Forgiveness: What about it?

[Minyatur]

I don't see how anyone has the power to forgive another. Ultimately it'll fill your own heart with love and they will cary their path as another version of you with their own lessons to learn, in their own unique pathway to the source to inevitably reach back to it, which can be possibly faster than you or not.

[Jeremy]

I don't see how anyone has the power to forgive another. Ultimately it'll fill your own heart with love and they will cary their path as another version of you with their own lessons to learn, in their own unique pathway to the source to inevitably reach back to it, which can be possibly faster than you or not.

You must not understand the power of true forgiveness then. To be in a situation where you have been used or manipulated or hurt in such a way,  life is turned upside down, one doesn't know where or how to even begin to make sense of it. To have such a maelstrom of thoughts running about as to the why's and how's of how someone that one cared so much for can do such things. Yet when such events occurred to me and my only thought was to meditate and to go through one of the most intense meditations that I have ever experienced which ended in me verbally forgiving everyone from the person that inflicted such pain to my biological father whom I  had never met,  the energy that I had felt from this experience is as fresh as it happening today even though it happened 3 years ago.  

I was on a literal high for 2 days following this event and I truly believe that it was a lesson that I was intended to learn within this incarnation. 

[Minyatur]

I don't see how anyone has the power to forgive another. Ultimately it'll fill your own heart with love and they will cary their path as another version of you with their own lessons to learn, in their own unique pathway to the source to inevitably reach back to it, which can be possibly faster than you or not.

You must not understand the power of true forgiveness then. To be in a situation where you have been used or manipulated or hurt in such a way,  life is turned upside down, one doesn't know where or how to even begin to make sense of it. To have such a maelstrom of thoughts running about as to the why's and how's of how someone that one cared so much for can do such things. Yet when such events occurred to me and my only thought was to meditate and to go through one of the most intense meditations that I have ever experienced which ended in me verbally forgiving everyone from the person that inflicted such pain to my biological father whom I  had never met,  the energy that I had felt from this experience is as fresh as it happening today even though it happened 3 years ago.  

I was on a literal high for 2 days following this event and I truly believe that it was a lesson that I was intended to learn within this incarnation. 

Well I never felt there was something others needed my forgiveness for. I also never understood why others would apologize for things they do.

In my view to not forgive is to not seek to understand. But well there are many who do not wish to be understood, so in a way not forgiving sometimes is giving exactly what the person wants. Whereas being too much focused on understanding without getting emotionally involved in things, seem to drive some crazy more than help them.

I'm not a fan of blanket forgiveness either, if one does not understand then there's no point in trying to give another that doesn't wish to be understood a focus. But then again, a service of Love even when rejected remains a service and will be remembered at the right time when needed.

[Enyiah]

 

I am still wondering where some of you saw 'anger, resentfulness, bitterness in my post?! as I make a conscious effort to cultivate an attitude of acceptance and of non-resistance. The query is pertaining to the appropriateness of 'forgiveness' with regard to the situation of STS 1% behaviour in our world.

I am mostly interested in learning HOW/why we are creating/maintaining/enabling this 3D manifestation in the first place!  And what can we do to help raise the vibration of this planet.
I agree that all negative manifestation/emotion is something to be transcended. The world situation can be improved first through greater Awareness.

On another note, there was a time when I held the all-inclusive, unconditional love within my conscious awareness and applied it to everything within my experience.  This 'mindset exposed me to abuse and a form of exploitation that left me in dire straits for a very long time.. I have been led to believe
that this attitude/mindset can be used as implied 'consent' ( I could be mistaken) to those with an STS mindset. It certainly makes one an easier target to be taken advantage of.  I am very careful and protective of giving away my 'energy' away for this reason. 

I am deeply grateful for everyone's contribution to this discussion.  

[Stranger]

 On another note, there was a time when I held the all-inclusive, unconditional love within my conscious awareness and applied it to everything within my experience.  This 'mindset exposed me to abuse and a form of exploitation that left me in dire straits for a very long time.. I have been led to believe
that this attitude/mindset can be used as implied 'consent' ( I could be mistaken) to those with an STS mindset. It certainly makes one an easier target to be taken advantage of.  I am very careful and protective of giving away my 'energy' away for this reason. 

Not being aware of the details and circumstances of the experience you allude to, I would only offer that the attitude of unconditional love and acceptance needs to be balanced by an equal amount of discernment.  To quote Jesus, "be as wise as serpents, as innocent as doves."  Loving and accepting someone does not imply letting them walk all over you - or someone else for that matter.

