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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Strictly Law of One Material Archetypes of Mind, Body, & Spirit The Choice

    Thread: The Choice


    Tenet Nosce (Offline)

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    05-28-2012, 11:16 AM (This post was last modified: 05-28-2012, 01:48 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
    (05-27-2012, 12:07 PM)JustLikeYou Wrote: 7.15
    Ra Wrote:service to others results in service to self

    11.31
    Ra Wrote:To serve the self is to serve all.

    7.17
    Ra Wrote:The distortion lies in the fact that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve other is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.

    Therefore, I would redraw the diagram as follows: The greater circle would be titled "Service to All". Within this greater circle there would be two lesser circles titled "Service to Self" and "Service to Others". These circles would not overlap. It should not be thought that the absence of overlap means that an STO entity never engages in STS actions and vice-versa. We know that absolute purity is not the goal of walking either path. Rather, the purpose of the absence of overlap is to depict that a choice must be made between two paths, and in making this choice, one path must be abandoned.

    So then, according to your understanding and belief, it is impossible to take an action which is both "STO" and "STS" simultaneously?

    I can acknowledge how the quotes you provided could appear to support the depiction you offered. However, according to my read, they actually directly contradict that particular depiction.

    Quote:Then, in 6D, we graduate beyond the two smaller circles into the larger circle of Service to All, which includes both.

    There is nothing prohibiting us from working on fourth, fifth, or sixth density lessons while incarnated in 3D. We will have been employed in "Service to All" during our entire sojourn throughout the densities. The only difference is that, in the lower densities, we are often unconscious of this fact. But this distortion is not in any case necessary.

    I would concur that in 6D we graduate beyond the two circles (however they might be configured). However, we do not acquire Choice until we graduate beyond this octave, thus eliminating the need to incarnate within a Logos, having ourselves become Logoi. At this point, we can say, thanks for the Archetypes, but I'm off to do something totally different now.

    Quote:Here, Ra equates polarizing to choosing in response to a question about the archetype The Choice. Therefore, we may conclude that the choice which leads to polarizing is the same as the choice named in the archetype. As can be seen from the context of Ra's reference to the "polarity gained," this refers to the choice between STO and STS.

    And yes, the choosing does occur between the two possible paths, however, to choose a path is to steadily more toward one and away from the other. This is what it means to polarize.

    Therefore, I conclude that the moment to moment choice of STO or STS is The Choice in microcosm, while the story of 3D as a whole is The Choice in macrocosm.

    You are begging the question. There is an agreement with distortions present in the query which is being projected into the reply. These distortions are continually presented throughout the body of the material, and in many cases one can see how Ra's attempt to minimize the distortions, actually worked to reinforce them in the mind of the Questioner, and indeed in the reader.

    Case in point- look at the previous query where Ra clearly attempts to correct the distortion in the query, and yet the distortion persists into the next query, and beyond into the following one.

    Quote:77.15 Questioner: The specific question that I had was that it seems to me that the choice was planned to create intense polarization past third density so that experience would be intense past third density. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. Given that our interpretation of your sound vibration complexes is appropriate, this is incorrect. The intensity of fourth density is that of the refining of the rough-hewn sculpture. This is, indeed, in its own way, quite intense causing the mind/body/spirit complex to move ever inward and onward in its quest for fuller expression. However, in third density the statue is forged in the fire. This is a type of intensity which is not the property of fourth, fifth, sixth, or seventh densities.

    Let's try a different angle. Where in the image of the card do you see a choice between STS and STO being depicted?
    [Image: tarot22.jpg]

    Further quotes for your consideration:

    93.3 Wrote:Questioner: Thank you. You have stated previously that the foundation of our present illusion is the concept of polarity. I would like to ask, since we [those of L/L Research] have defined the two polarities as service to others and service to self, is there a more complete or eloquent or enlightening definition of these polarities or any more information that we don’t have at this time that you could give on the two ends of the poles that would give us a better insight into the nature of polarity itself?

    Ra: I am Ra. It is unlikely that there is a more pithy or eloquent description of the polarities of third density than service to others and service to self due to the nature of the mind/body/spirit complexes’ distortions [those of L/L Research] towards perceiving concepts relating to philosophy in terms of ethics or activity. However, we [those of Ra] might consider the polarities using slightly variant terms. In this way a possible enrichment of insight might be achieved for some.

    One might consider the polarities with the literal nature enjoyed by the physical polarity of the magnet. The negative and positive, with their electrical characteristics, may be seen to be just as in the physical sense. It is to be noted in this context that it is quite impossible to judge the polarity of an act or an entity, just as it is impossible to judge the relative goodness of the negative and positive poles of the magnet.

    If one is attempting to judge the polarity of their actions, or to take action based upon a prejudice of what is "STS" or "STO", they are attempting the impossible. We are inside the magnet, and thus relative any particular point, the molecules to one side are "polarized positively" and to the other side "polarized negatively." In consideration of the magnet taken as a whole, there is no polarity.

    [ALSO NOTE: Here in Session 93, a full six months and 18 sessions later into the material, the same distortion persists in the queries.]

    91.36 Wrote:Questioner: How is the knowledge of the facets of the archetypical mind used by the individual to accelerate his evolution?

    Ra: I am Ra. We shall offer an example based upon this first explored archetype or concept complex. The conscious mind of the adept may be full to bursting of the most abstruse and unmanageable of ideas, so that further ideation becomes impossible and work in blue ray or indigo is blocked through over-activation. It is then that the adept would call upon the new mind, untouched and virgin, and dwell within the archetype of the new and unblemished mind without bias, without polarity, full of the magic of the Logos.

    The goal of placing training wheels upon one's bicycle is to grow beyond the necessity of training wheels. Perhaps even to realize that the training wheels were never necessary in the first place. One could have simply hopped upon the bicycle and started pedaling, having faith in the laws of physics to keep the bicycle upright while in motion.

    An entity, upon achieving contact with intelligent infinity, may harvest themselves at any point in the cycle. This is akin to the realization that, "Oh right, I have projected myself into this magnet, and therefore I may withdraw my projection at any time." Now THAT is Choice.
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