Feminism is about a 5 year old, thought.

[Merrick]

extreme distortions you’re trying to dispel. I mean, women being cops is against natural law?? How does one even respond to such a notion?

I never said that women cops are against natures law, please dont distort.

I said that asking male cops to be able to lift their bike back up if they fall and asking female cops NOT to be able to do that as they dont have the strength is harmful to the community as it puts female bike cops at a significant advantage and supporting lower levels of physical requirement based on sex is what ever you would like to call. But if you feel like you want to thank her for defending against that opinion that is clearly in your right to do so, but please, dont put words in my mouth, i have nothing against female motocycle cops, but they must be demanded to the same standard as men for the good of the community.

In short, please dont put words in my mouth, thank you.

I wasn’t referring to your post, I was referring to speedforce.

Your original comment was that this motorcycle thing was an example of matriarchy, which is incorrect. Matriarchy is a society organized to benefit women. That one example of an accommodation for bike cops is not matriarchy.

[Cyan]

extreme distortions you’re trying to dispel. I mean, women being cops is against natural law?? How does one even respond to such a notion?

I never said that women cops are against natures law, please dont distort.

I said that asking male cops to be able to lift their bike back up if they fall and asking female cops NOT to be able to do that as they dont have the strength is harmful to the community as it puts female bike cops at a significant advantage and supporting lower levels of physical requirement based on sex is what ever you would like to call. But if you feel like you want to thank her for defending against that opinion that is clearly in your right to do so, but please, dont put words in my mouth, i have nothing against female motocycle cops, but they must be demanded to the same standard as men for the good of the community.

In short, please dont put words in my mouth, thank you.

I wasn’t referring to your post, I was referring to speedforce.

Your original comment was that this motorcycle thing was an example of matriarchy, which is incorrect. Matriarchy is a society organized to benefit women. That one example of an accommodation for bike cops is not matriarchy.

Oh, thought it was at me, sorry about that. But i would just say that matriarchy like patriarchy is built on small concessions building to large injustices, the way I see this is that this is evil form of matriarchy being downplayed by those that benefit for it like you see patriarchy being downplayed by those that benefit from it.

That being said, we're free to our opinions and ill continue to believe both matriarchy and patriarchy are evenly spread out over the planet and we need to eventually let go of both edges and first step to that is to emancipate the children. So well probably not see eye to eye on this for a long time.

Love and toodles, take care.

[Merrick]

extreme distortions you’re trying to dispel. I mean, women being cops is against natural law?? How does one even respond to such a notion?

I never said that women cops are against natures law, please dont distort.

I said that asking male cops to be able to lift their bike back up if they fall and asking female cops NOT to be able to do that as they dont have the strength is harmful to the community as it puts female bike cops at a significant advantage and supporting lower levels of physical requirement based on sex is what ever you would like to call. But if you feel like you want to thank her for defending against that opinion that is clearly in your right to do so, but please, dont put words in my mouth, i have nothing against female motocycle cops, but they must be demanded to the same standard as men for the good of the community.

In short, please dont put words in my mouth, thank you.

I wasn’t referring to your post, I was referring to speedforce.

Your original comment was that this motorcycle thing was an example of matriarchy, which is incorrect. Matriarchy is a society organized to benefit women. That one example of an accommodation for bike cops is not matriarchy.

Oh, thought it was at me, sorry about that. But i would just say that matriarchy like patriarchy is built on small concessions building to large injustices, the way I see this is that this is evil form of matriarchy being downplayed by those that benefit for it like you see patriarchy being downplayed by those that benefit from it.

That being said, we're free to our opinions and ill continue to believe both matriarchy and patriarchy are evenly spread out over the planet and we need to eventually let go of both edges and first step to that is to emancipate the children. So well probably not see eye to eye on this for a long time.

Love and toodles, take care.

There is no entrenched woman controlled power structure behind the motorcycle rule for cops. That’s an essential component of a matriarchy. I’m using the terms patriarchy and matriarchy in the technical sociological sense. In the western world we live in a patriarchy because we have entrenched male controlled power structures that work to ensure the continued ascendancy of men over women.

