12/21/2012: David Wilcock, Harvest, Ra, New Age Gurus. What does it all mean?

[almostdone]

Well yossarian I am sorry you feel like that and I mean it because yesterday I almost felt the same way and I was very depressed and angry. Today I feel better (although still...) and I need to continue, and my intention in posting was to help someone like you, but I can see that I still have to do a lot of work with myself. So I will still read these forums (I think) but I will bow out from posting since I do not feel connected anymore to many people here.

Anger is a red ray blockage that impedes further energies to become manifested in other chakras, and it is good I think you are expressing this here because it is random in nature and you are truly focusing on what is causing this anger (and helping me to focus as well), and if we believe Ra, the only balanced emotion is love (I think someday I will get there but not through this forum, now I can see, although there are good people here).

I still think Ra was correct and dates were approximate. Whatever that means, and for me, means the possibility of an opening to intelligent infinity in the next couple of years, (I think it is reasonable to think "approximate from 2011" something like 2012-2014-15...

So until then, au revoir.

[BrownEye]

Ok I recognize this. This has taken place before on a range of forums.

New energies come in, and people have meltdowns trying to integrate these new energies.

It will all balance out after some time.

[Richard]

Channels have always been notoriously undependable. Why this is such a surprise right now baffles me. Just ask Blossom Goodchild. Actually, if you've been following most any channels except LOO for the last 9 months, you should have been noticing a growing tendency to back step on previous claims the closer it got to 12/21..

Oh well, Harvest is and always has been taking place every single day on this ol' rock since humanity first had the inkling of coherent thought.

We'll all laugh about his when we meet on the other side.

[BrownEye]

Oh well, Harvest is and always has been taking place every single day on this ol' rock since humanity first had the inkling of coherent thought.

We'll all laugh about his when we meet on the other side.

That IS true.

[spero]

Some parts of Ra basically state you need to die to be harvested... doesn't mean you should go kill yourself. You trusted those who either honestly believed a sudden shift and carefully chose out quotes to suite their argument or who outright deceived and manipulated you to their benefit. I can see why your angry Yosarrian. Still you could have followed someone who advocated mass suicide based on the same body of text....so win??

63.20 Questioner: Now as this transition continues into fourth-density activation, in order to inhabit this fourth-density sphere it will be necessary for all third-density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as death. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

[Poet]

My first entry... This one has to be a firecracker

I asked myself the same questions as you guys. Is all of this wrong what I came to believe in? Why is there no significant event? Because I thought that there would be some kind of transcendental moment in dreamtime like David Wilcock and Hidden-Hand described it.

OK, nothing happened at first sight. But yesterday was a good day for me: I had a insight to an issue in my life which employed me for the last two months. So no need for frustration for me. I thought: Even when everything in the LOO material would be proven wrong, I'm thankful for the positive things which it brought and changed in my life.

I like the scepticism here, but don't get frustrated and angry. Be instead thankful for this great place here with so many warm and wise people within! Hope this could help in some way...

[BrownEye]

63.20 Questioner: Now as this transition continues into fourth-density activation, in order to inhabit this fourth-density sphere it will be necessary for all third-density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as death. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

So we have a growing population of 4D, some not even from here, and they are all in a waiting state. This information should be coming out.

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[Parsons]

Suicide would not result in harvest. The amount of sadness, confusion, and depolarization would nearly guarantee not being harvestable. If you kill yourself, you end up in a place of healing from all the distress you caused yourself to get to that point.

As for the 21st... I am bit frustrated and anxious but not too worried at this point. The Ra Material and subsequent Q'uo Material would contradict itself if that were true. Carla, Jim, and Don challenged and/or did the prep work for each session with great care, so there is pretty much no possibility of negative interference just by Carla dedication to the service. So any remaining falsehoods would have to be an apparent severe misunderstanding about the timing of harvest being in several generations vs Carala, Jim, and Don's natural lifespans like what they implied/ what they were saying not to try build a pyramid healing machine because "The harvest is now. There is not at this time any reason to include efforts along these distortions towards longevity, but rather to encourage distortions toward seeking the heart of self, for this which resides clearly in the violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting of each mind/body/spirit complex."

[BrownEye]

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There is still hope for you guys.

Just as the world sighs in relief at having escaped the Mayan Armageddon, the ancient prophesy may still hold true. According to one archaeologist, the end could come as early as this Sunday.

