3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview)

[3DMonkey]

I must admit I couldn't imagine being in Don's seat though. Think of how many times we have to read this stuff to really grasp it...he probably didn't really process in the moment every little thing Ra said.

Oh, absolutely. He had a set of questions to start, wanted to make sure he got all those in. Any interviewer is basically into the next question before the previous question's answer is completed. Not to mention, I've listened to some audio (which is great), and it moves so slow, it would be difficult to mentally piece it together into common speed for processing.

I don't know, but I imagine there was a lot of contemplation between sessions not unlike any member here contemplating now, with the mind trying to make sense of it all.

[Bring4th_Austin]

I wish Ra would join Bring4th and just clear all of this mess up for us

[native]

For some reason I feel like that's not exactly how it will work.

What are your thoughts?

[3DMonkey]

I wish Ra would join Bring4th and just clear all of this mess up for us

I'd think it would be easier to manipulate electronics than vocal cords. Maybe not. I suppose they could've inscribed all the details into rock. This silly language of ours. Words. Ha! So primitive.

[Bring4th_Austin]

For some reason I feel like that's not exactly how it will work.

What are your thoughts?

"Feel," not think . No real thoughts on the matter except it would be fun.

[βαθμιαίος]

I don't know, but I imagine there was a lot of contemplation between sessions not unlike any member here contemplating now, with the mind trying to make sense of it all.

I think that's exactly right and a big reason why sessions got much more spaced out after the initial rush of enthusiasm.

[native]

"Feel," not think . No real thoughts on the matter except it would be fun.

I feel there will come a time they will appear..only after many changes in our perceptual reality as 4d is formed together, and after we have substantially changed our 3d ways.

[Raman]

I thought I was the receptor, the antenna, receiving the broadcast. My perspective is that we all turn our tv to the same channel to receive and vibrate to the same tune.

You are, energy is inpouring to the energy centers. But we can also serve as broadcasters/radiators of love/light.

65.12 Questioner: Then each of the Wanderers here acts as a function of the biases he has developed in any way he sees fit to communicate or simply be in his polarity to aid the total consciousness of the planet. Is there any physical way in which he aids, perhaps by his vibrations somehow just adding to the planet just as electrical polarity or charging a battery? Does that also aid the planet, just the physical presence of the Wanderers?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and the mechanism is precisely as you state. We intended this meaning in the second portion of our previous answer.

You may, at this time, note that as with any entities, each Wanderer has its unique abilities, biases, and specialities so that from each portion of each density represented among the Wanderers come an array of pre-incarnative talents which then may be expressed upon this plane which you now experience so that each Wanderer, in offering itself before incarnation, has some special service to offer in addition to the doubling effect of planetary love and light and the basic function of serving as beacon or shepherd.

Thus there are those of fifth-density whose abilities to express wisdom are great. There are fourth and sixth-density Wanderers whose ability to serve as, shall we say, passive radiators or broadcasters of love and love/light are immense. There are many others whose talents brought into this density are quite varied.

Thus Wanderers have three basic functions once the forgetting is penetrated, the first two being basic, the tertiary one being unique to that particular mind/body/spirit complex.

We may note at this point while you ponder the possibility/probability vortices that although you have many, many items which cause distress and thus offer seeking and service opportunities, there is always one container in that store of peace, love, light, and joy. This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment. Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.

I'd imagine that if this can be done passively it can also be done consciously.

We enter now the so called "law of responsability" don't we? We are consciously aware we are wanderers...

We know the earth needs to reconcile 3d with 4d green transition...I think personally, that the main reason for this is 3d entities/earth has enough green ray to make it to great harvest without a Mars/Maldek situation happening.

So possibly it is a good idea consciously perform this 2-3times day?

Will rotating the body make a difference since then it is transmittied in a circle?

[3DMonkey]

"Leave your possessions and follow me". If we are going to do it, let's do it.

[Oceania]

do i have to leave my laptop?

[3DMonkey]

Where we're going, we don't need laptops (pan out. Cue closing sequence)

[Oceania]

that sounds familiar.

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oh, Dr. Brown, winning

[βαθμιαίος]

Perhaps it was our capitalist mind set that does not see the virtue of providing something like this for free.

I've been thinking about this some more. On the one hand, you're exactly right. JP Morgan supposedly pulled the plug on Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower when he realized that wireless power meant nowhere to put the meter.