[ada]

Religion plays a large role in this distorted thought between men and women I feel. Not that religion is wrong, but some teachings that allow these ways of thinking as normal, as in women being inferior, are a big cause. We are still responsible for having these thoughts I imagine, and honored in balancing them as we do now?  
I certainly learned a lot by this discussion, mostly on the many things I had to translate and wiki.  

[speedforce131]

The natural law is our physical universe. You CANNOT upend this, no matter how polarizing your thought is towards genders. Your belief does not make it real life. Saying that women can take 1600 lbs tackle from a 300+lbs man does not make it any more true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBttlmw5BaU

[Merrick]

The natural law is our physical universe. You CANNOT upend this, no matter how polarizing your thought is towards genders. Your belief does not make it real life. Saying that women can take 1600 lbs tackle from a 300+lbs man does not make it any more true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBttlmw5BaU

There are laws of physics but you continue to distort how they apply to gender relations. Saying women shouldn’t be cops because men are stronger than women is a gross distortion of the differences between men and women and an even more gross application of that distortion onto social patterns.

You keep accusing those who disagree with you of being polarizing, when you continually dismiss and reject others and generally show no interest in engaging in open hearted conversation. You’re comparing your personal opinions, to absolute truth.

You may want to meditate on why some of us disagree so strongly with your so called objective truths.

[speedforce131]

The natural law is our physical universe. You CANNOT upend this, no matter how polarizing your thought is towards genders. Your belief does not make it real life. Saying that women can take 1600 lbs tackle from a 300+lbs man does not make it any more true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBttlmw5BaU

There are laws of physics but you continue to distort how they apply to gender relations. Saying women shouldn’t be cops because men are stronger than women is a gross distortion of the differences between men and women and an even more gross application of that distortion onto social patterns.

You keep accusing those who disagree with you of being polarizing, when you continually dismiss and reject others and generally show no interest in engaging in open hearted conversation. You’re comparing your personal opinions, to absolute truth.

You may want to meditate on why some of us disagree so strongly with your so called objective truths.

I don't know what more you want? I talked about the physiological differences between men and women. I showed how women can't take being tackled by a man. I provided evidence that women can't handle male suspects. I agreed with you that women should be paid the same in roles that men and women share. It seems to me that you are not willing to listen to regardless of the fact that I have only spoken realistically and provided evidence to support my claims.

You call what I'm presenting is distortions when the reality paints a different picture. The reality is that you are self oriented and polarized to female. Your opinions are biased and you're closed to the truth. The elites or Orion, whatever you want to call them, has you hook line and sinker.

[Cyan]

Edit: Double post, plz delete.

[AnthroHeart]

Yeah, we're downloading a big game, so internet will probably be up and down till it's done.

[Merrick]

The natural law is our physical universe. You CANNOT upend this, no matter how polarizing your thought is towards genders. Your belief does not make it real life. Saying that women can take 1600 lbs tackle from a 300+lbs man does not make it any more true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBttlmw5BaU

There are laws of physics but you continue to distort how they apply to gender relations. Saying women shouldn’t be cops because men are stronger than women is a gross distortion of the differences between men and women and an even more gross application of that distortion onto social patterns.

You keep accusing those who disagree with you of being polarizing, when you continually dismiss and reject others and generally show no interest in engaging in open hearted conversation. You’re comparing your personal opinions, to absolute truth.

You may want to meditate on why some of us disagree so strongly with your so called objective truths.

I don't know what more you want? I talked about the physiological differences between men and women. I showed how women can't take being tackled by a man. I provided evidence that women can't handle male suspects. I agreed with you that women should be paid the same in roles that men and women share. It seems to me that you are not willing to listen to regardless of the fact that I have only spoken realistically and provided evidence to support my claims.