[Minyatur]

I am still wondering where some of you saw 'anger, resentfulness, bitterness in my post?! as I make a conscious effort to cultivate an attitude of acceptance and of non-resistance. The query is pertaining to the appropriateness of 'forgiveness' with regard to the situation of STS 1% behaviour in our world.

Well the opposite of to forgive, is to condemn.

I am mostly interested in learning HOW/why we are creating/maintaining/enabling this 3D manifestation in the first place!  And what can we do to help raise the vibration of this planet.

Well I guess because souls do incarnate here nevertheless and their free will is being respected to carry on their experience of this place. If no soul was consonant with this place, then it'd be an empty floating ball in space.

I agree that all negative manifestation/emotion is something to be transcended. The world situation can be improved first through greater Awareness.

On another note, there was a time when I held the all-inclusive, unconditional love within my conscious awareness and applied it to everything within my experience.  This 'mindset exposed me to abuse and a form of exploitation that left me in dire straits for a very long time.. I have been led to believe
that this attitude/mindset can be used as implied 'consent' ( I could be mistaken) to those with an STS mindset. It certainly makes one an easier target to be taken advantage of.  I am very careful and protective of giving away my 'energy' away for this reason. 

I am deeply grateful for everyone's contribution to this discussion.  

I think being STO can be expressed in many ways. Ultimately it simply need to feel right to you and you alone, you need to have faith that you are loving in your ways. Rejection can be done for the good of others and self does not have to be a martyr either for others.

I am sorry to hear about your hardships, but I do somehow believe they were not for naught. I do not believe encounters and meetings are random. I see everything as fated and meetings occur due to "gravity" between souls, which brings together those who need to meet for a bi-directional service to each other. I've understood events in my life to have happened solely for certain meetings to happen. The entanglement can last a lifetime or just a short period of it, we meet and part and meet and part in the eternal spiral of consciousness.

[Enyiah]

I was questioning the nature of forgiveness as an applicable concept where it was stated in a channeled message that was asking for us to 'forgive' these cabal 1% for their creations,
The act of being 'forgiving' is taken as a form of 'consent' by them. And that results in taking our power away. 

I have therefore concluded that the situation requires Awareness, not forgiveness, in order to be transcended. 

Elros Tar-Minyatur:
Well the opposite of to forgive, is to condemn.

The idea of 'condemnation' resides in your own mind, not mine -  I just don't need the 'service' they are providing any longer!

If I may take the analogy of my personal experiment of bathing everything with unconditional love and its resulting consequences, the catalyst from this 'STS' railroading afforded me this amazing gift! It is a quality of awareness I could have probably never achieved otherwise.

Thanks again.

[caycegal]

Is there such a thing as 'blind' forgiveness?  Does it depend on your perspective, your perception of reality?
Take for example what is going on in the world at this moment. The 1% of STS are purposely poisoning the air,food we breathe/eat. They stir up strife all over the world with a mindset of 'divide and conquer' and the list can go on and on. Their Agenda is known by now. How would you react if I said, 'forgive them'. Would you think it is important to do so or not? Do you think 'forgiveness' would be helpful or wasted in the situation as it stands in this present moment in history/time.
 I would like to explore the qualities of 'forgiveness' applicable to the World situation as we know it. There must be a way to be at peace without condoning the  questionable behaviours of the 1%.  I know the answer lies in higher consciousness but it doesn't solve the problems created by lower conscious states.   Is there any reconciliation possible between the two?  The only way possible begins with accountability! 
Higher consciousness/awareness is moving to correct the situations which no longer serve for the good of humanity.

I do not feel resentful, angry, fearful about the situation as it is what it is. Yet, 'blind/blanket forgiveness' is not the energy I want to offer to this combination of circumstance. Your thoughts on this subject are appreciated.

My perspective is this, Enyiah: I look at those whom are polarized negatively the same way I do the animal kingdom.  Not in the sense that I think they are so unscrupulous they might as well be animals in some degrading sense.  It's not like that, and I don't see animals as lesser anyhow (they are different than us, but not lesser) so that wouldn't make sense.  But I accept them the same way I do the animal kingdom in the fact that in the animal kingdom there are a multitude of needs/wants and beings going about attempting to satisfy them.

For example, say you come across a grizzly out hiking in the forest (this is the first analogy that comes to mind to me, because I spend an inordinate amount of time in the woods).  A grizzly bear can be extremely aggressive.  It might even try to kill you.  Is there any sense being mad about its behavior?  It is simply doing that which is in its nature to do.  Does that mean you let it do that which is in its nature to do (say, for example: kill and eat you)?  No.  You take defensive precautions (for example: I keep bear spray on me at all times when I'm hiking).