On the other hand, the Russians have supposedly had similar technology since they were communists, and they don't seem to be in a hurry to share, either, and, in fact, were in 1981, according to Ra, attempting to use it for nefarious ends.

[unity100]

On the other hand, the Russians have supposedly had similar technology since they were communists, and they don't seem to be in a hurry to share, either, and, in fact, were in 1981, according to Ra, attempting to use it for nefarious ends.

there may be numerous reasons for this.

simply due to the extreme survival situations in early stages of revolution, the hardliner parties had assumed all power. throughout 30s, they acquired ultimate control. its no wonder that such a governmental culture would attempt to use any means to control.

however, there is also this :

it is highly possible that if they let out any such technology, they risked a world war from the part of the capitalist economies of the west.

it rather goes without saying - it is the ultimate cultural bomb - it basically would totally invalidate all the hierarchy that ownership system had resulted in - anyone, with these devices, would be able to do anything. set up factories, use them for heat, use them to cool themselves (with devices), till infinite acres of fields, travel for free. but most of all, make dangerous weapons. so its quite easy to say that the hierarchy in the west very probably 'warned' the east against releasing such technology.

this tech was given to russians around 1953 i believe.

[βαθμιαίος]

The Russians had free will and chose not to release the technology, just as the Americans did. I'm not sure the various rationalizations that can be given for why not to release it are all that compelling from either side.

I imagine that the hierarchy in the Soviet Union/Russia was and is quite interested in retaining control of these powerful technologies and needed/needs little encouragement from the West not to release it. I don't think they had/have any more interest than Wall Street did/does in seeing their people escape their control and become able to, as you say, set up factories, use it for heating/cooling, farming, etc.

None of your reasons explain why the Soviets would use the technology to attempt to engineer famine.

[unity100]

influential factions changed more than once in soviet union. the era of stalin and the era of kruschev were not the same.

and, releasing free energy technology, and using it to do various stuff, are different things. they could have released the cultural bomb (free energy) and still could have used the devices they had for engineering various offensive implementations.

there was a difference in between control mechanisms of east and west societies - in west, society was controlled through the mechanism of private ownership hierarchy, in east, people were being controlled directly - elected representatives of the people from the elite segments of the party, were controlling people directly through repressive measures. so, when the technology was released, the west totally would lose orientation, whereas the east could still continue controlling the population because its control mechanism did not involve ownership hierarchies. you could still give free energy to people, and then raze populations to ground 'in the name of the people' if they did not oblige with rules and whatnot, with the devices government has. in the west, you could not have any justification or footing since the basis of ownership would have gone.

naturally, the general inclination of this planetary culture is towards orange to yellow ray control, with orange being on the heavy side. and it is rather evident that the release of this technology by east had not happened due to this.

but, the potential of what i have mentioned, can not be ignored.

[loop]

sooo, maybe the time has come to renew this thread

Do you still think it will be sudden process and not gradual? I think it will be gradual and the culmination has started: http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...3#pid54933

[NternalArchitect]

Hello everyone! I've been reading The Ra Material for almost a year now, delving deep to learn and absorb as much as possible. I have 100% faith in what is said. Such a pure channel and message of love, and hope.

Through the reading, I initially thought the harvest was going to be sudden, but upon further researching elsewhere, many took the 100-700 quote to mean that it will take that long! That's the one quote that caused all the divide between the instantaneous and the gradual transitional camps. With this post, I'm going to provide new information and a way of tying it all together that I haven't seen before online. I could be wrong though. This will be a little long and some will be redundant for many, but I'll clearly emphasize the unique aspect I haven't seen elsewhere.

6.16 Questioner: What is the position of this planet with respect to the progression of cycles at this time?
Ra: I am Ra. This sphere is at this time in fourth-dimension vibration. Its material is quite confused due to the society memory complexes embedded in its consciousness. It has not made an easy transition to the vibrations which beckon. Therefore, it will be fetched with some inconvenience.

[The space we exist within is 4th density. The planet, however, is not, and through this quote we can surmise to an extent that it can't be with the less polarized beings altering the consciousness of the whole organism (us and gaia combined.)]



6.17 Questioner: Is this inconvenience imminent within a few years?
Ra: I am Ra. This inconvenience, or disharmonious vibratory complex, has begun several of your years in the past. It shall continue unabated for a period of approximately three oh, thirty, of your years.