­Scholars have not yet solved the ancient riddle, as the Maya calendar has not been fully decoded and correlated to the Western, or Gregorian, calendar.

Therefore the Mayan calendar's cycle, which some argue marks the end of days, might correspond to Sunday instead of the widely-rumored Friday, Carmen Rojas, an archaeologist with Mexico’s National Institute of Anthropology and History has revealed to the Los Angeles Times.

The Mayan archaeological community believes that the surviving pillars showing the Mayan calendar's dates may have been modified throughout history to suit the cultural or political interests of the day.

All of these factors made Rojas believe that the thirteenth baktun cycle, which equates to 144,000 days, or 394.26 tropical years, ends on Sunday, while others say it might be off by a full year or more.

http://rt.com/news/maya-apocalypse-re-scheduled-616/

[Parsons]

I understand why everyone is so fixated on the idea of Apocalypse with so many Atlantean and Maldekian souls incarnate on the world. I myself was obsessed with the zombie apocalypse and post apocalyptic societies before I awoke. But I have never confused the end of the Mayan's age of Pisces and the beginning of Aquarious with doom and gloom 'end of the world'. The Q'uo material gave us an update on that schenario; that it was no loner necessary to release the energy all at once due to the efforts of light workers.

[Plenum]

There is still hope for you guys.

you are so funny Pickle

thanks for your energies today. You've kept thiings movin' along ...

here's to joy, love, and plenty of humor.

plenum intergalactic service

[Monica]

http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=6256

[Cyan]

So nothing happened. It's December 21st 2012 and nothing has happened.

Good that you are only speaking for yourself.

No alien disclosure

Really? How sad, I got all the disclosure on all the aliens and groups I had wanted up until today.

No ufo landing

Really? I got the plans to build my own so I think, you know, its appropriate to build one to meet one, is it not? Or would it not be weird to want to see something land you are not willing to build so it could take off?

No mass ascension

Really? I dont see 7 billion people daily so its hard to say, could be that 6.999.980.000 people (I'll go with 20k people that would be taken to maintain my illusion, to be generous to myself) have been harvested and its "just us" that are still here? Could it not?

Or is it only ascension if its in the flickering box as the corner of the room?

"Only on today, mass ascension to a reality where you may build your own ufo's and have access to near infinite actual information (internet)"

If so, its now on the flickering box at the corner of the room

No mass arrests

Would that make this a paradise, having mass scale arrests, Aye for an Aye and what not in Piraty talk. Who's going around arresting who, it seems our elite is trying pretty hard to go around mass arresting people, would it not be appropriate to ask for a different form of mass something?

No end to the Illuminati

The game, you may always end.

No telekinesis, telepathy, or levitation

Really? I seem to see a lot of remote long distance surgeries done via remote (Tele) camera systems. A lot of telepathy (you are half way across the world, are you not) and a lot of levitation ( hot air balloons to airplanes) or are you meaning "lack of ability to use handwavium in air to float off the ground" because if you want that, there are quite a few spiritual traditions that claim you can levitate with just thought. Who knows, may want to look into those. Already having a very high degree of telepathy in combination with general health / healing abilities, I'm not interested enough in to put the required energy in to learn telekinesis or levitation. But if you do, how about it, I'll teach you telepathy you teach me levitation? Deal? Then we both have 3 superpowers plus anything else we categorize as it ( I can pick up up this stick of plastic and wiring and 40 minutes later, a dude with a pizza shows up, that i think is a real awesome superpower, (To the uninitiated, thats a joke about using a cellphone to buy a pizza)) All he asks are a bunch of colorful leaves with dudes faces painted on them, how awesome is that.

What now? The New Age gurus hyped this date up so much. What will happen now?

Well that depends on what the actual Logos level puzzle is. I have some inklings on it but nothing where I Would be able to say anything besides "I think we'll be more useful the less we know" but that it has something to do with logos co-creator experience extension + improvement.

But most of it is rather beyond me.

Short answer is:

Humanity will continue to improve until body maintanance and comfort technology is at peak (700ish years)
Humanity will slowly migrate either into one singular entity where thoughts are paraller processes (single massive machine brain)
or
Humanity will slowly migrate to individual entities where the whole is divided into smaller paraller self processes. (individual machine brains)

David Wilcock is probably one of the people in the most trouble. He has been preaching a "discontinuous shift" since the 90s. He said there will be mass ascension, telekinesis, levitation, telepathy, alien landings, UFOs offering to take people away, and many other things. He said they would happen today. He said it would be the most beautiful and mind blowing spiritual thing that ever happened to anyone. He said this point was some kind of singularity and we would enter into 4D and have light bodies and so on.

