creators, our nature as One Infinite Creator.
But you don't know that for sure, maybe they don't ask for it. And asking for something before incarnation without the veil, or "asking" for something unconsciously, is not the same thing as consciously wanting something.
It's just a fact of reality that our unconscious runs the show. The conscious mind is a tiny little fleck that is really just along for the ride.
You can started shedding light on the unconscious, making it conscious, and then you start to see how you have been choosing your life.