[This is speaking to the change that occurred in 1936 of the surrounding space-time density. The disharmonious aspect is resulting from beings who are not of a polarized nature and therefore are indirectly not within harmony to a great extent. For these manifestations to be corrected, balanced, or harmonized, this aspect of our planet's consciousness (those beings) must be transmuted or extracted. Otherwise, what would occur to create this great of a change if the majority of the population is in low vibratory disharmony?]

<333

6.18 Questioner: After this period of thirty years I am assuming that this will be a fourth-density planet. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is so.

[This speaks for itself. The magnetic north pole will be receiving the full influx of the 4th density light/love as it enters our web of earth energy ley lines and vortexes.



14.14 Questioner: Would there be any value to the people of this planet now to complete this machine?
Ra: I am Ra. The harvest is now. There is not at this time any reason to include efforts along these distortions towards longevity, but rather to encourage distortions toward seeking the heart of self, for this which resides clearly in the violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting of each mind/body/spirit complex.

[So Ra, in all of this complex being's understanding, is informing all those that it will affect and alter to not try and live a long life. If this life is as highly respected for catalyst of learning as is mentioned and expressed, then why would the attempt at lengthening one's life to prolong this amazing opportunity be reinforced? This assuredly points to a sudden quantum leap of harvest.

<333

16.12 Questioner: Then as we enter the fourth density there will be a split, shall we say, and part of the individuals who go into the fourth density will go into planets or places where there is service to others and part will go into places where there is service to self.

Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

["As we enter the fourth density..." This could be meant as it is later portrayed as the entering of our bodies into the full 4D bodies in the 100-700 year transition. I'll link the entering of the 4D Earth to the harvest in the coming quotes]



17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.

[This is an obvious one. We notice how Ra, who is usually very particular about having the entire message be correct before responding completely, considers it a satisfactory statement. Ra would have spoken to the spread out aspect. Ra would have had to! The not so obvious portion of this quote is the term 'nexus.' Nexus is.. 1. a means of connection; tie; link. 2. a connected series or group. 3. the core or center, as of a matter or situation. The core or center, connotative of a singular event surrounding this time/space connection, tie, or link. The striking of the hour.

[Also, this, along with 6.18, connects the harvest date and the planetary ascension to the 4th density, so the question is not, 'Will the harvest be at this suggested time/space probability?' but 'Will the harvest be a singular event where all are harvested at once, and the STO remain, or will it be drawn out over the 100-700 possibility vortex and ending when we birth full 4th density bodies?' Moving along...]



40.8 Questioner: Then what will be the time of transition on this planet from third to fourth-density?
Ra: I am Ra. This is difficult to estimate due to the uncharacteristic anomalies of this transition. There are at this space/time nexus beings incarnate which have begun fourth-density work. However, the third-density climate of planetary consciousness is retarding the process. At this particular nexus the possibility/probability vortices indicate somewhere between 100 and 700 of your years as transition period. This cannot be accurate due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time.

[Ta da.. the one quote that confuses the heck out of everyone. It took me quite a while to make sense of this, and let it rest in my mind virtually completely. This is predominantly referring to the time it takes to birth the new race in entirety, so we can appreciate the 4th density planet in full.]



63.27 Questioner: I will make this statement and have you correct me. What we have is, as our planet is spiraled by the spiraling action of the entire major galaxy and our planetary system spirals into the new position, the fourth-density vibrations becoming more and more pronounced. These atomic core vibrations begin to create, more and more completely, the fourth-density sphere and the fourth-density bodily complexes for inhabitation of that sphere. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. To be corrected is the concept of the creation of green-ray density bodily complexes. This creation will be gradual and will take place beginning with your third-density type of physical vehicle and, through the means of bisexual reproduction, become by evolutionary processes, the fourth-density body complexes.

63.28 Questioner: Then are these entities of whom we have spoken, the third-density harvestable who have been transferred, the ones who then will, by bisexual reproduction, create the fourth-density complexes that are necessary?
Ra: I am Ra. The influxes of true-color green energy complexes will more and more create the conditions in which the atomic structure of cells of bodily complexes is that of the density of love. The mind/body/spirit complexes inhabiting these physical vehicles will be, and to some extent, are, those of whom you spoke and, as harvest is completed, the harvested entities of this planetary influence.

[So from what is said, those who stay after (or during if you consider it gradual) will have the 4th density magnetized vibrations changing their bodies. With this line of thinking in the gradualistic camp, those who stay will be affected and altered to be partly of 4th dimension in DNA even if they are not ready for this level of intensity of light. Like Ra mentioned, we walk the steps of light, and when it becomes to glaring, they stop, so then these luke warm individuals will experience light that is too much for them? This doesn't make sense as there will be those living that could spend another 80 years or more on this Earth, and possibly experience the whole experience of birthing the new race. This just doesn't compute.]