You call what I'm presenting is distortions when the reality paints a different picture. The reality is that you are self oriented and polarized to female. Your opinions are biased and you're closed to the truth. The elites or Orion, whatever you want to call them, has you hook line and sinker.

I’m sorry this conversation is upsetting you. You are clearly very sure of your rightness but I’m going to have to continue to disagree with your assertions, including your spurious assessment of my character. I hope you gain perspective as you travel on your path. Have a good day!

[Cyan]

extreme distortions you’re trying to dispel. I mean, women being cops is against natural law?? How does one even respond to such a notion?

I never said that women cops are against natures law, please dont distort.

I said that asking male cops to be able to lift their bike back up if they fall and asking female cops NOT to be able to do that as they dont have the strength is harmful to the community as it puts female bike cops at a significant advantage and supporting lower levels of physical requirement based on sex is what ever you would like to call. But if you feel like you want to thank her for defending against that opinion that is clearly in your right to do so, but please, dont put words in my mouth, i have nothing against female motocycle cops, but they must be demanded to the same standard as men for the good of the community.

In short, please dont put words in my mouth, thank you.

I wasn’t referring to your post, I was referring to speedforce.

Your original comment was that this motorcycle thing was an example of matriarchy, which is incorrect. Matriarchy is a society organized to benefit women. That one example of an accommodation for bike cops is not matriarchy.

Oh, thought it was at me, sorry about that. But i would just say that matriarchy like patriarchy is built on small concessions building to large injustices, the way I see this is that this is evil form of matriarchy being downplayed by those that benefit for it like you see patriarchy being downplayed by those that benefit from it.

That being said, we're free to our opinions and ill continue to believe both matriarchy and patriarchy are evenly spread out over the planet and we need to eventually let go of both edges and first step to that is to emancipate the children. So well probably not see eye to eye on this for a long time.

Love and toodles, take care.

There is no entrenched woman controlled power structure behind the motorcycle rule for cops. That’s an essential component of a matriarchy. I’m using the terms patriarchy and matriarchy in the technical sociological sense. In the western world we live in a patriarchy because we have entrenched male controlled power structures that work to ensure the continued ascendancy of men over women.

I strongly disagree but I¨ll leave it at that if its okay. It seems we've both said our piece and its better to bow at the disagreement and switch to something more positive, ill keep pointing out why i think matriarchy is as real as patriarchy and has nothing to do with entrenched power but rather preference for gender but i think wed get more sidetracked, thanks for good convo.

[Relax]

Actually, male motorcycle police are expected to be able to lift their bike back up if they fall and female are not, this is one example of blatant matriarchy causing danger to the community. The females cant do it, too weak, males can. That kind of matriarchy has no place in a civilized society, placing others in danger to compensate for being physically weaker.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!ahahahahahahahahahahahah!


ffs

push a baby out of you Cyan

carry a growing human inside you and then push it out of you


for hours - to days of often excruciating contractions - to do so


ffs


aahahahahahaha!

0_0

[Cyan]

Get kicked in the nuts.

[Relax]

PS: this thread shows

EXACTLY WHY feminism needed to occur

nb: feminism does not wish for matriarchy - but for unity - equality, fairness, cohesion

people supporting each other

and this whole physical thing.... some women are much stronger than some men

saying that the strongest man is always going to be stronger than the strongest woman indicates the basis of the argument behind many of these posts...

fear - and insistence of ultimate superiority of the quality of physical strength and men somehow needing to be considered 'the best' ultimately

there is strength in women that many men won't ever come anywhere near having in their lives but women don't go on and on about it...

https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/...a7de124a08

[Relax]

Get kicked in the nuts.

nope - but hows about getting kicked in the nuts repeatedly for hours at a time?
yep theerrrre ya go... now we're starting to approximate childbirth a little....

https://www.babble.com/pregnancy/at-last...hildbirth/

"In eastern China, a hospital has offered fathers-to-be the chance to understand just what their partners are going through when they give birth. After several new mothers complained that they got little sympathy from their partners, the hospital decided to offer dads a chance to feel the same level of pain that women experience in childbirth, with the intensity ranging from 1 to 10.