The negatively polarized are just smarter bears.  They are simply doing that which is in their nature to do, as service to self entities.  I neither condone, nor condemn their activities.  It is what it is.  And my nature is what it is.  So when faced with opposing desires such as the desire to serve the whole, or the desire to serve the elite, it is no different.  Each does what is in their nature to do, and there is no reconciliation between the two in the 3rd density plane of existence (until a planet is fully harvested either 4D positive or 4D negative).  Thus, they each reject what the other is offering.  Rejection of what the STS offers depolarizes STO slightly.  Acceptance of the STO refusal to be controlled depolarizes STS slightly.  This is the game of potentials of 3rd density.

So in terms of forgiveness of them it is simply not required on my part because I don't hold anything against them.  Well, that is the ideal.  Personally, obviously, it is a lot more challenging to maintain this kind of objectivity when these proverbial smarter bears are making my personal life difficult, but that is the nature of day to day catalyst and personal balancing.   

Interesting.  Thanks.  I'm going to let this perspective percolate for a while inside me and see if it helps me understand more.

[Monica]

Forgiveness doesn't mean accepting the offer of service from STS entities.

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[Enyiah]

Forgiveness doesn't mean accepting the offer of service from STS entities.

I do realize this, so I would ask you to please elaborate on your idea. 

Personally there is only so much I can say in so many words.  Ever since I can remember I have walked my Life by learning and integrating spiritual rules and knowledge.  It is from this premise that the Idea of bathing all my experience with unconditional love came about.  That does NOT mean I let people walk all over me!  I know it sounds that way, unfortunately there is not enough space and time to go into all the intricate details of why I don't think it is so.
I have only been exposed to Ra material for a short period of time, and I never take what I read at face value unless it resonates with me on a very deep level. I try too see the value it has for me in my own personal walk.
I realize that many people here have a wider knowledge base of the material, so I can't dispute that.  But to be honest it feels like you are getting ahead of yourselves in many ways, sort of looks like you're on the outskirts looking in while the world is going to hell.  No worries, all is well you say. 
If you say so and you are feeling at peace with that thought, well, so it is for you.  

I do not want to attract any onslaught because my writing seems offensive to whomever may perceive it that way.  I certainly hold no judgment of anyone here and come from a place of humility.  Are we not all here to learn from one another?

[Nicholas]

 Yet when such events occurred to me and my only thought was to meditate and to go through one of the most intense meditations that I have ever experienced which ended in me verbally forgiving everyone from the person that inflicted such pain to my biological father whom I  had never met,  the energy that I had felt from this experience is as fresh as it happening today even though it happened 3 years ago.  

I was on a literal high for 2 days following this event and I truly believe that it was a lesson that I was intended to learn within this incarnation. 

This is extremely similar to my own process of finding forgiveness. Although I chose to get really high (really often) on drugs as a means of coping. The similarity lies in my biological father never being present in my life. I felt abandoned because my mum could never understand me the way my dad would have, had he been there.

I hit a point of collapse and quit drugs overnight, and literally begged for help. That help arrived in the realisation that I was blaming everything on external events rather than looking at my own thinking/feeling habits. The experience of forgiving others trumped the many drug influenced elevations I had had prior to that. Probably because there was no come down, I was forever transformed.

[Monica]

I do realize this, so I would ask you to please elaborate on your idea. 

I just posted this earlier today in another thread. I think it applies here also:

14.20 Questioner: And you ready yourselves for harvest through [the] best service you can provide. Is this correct?
Ra: This is correct. We offer the Law of One, the solving of paradoxes, the balancing of love/light and light/love.

67.11 Questioner: Then how could we solve this paradox?
Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that you have no ability not to serve the Creator since all is the Creator. In your individual growth patterns appear the basic third-density choice. Further, there are overlaid memories of the positive polarizations of your home density. Thus your particular orientation is strongly polarized towards service to others and has attained wisdom as well as compassion.

You do not have merely two opposite requests for service. You will find an infinite array of contradictory requests for information or lack of information from this source if you listen carefully to those whose voices you may hear. This is all one voice to which you resonate upon a certain frequency. This frequency determines your choice of service to the One Creator. As it happens this group’s vibratory patterns and those of Ra are compatible and enable us to speak through this instrument with your support. This is a function of free will.