63.25 Questioner: Then at some time in the future the fourth-density sphere will be fully activated. What is the difference between full activation and partial activation for this sphere?
Ra: I am Ra. At this time the cosmic influxes are conducive to true-color green core particles being formed and material of this nature thus being formed. However, there is a mixture of the yellow-ray and green-ray environments at this time necessitating the birthing of transitional mind/body/spirit complex types of energy distortions. At full activation of the true-color green density of love the planetary sphere will be solid and inhabitable upon its own and the birthing that takes place will have been transformed through the process of time, shall we say, to the appropriate type of vehicle to appreciate in full the fourth-density planetary environment. At this nexus the green-ray environment exists to a far greater extent in time/space than in space/time.

[Here we are told that in full activation, the sphere will then be solid, not before. So when the Earth makes the transition into 4th density magnetized, it will only be a partial activation as those who stay on the planet will then assist in the birthing of both the new race, but also the solid inhabitable planet. This is when the consciousness of the people takes on the aspects of love, thus allowing the planet to manifest completely. This is also why I believe that those who remain after the 2011-? event mentioned cannot be of disharmonizing influence upon the Earth collective consciousness, and to not even experience this level of light, as it isn't appropriate for their soul level of learning.]



43.25 Questioner: On this planet after the harvest is complete, will fourth-density beings be incarnate on the surface as we know it now?
Ra: I am Ra. The probability/possibility vortices indicate this to be most likely.

[I've never seen this mentioned. This is the unique tie in that I haven't come across before. So... They're stating that after the harvesting, being either a gradual or instantaneous event that is to occur any moment now or in the very, very near future, which is also connected to the planet becoming fully 4th density magnetized at the poles' instreaming, that there will most likely be 4D individuals on the surface as we know it. Whoa, whoa.. This was one of the biggest, or ONLY, inconsistency I thought I had come across within The Ra Material. It's mentioned that when the birthing is complete past the 100-700 year period, that the 4th density will be fully solid and inhabitable upon its own, so if the harvesting were to occur throughout the 100-700 year period, then at its completion, there shouldn't be 4D individuals on the 3D Earth's surface!



The gradualistic scenario seems very unlikely for those reasons I've mentioned previously, so when also considering the instantaneous harvest (crop isn't harvested at different periods, it is one.. the harvest is one) who would be there to propagate the 3D species of 4D beings who experience higher levels of the photon past the quantum leap from the 3D level to the 4D level without intermediary steps? This is the 4th density double-bodied who remain. This is the reason that they are double-bodied before having already gone through harvest, so that through the harvest, they will be there to continue the species on being able to experience the new incoming magnetism.

"The mind/body/spirit complexes inhabiting these physical vehicles will be, and to some extent, are, those of whom you spoke and, as harvest is completed, the harvested entities of this planetary influence."



65.15 Questioner: Then as these final days of the cycle transpire if the harvest were to occur now, today, it would have a certain number harvested positively and negatively and a certain number of repeaters. I am going to assume that because of the catalyst that will be experienced between now and the actual harvesting time these numbers of harvestable entities will increase.

Generally speaking, not particularly with respect to this planet but with respect to general experience in harvesting, how big an increase in harvestable entities can you logically assume will occur because of the catalyst that occurs in the final period such as this one, or am I making a mistake in assuming that other planets have added catalyst at the end of a harvesting period when they have a mixed harvest?
Ra: I am Ra. In the event of mixed harvest there is nearly always disharmony and, therefore, added catalyst in the form of your so-called “Earth changes.” In this assumption you are correct.

It is the Confederation’s desire to serve those who may indeed seek more intensely because of this added catalyst. We do not choose to attempt to project the success of added numbers to the harvest for this would not be appropriate. We are servants. If we are called, we shall serve with all our strength. To count the numbers is without virtue.

[Don's question states... "Then as these final days of the cycle transpire if the harvest were to occur now, today, it would have a certain number harvested positively and negatively and a certain number of repeaters." This is an assumption when entering this realm of questioning, so Ra would have had to correct Don to maintain the integrity and validity of Ra's truthful answer.]