The free sessions are held twice a week at the Aima maternity hospital in Shandong, and surprisingly over 100 men have signed up! So why are these men so interested in experiencing this? Perhaps it’s because unlike in the West, Chinese men are often not in the room when their partners or wives give birth, so the idea of childbirth holds some mystery to them and they want to get closer to the experience.

To simulate birth for these dads, pads are attached to a device that is then placed on the man’s stomach and electric shocks are sent through to imitate contractions. A participant described the pain as feeling “like my heart and lungs were being ripped apart.” He only made it to level 7 on the pain threshold.

One woman believes that it serves a purpose, stating, “If men can experience this pain, then they’ll be more loving and caring to their wives.”

I’m sorry but even with all of this simulated pain, it still doesn’t come close to the actual experience of passing something the size of a watermelon out of your nether regions. It’s a good idea in theory, but it’s missing the anxiety leading up to the actual birth. It doesn’t capture the fear of the baby getting stuck in the birth canal or having to have an emergency C-section because the cervix isn’t dilating enough or any of the other things that can go wrong during childbirth."

:exclamation:

[Tae]

The bad guys want us to be arguing among ourselves rather than working together regardless of our differences for the good of all life. Bickering with other lightworkers over ideology is a waste of your valuable gift of time to be here on Earth in service to others. We are at our most powerful when we can agree to disagree and keep on doing what we're here to do.

Notions don't matter, only actions. I of course as a woman in this world have thoughts on this matter, and believe putting energy into it would be falling into a trap we're supposed to be getting stuck in, planted to keep us from doing our work. You're arguing about some walls they gave us. We are ONE experiencing multiplicity. The problem with the system isn't making tweaks to any of the powers that be and the walls they gave us, the problem is that it's not a compassion based service to others crafted on a model of respect, compassion, love... anything else is dressing that's been handed to us by our overlords to distract us from the real issue. Screw feminism. Screw the patriarchy. Screw it all. We NEED to be able to act together as a collective of varying thoughtforms, ideas, experiences, ideals, regardless of how different we may be, if we cannot all come together we will be destroyed or at the very least, subdued through all our mediocre lives.

I've run into several pieces about varying forms on genderism and somethingarchies and that's all I can think is, this is a distraction, letting us whip it up into any frenzy keeps us from getting our acts together. We need to take responsibility for our selves and stop letting these systems rule our minds.

[Relax]

we don't have the luxury to say "screw feminism" imo... but I get your point on the whole...
and that's why Cyan the Viking Munchkin who should be wandering in the garden with the rabbits and chatting with Gem Wolf and experiencing being in one of the weirdest countries in the world... having a time out from violent loons in a Finnish emergency accom house - shouldn't be wasting his or others time here being 'provocative' on B4th just to stir the pot and allow his incel tendencies to magnetise other fearful men on B4


over and out

[Merrick]

I’ve been kicked in the nuts and also helped my wife while she gave birth. There is absolutely positively no comparison. Childbirth is pain on a level men cannot fathom.

[AnthroHeart]

You never hear a man say "kick me in the nuts again" but women will say "let's have another one"

[Relax]

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[Cyan]

Lol, I'll migrate to a different thread, we got 2 pages of good conversation then it returned to the nether regions and why one can take a pounding and one can give a pounding.

Thank you all for good conversations but I think I've seen what I needed to see and now have another topic in mind.

It started with "both sides oppress the other and should have their grievances about the other gender listened to in a open and calm manner." and ended with "he shouldnt post here becuase ree" anyway, thank you for the good responses everyone and see you in the next thread.

[speedforce131]

I hope you gain perspective as you travel on your path. Have a good day!

Don't even go there (but you did). You have no idea the journey or path that I've been on. You have no idea THE PAIN and SUFFERING that characterizes my life. You have no idea the PHYSICAL DAMAGE that I've incurred in undertaking this incarnation. You have no idea THE LONELINESS that I've felt even to this day. My soulmate/twin flame had to incarnate separate from me so that she can help guide me & love me from a distance, and indirectly. I have to KNOW and REMEMBER both our past lives while I have NO ONE to talk to about it and I certainly can't tell her.