A portion, seemingly, of the Creator rejoices at your choice to question us regarding the evolution of spirit. A seemingly separate portion would wish for multitudinous answers to a great range of queries of a specific nature. Another seemingly separate group of your peoples would wish this correspondence through this instrument to cease, feeling it to be of a negative nature. Upon the many other planes of existence there are those whose every fiber rejoices at your service and those such as the entity of whom you have been speaking which wish only to terminate the life upon the third-density plane of this instrument. All are the Creator. There is one vast panoply of biases and distortions, colors and hues, in an unending pattern. In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well. No more than this can you do for your portion of the Creator is as it is and your experience and offering of experience, to be valuable, needs be more and more a perfect representation of who you truly are. Could you, then, serve a negative entity by offering the instrument’s life? It is unlikely that you would find this a true service. Thus you may see in many cases the loving balance being achieved, the love being offered, light being sent, and the service of the service-to-self oriented entity gratefully acknowledged while being rejected as not being useful in your journey at this time. Thus you serve One Creator without paradox.

Forgiveness is a rather complex topic, but in a nutshell I'd say it's choosing to have compassion and wish love/light/peace/joy towards those with whom we've had conflicts, even if they've deeply hurt us...especially if they've deeply hurt us. It is pouring water over a raging blaze, instead of fighting fire with fire with continued resentment/hate/bitterness. We might still feel hurt. It might still take us a while to heal. And we certainly must protect ourselves from further hurt. But we can simultaneously do all those things.

A victim can simultaneously choose to leave the abuser, and forgive them. Forgiveness does NOT mean continuing to allow the abuse! Acceptance doesn't mean that either (though it is commonly misinterpreted, in my opinion).

According to Ra, forgiveness breaks the cycle of karma.

Ever since I can remember I have walked my Life by learning and integrating spiritual rules and knowledge.  It is from this premise that the Idea of bathing all my experience with unconditional love came about.

That sounds like a wonderful way to live!

That does NOT mean I let people walk all over me!

Absolutely agree!

I never take what I read at face value unless it resonates with me on a very deep level. I try too see the value it has for me in my own personal walk.

That is wise!

I realize that many people here have a wider knowledge base of the material, so I can't dispute that.  But to be honest it feels like you are getting ahead of yourselves in many ways, sort of looks like you're on the outskirts looking in while the world is going to hell. 

Yes, I've noticed that too. Please know that Not everyone here has the 'anything goes' attitude.

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[caycegal]

Forgiveness doesn't mean accepting the offer of service from STS entities.

I do realize this, so I would ask you to please elaborate on your idea. 

Personally there is only so much I can say in so many words.  Ever since I can remember I have walked my Life by learning and integrating spiritual rules and knowledge.  It is from this premise that the Idea of bathing all my experience with unconditional love came about.  That does NOT mean I let people walk all over me!  I know it sounds that way, unfortunately there is not enough space and time to go into all the intricate details of why I don't think it is so.
I have only been exposed to Ra material for a short period of time, and I never take what I read at face value unless it resonates with me on a very deep level. I try too see the value it has for me in my own personal walk.
I realize that many people here have a wider knowledge base of the material, so I can't dispute that.  But to be honest it feels like you are getting ahead of yourselves in many ways, sort of looks like you're on the outskirts looking in while the world is going to hell.  No worries, all is well you say. 
If you say so and you are feeling at peace with that thought, well, so it is for you.  

I do not want to attract any onslaught because my writing seems offensive to whomever may perceive it that way.  I certainly hold no judgment of anyone here and come from a place of humility.  Are we not all here to learn from one another?

On behalf of everyone here I apologize.  Not being sarcastic or snarky.  I totally agree with what you posted and I feel much the same way.  I've discovered this material appeals to people who are, shall we say, distorted toward the rational or logical, and there is a lot of judgement and advice and arguing that goes on here.  I stay because I still get a lot from much of the posting and I appreciate and resonate with much of the Law of One material.  It's really helped me make some sense of my life in the past few years.  Also I sense that most of the people here are genuine seekers no matter how much they may get caught up in judgment, advice giving and argument.  I, myself, can get caught up in those things, not having achieved the level of acceptance I aspire to.  So hang around if you want to and you can help raise the vibration. 

[Enyiah]

Monica, thank-you for your gracious response as it unquestionably confirms the 'gist' of all the feedback I have already received at this point.

Is it possible that the seeming confusion about how a point comes across resides not necessarily in the 'anything goes attitude' of the poster, but from which perspective he is using to bring about his/her point?


With that in mind, there is no need to apologize (caycegal) on behalf of others, as everyone has been polite and respectful to me. I value the time taken to respond.


At this critical time in the history of the world and with the issues we face in this game, I find it is important for the 99% to Stand-Up, Wake-Up and take our Power back from the 1% who have run-the-show until NOW.
Does that entail 'forgiveness'? Probably, but I want to be very clear that the 'forgiveness I will be giving will not be used by them as permission to continue the behavior which is not serving the good of humanity. Their time is Over – we have overcome! The Harvest is NOW.