63.13 Questioner: Now these entities incarnate into a third-density vibratory body. I am trying to understand how this transition takes place from third to fourth-density. I will take the example of one of these entities of which we are speaking who is now in a third-density body. He will grow older and then will it be necessary that he die from the third-density physical body and reincarnate in a fourth-density body for that transition?
Ra: I am Ra. These entities are those incarnating with what you may call a double body in activation. It will be noted that the entities birthing these fourth-density entities experience a great feeling of, shall we say, the connection and the use of spiritual energies during pregnancy. This is due to the necessity for manifesting the double body.

This transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the accompanying disruption of the third-density body. If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.

To answer your query about death, these entities will die according to third-density necessities.

63.14 Questioner: You are saying, then, that for the transition from third to fourth-density for one of the entities with doubly activated bodies, in order to make the transition the third-density body will go through the process of what we call death. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die according to the necessity of third-density mind/body/spirit complex distortions.

We may respond to the heart of your questioning by noting that the purpose of such combined activation of mind/body/spirit complexes is that such entities, to some extent, consciously are aware of those fourth-density understandings which third density is unable to remember due to the forgetting. Thus fourth-density experience may be begun with the added attraction to an entity oriented towards service to others of dwelling in a troubled third-density environment and offering its love and compassion.

[In this, I take it to mean that the 4th density double-bodied entity's yellow ray accumulation's electrical grids will not falter when the planet shifts completely into 4th density magnetization. When reading that 'if the 3rd density body were aware of 4th density in full,' I logically connect it to the fact that 4th will not. While 'full' could mean full activation that they refer to 100-700 years in the future after this 2011-ish harvest-planetary ascension event, this doesn't seem likely considering it was mentioned that 4th will not receive this disruption.

Along with this, it's said the 3rd and 4th combination will day for 3rd density distortions. Because I believe we can safely say that 3rd+4th combination will exist post-harvest without the electrical fields disruption or death, and also because it is said that post-harvest 4D individuals will be incarnate on the surface as we know it, the gradualistic approach can be put to rest without a considerable amount of doubt.]



It seems to me that it is necessary for the double-bodied to be incarnate prior to the 'fetching' of 4D Earth, as there must be someone who stays after to continue on the human race who can already appreciate the intensified light of the fourth density/dimension as they've already been harvested. Thus, thinking that unharvested/unharvestable entities can continue on past the quantum leap into fourth density magnetization without being able to take the proper steps of light does NOT makes sense. Why would their bodies go through 80+ years of green density transformation to their cells and DNA if they're not ready for the full density of love if they died and took the steps of light?


~Tyrus



10.9 Questioner: When graduation occurs at the end of a cycle, and entities are moved from one planet to another, by what means do they go to a new planet?
Ra: I am Ra. In the scheme of the Creator, the first step of the mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness is to place its mind/body/spirit complex distortion in the proper place of love/light. This is done to ensure proper healing of the complex and eventual attunement with the totality/beingness complex. This takes a very variable length of your time/space. After this is accomplished the experience of the cycle is dissolved and filtered until only the distillation of distortions in its pure form remains. At this time, the harvested mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness evaluates the density needs of its beingness and chooses the more appropriate new environment for either a repetition of the cycle or a moving forward into the next cycle. This is the manner of the harvesting, guarded and watched over by many.

[BlatzAdict]

I wish Ra would join Bring4th and just clear all of this mess up for us

we did and we sense that some of you are us but along the way we forgot too

[zenmaster]

14.14 Questioner: Would there be any value to the people of this planet now to complete this machine?
Ra: I am Ra. The harvest is now. There is not at this time any reason to include efforts along these distortions towards longevity, but rather to encourage distortions toward seeking the heart of self, for this which resides clearly in the violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting of each mind/body/spirit complex.

[So Ra, in all of this complex being's understanding, is informing all those that it will affect and alter to not try and live a long life. If this life is as highly respected for catalyst of learning as is mentioned and expressed, then why would the attempt at lengthening one's life to prolong this amazing opportunity be reinforced? This assuredly points to a sudden quantum leap of harvest.

No, it does not assuredly point to a sudden quantum leap of harvest, as extending lifespan in that manner does nothing to prevent sudden death from a variety of other causes (which would mean a 'reset'). We have rather fragile bodies here. The idea is to polarize using the conditions available in 3D environment - i.e. catalyst offered by the veil. This environment is slowly changing (through group consensus) so as to not be amenable to strong catalyst of this type. When you do die and find that this planet is no longer suitable for polarization, yet you still need 3D lessons, you simply go to another planet- that's a type of "harvest".