I don't know if you've noticed, but in me, the remembrance, piercing the veil has been EXTRA strong and you can see that I understand the concepts on a level that I rarely see reflected on this forum. THAT is no coincidence. You should really think long and hard about that one.

[Relax]

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[speedforce131]

saying that the strongest man is always going to be stronger than the strongest woman indicates the basis of the argument behind many of these posts...

You miss the forest for the trees. The point in highlighting the difference of strength between men and women is to show that we are not 100% equal therefore the goal is not to reach a level of equality. It is to reach HARMONY. You have to take into account the strengths/weaknesses/differences of men and women and only then, can you account for the problems in modern society. You do not solve it by upending the system turning it upside down. Saying women need to be this or need to be that. If we all played to the strengths of our genders then we would be in a better place. You don't want harmony between the genders. You want separation. It is clear in your language and attitude.

The entire time, I've been trying to alert you to the fact that the system of separation that you follow is that of the elites. It is the elite's narrative that you are consuming and that narrative promotes division among the sexes. That division disrupts your ability to be compassionate and to love. The true path is unity and to have that, you must have harmony between both genders. How do you achieve that amongst a landscape where you KNOW there is inequality? The secret is to accept that inequality but play into the strengths of each gender.

I want to point to Japan yet again. This country has gotten to a level where there is virtually no violence, women are safe, have their own jobs and don't have to be a mother. In fact, the vast majority of women in Japan do not date, let alone marry. But what kind of life do you live without love? What kind of society is that? It is a hollow one I'm afraid. Be careful what you wish for, because you might get it, and you won't like where it leads. FYI, I don't support society destructive ideas.

[Merrick]

I hope you gain perspective as you travel on your path. Have a good day!

Don't even go there (but you did). You have no idea the journey or path that I've been on. You have no idea THE PAIN and SUFFERING that characterizes my life. You have no idea the PHYSICAL DAMAGE that I've incurred in undertaking this incarnation. You have no idea THE LONELINESS that I've felt even to this day. My soulmate/twin flame had to incarnate separate from me so that she can help guide me & love me from a distance, and indirectly. I have to KNOW and REMEMBER both our past lives while I have NO ONE to talk to about it and I certainly can't tell her.

I don't know if you've noticed, but in me, the remembrance, piercing the veil has been EXTRA strong and you can see that I understand the concepts on a level that I rarely see reflected on this forum. THAT is no coincidence. You should really think long and hard about that one.

I am genuinely sorry for your pain just like my wishes in my last post were genuine.

[Glow]

I hope you gain perspective as you travel on your path. Have a good day!

Don't even go there (but you did). You have no idea the journey or path that I've been on. You have no idea THE PAIN and SUFFERING that characterizes my life. You have no idea the PHYSICAL DAMAGE that I've incurred in undertaking this incarnation. You have no idea THE LONELINESS that I've felt even to this day. My soulmate/twin flame had to incarnate separate from me so that she can help guide me & love me from a distance, and indirectly. I have to KNOW and REMEMBER both our past lives while I have NO ONE to talk to about it and I certainly can't tell her.

I don't know if you've noticed, but in me, the remembrance, piercing the veil has been EXTRA strong and you can see that I understand the concepts on a level that I rarely see reflected on this forum. THAT is no coincidence. You should really think long and hard about that one.

Speedforce I am sorry for your suffering. We wanderers take on a lot in our incarnation. It might help you to realize we have all endured more than we thought we could and many here have also pierced the veil and had to endure agony for what we know, understand and have seen. What is and isn’t. Then it doesn’t matter anymore because it’s all ego, even our souls and soulmates because at the end we are just one. Layers of illusion.

You are actually not alone here. You and all of us here have distortions in our understanding, ego does that hence it causing passionate upset where beyond the veil, none of this matters at all. We have trillions of billions of years to get this single issue sorted. It really doesn’t matter. Millions of lives from now it’ll be sorted and every step messy and pretty will have been necessary.

No one is right 100% and no one is wrong 100%.
We are all wandering together.

[speedforce131]

no one is wrong 100%.

LARP'ers are. Sorry but in my journey to penetrate the veil, I've ran across so many people who LARP and it's these people who make it the hardest to work. I've ran across other less disciplined psychics, legit astral travelers, remote viewers, and so on. They were great, but the one worst thing across all of them were LARP'ers. They were mostly wrong, had no talent in anything, spouted falsehoods, and was in general a hateful bunch.

I don't want to toot my own horn or anything, but in the past lives I've seen, I've sacrificed big for Earth. One is known among all people. I don't want to say anything more about it beyond that. What I do want to say is that it really hurts when the people who you are trying to help is also the ones crucifying you. It is not just this forum but many other forums. You have no idea. Even in this incarnation, I've reversed injustices on a planetary scale. It sounds crazy but it's true.

However in every instance, I've been trashed by the people to the point where I couldn't even be there and enjoy in discussions anymore. It's caused a lot of mental anguish and loneliness. My friends have their own lives and so they are not always there for me. When I do my thing, I do it alone.

Sometimes I have to remind myself that I helped bring light to 100's of millions of people because I am always second guessing myself and thinking that I'm the bad guy since everyone's always against me. My latest endeavor affected 330 million+ people and THAT one really did a number on my conscience. B/c of that, I wonder, if new Earth IS coming in this lifetime, do I make it?

I'm trying my hardest to bring love/light, light/love to people but people's biggest obstacles are themselves. I recently lost a friend due to difference levels of understanding. He didn't want to accept my lesson of forgiveness, he hates being "preached to". I saw how the toxicity was affecting him and I was afraid for him. Should 4th density be in this lifetime, he would not have made the cut. I put our friendship on the line so that his soul would be saved.

[David_1]

Tae said:
“The bad guys want us to be arguing among ourselves rather than working together regardless of our differences for the good of all life.”
Exactly!

I think forgiveness solves a lot.

(Please ignore the following article if you are not interested in recent events primarily in the abortion debate.)
A crude, but logical argument . . .
https://tinyurl.com/y352xu8y

[Infinite]

Feminism has nothing to do with women playing in the NFL. It's about basic human rights. Women should be paid the same amount if they are doing the same job as a man. Women should have equal representation in politics and business. Women should not fear for their safety walking down a street alone. This is just scratching the surface.

Often times in a relationship women are expected to do all the housekeeping in addition to having a full-time job for which they are paid less than their male counterparts. Women also have to pay more for hygiene products (the so-called pink tax: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_tax).

Couple that with the fact that more women are far more likely to be murdered by their spouses (an average of 3 women are murdered by an intimate partner every day in the US) and we start to see the bigger picture:

Our society actively disempowers women. They have less access to resources since they make less money and have to spend more on necessities, they have less time as they often have the burden of maintaining the household, they have less representation in politics and the courts which decide laws that affect them and often they have little agency in their own lives as men can use violence to shut them down if they "step out of line."

This isn't even going into the treatment of trans individuals (which is a touchy subject here given the sometimes shockingly conservative attitudes towards gender).

THIS.

And I just don't understand the doubt about feminism. If all we are one, makes no sense a STO entity be against a movement which promotes equality/equity. Who is afraid of equality/equity? Perhaps someone who doesn't want to lose privileges, someone who doesn't want to be equal the others. That are questions to think.

[ada]

Male shaming is a core issue with the movement, just because one is born a male doesn't put them responsible for all evil and abusive deeds done to women. Raising awareness is required, standing as one to seek change is required, but who you turn to for said demand? The single male individual that is in power of what? Their own lonely life? There are a lot of abusive things done to all, by those who have more. Men and women suffer alike, we all have dificulities.  :-/