[reeay]

Why do l experience irritation when I see this topic of sudden/gradual harvest?

[zenmaster]

Why do l experience irritation when I see this topic of sudden/gradual harvest?

We scan your mind complex and find that explanation is infringement.

[reeay]

We scan your mind complex and find that explanation is infringement.

Yes, Ra.

[Oceania]

because it's juvenile. abrupt vs gradual. it's like we're in a sandbox arguing over a toy we haven't seen let alone touched.

[Cyan]

because it's juvenile. abrupt vs gradual. it's like we're in a sandbox arguing over a toy we haven't seen let alone touched.

I'm starting to feel like the harvest is something that happens at all moments at no moment and the realisation was that in 1980's no one was really aware of "how gods love operates" as science/awareness expands, everyone starts to become more and more aware of that and as a result of that, the harvest is revealed to be a "nonexistant thing/everpresent reality"

Its kind of like a irritant in your brain that says something both does and doesnt exists. Your soul can tell its kind of a lie/non lie, so it really annoys it, that feels like a kind of irritation.

Thats MY interpretation but i'm 99.9%(infinite 9's) sure that i'm wrong.

Its kind of like your subconcious has to constantly filter out the harvest to keep you sane and your concious mind is intently seeking more harvest and your subconciou is going "more, isnt the level of catalyst already sufficient?"

Take it with a ocean of salt.

[reeay]

Do we over-interpret Ra? Over-think it? I was wondering if this is some part of the reason why Ra's original attempt did not yield fruitfulness... apart from the manipulation and desire to control knowledge/understanding of Ra material.

[Cyan]

Do we over-interpret Ra? Over-think it? I was wondering if this is some part of the reason why Ra's original attempt did not yield fruitfulness... apart from the manipulation and desire to control knowledge/understanding of Ra material.

Quite possibly.

I think Ra's point was kind of, ints shortest form "spirit world is doing Ok without you needing to worry, you focus on the physical, thats where "you at""

Cant oversimplify if you dont ask pointless quetions about what is the spirit world and definitions of OK.

Anything beyond confirming that as originating from the spirit world with 100% accuracy is extra. I just cant believe my luck that i'm communicating with "dead folks and angels/spirits".

Like i said, this whole thing turns my world upside-down-face

[Meerie]

Do we over-interpret Ra? Over-think it? I was wondering if this is some part of the reason why Ra's original attempt did not yield fruitfulness... apart from the manipulation and desire to control knowledge/understanding of Ra material.

I think the "overthinking" also stems from the complexity of the information given.
Ra sometimes communicates things in a way that is so hard to grasp, at least for my brain... I feel it twisting and turning in an attempt to understand what they mean.
Besides I am not sure the info given about harvest is accurate anymore.. it was channeled in the 1980s and dealing with a probable future.
In one of the books Carla recommends, about how to find out what channelings are trustworthy, they mention not to trust channels who make accurate predictions, that involve certain dates. I find that hilarious
Maybe after the harmonic convergence of 1987 and the changes happening on earth, with more and more people waking up, we all reached critical mass anyways? and passed the harvest?

[Confused]

Why do l experience irritation when I see this topic of sudden/gradual harvest?

Because you strongly believe that living moment by moment with love in one's heart is more important than divining the future, thereby losing the magic of the NOW?

[hogey11]

Ultimately, this thread sits here for those wishing to use it for their own catalyst. You are irritated because you have moved past this topic. Others might still be exploring that mystery tho, and I think we should respect that. The catalyst involved with making a choice one way or another has far reaching implications in our lives in this respect. Other than a select few, I think we're all truly gradualists at heart, unless we are TRULY preparing for a completely new reality come January (which some of us are). However, most of us, at least I think, are planning on making sure the mortgage is paid and the jobs/responsibilities are being taken care of. We're looking towards Christmas and making plans for the coming year. That is the reality for most of us.

With that being said, is there not value in being faced with the decision of accepting a gradual vs abrupt mindset? As much as the abrupt mindset is somewhat extreme, it is very similar to what Jesus often challenged people with. "Sell everything you have and follow me" is not a far shade from "polarize as strongly as possible as the harvest is now". If someone can take the abrupt mindset and turn it into greater discipline in the 'magic of the NOW', should we be irritated? Or is that just your own catalyst at work?

I think it's natural to not want to experience catalyst that is not valuable to us tho... we just have to leave those things to those who need them.