Lets see
2012, large protests with people in all white masks protesting all forms of government, wanting off the planet, most popular meme is "I dont want to live on this planet anymore" for a while.
Magnetic levitation trains.
Long distance surgery.
Automatic facial recognition/expression software allowing reading of others internal processes (thoughts) regardless of desired limits.
Aliens now largely recognized as internal entities taking alien form.
UFO's buildable for the past 40 years, people not building them *shrugs.*
Every day is just today.
I had my singularity day about 11 months ago now so dont know what ya'll talking about. But. I think we're living in a pretty magical place and if we're relatively careful, we'll live to be 1000 years or more.

The Law of One (at least in one reading) proposed a discontinuous shift that would take place in 2011. It said there would be many children with magical powers--levitation, telekinesis, etc. Some rounded this date off to 2012. What now? What does this mean for the eschatology of the Ra Material?

Nothing really, you haven't described what you want in terms of magics to be possible before writing it all off.

Right now we can take you to Alpha Centauri for 50 billion or to Andromeda for 500 billion euros, if you're traveling alone and don't mind waiting till cryogenics get their act together (all the best minds are in other fields right now) But based on studying protein cooling in animals + the field in general, that shouldn't be too far off now.

Personally, I'm saddened how few people are getting that the magic has to happen before the reveal for it to be magic.

[yossarian]

Mod note: Names have been removed. The post can be found in full in the Cognitive Distortions and Forum Relationships thread.

I have yet to hear a single empathic response from a non-believer. Honestly.

I haven't consciously believed these prophecies since maybe 2008 or so. I abandoned them because I decided that even considering the possibility that they were true was very bad for my health.

However, I still feel, and have felt, incredibly ashamed for believing such hocus pocus. For me, I mainly believed based on the strength of testimony from others who also believed. My emotions said to myself, "All these highly smart people are totally convinced, and it seems like such a nice thing to believe, and all these people even say there is SCIENCE backing it up! Maybe it really is true (commence obsession trying to find proof for the unprovable, which equates to faith in the unprovable)."

However, hearing the utterly stereotypical responses from most of you has pretty much made my jaw drop and fully emotionally ejected me from this community due to the utter lack of compassion.

You all are completely intent on continuing with New Age Business As Usual despite this massive, catastrophic failure of the New Age community. It's a failure on so many levels: a failure of the New Age movement to critically discuss itself, a failure to stick up for the vulnerable against charlatans, a failure of channelling that is widely unacknowledged (even here), a failure of empathy, a failure of compassion, a failure to organize, a failure to practice to what you preach especially in terms of accepting everything rather than only accepting a narrow emotional band of life experience. (And then calling your stuck-in-a-rut feelings enlightened rather than what they are: repressed)

If you think a compassionate response to someone in spiritual crisis is to say, "Really? No ascension happened for you? I got all the alien info that I wanted!" you are so disconnected from other people (and probably alienated from your self as well) that it seriously horrifies me. This is like serial killer level of disconnection from other people. Can you not see how this will be interpreted as FLAT, STRAIGHT UP MOCKERY OF THE VULNERABLE PERSON!?

HELLO!! PEOPLE REALLY BELIEVED THERE WOULD BE ALIEN LANDINGS BY NOW!! And you are going to flippantly mock this by saying aliens spoke to you? There is NOTHING you could say that would be crueller.

Ironically, one of the main reasons I don't post at this community is because people are SO mean. I mean holy s*** you guys think I'm mean because I'm angry, and call you unempathetic, but look at these responses! They are completely disconnected from the people they are talking to! That's not LOVE!

(removed) is like, "I love you. Now here is some completely impersonal advice." (removed) literally cannot imagine anything else to do other than give advice. He is SO stuck in telling people what to do that he's never even conceived that he could do something like empathic listening or sharing of emotionally compatible experiences or just demonstrating UNDERSTANDING. Instead, it's just 100% cold clinical "SHOULDS" even to the point of self-mockery where he says, "If I can't tell you what to do, what can I possibly say?" DUDE THERE IS A WHOLE WORLD OF COMMUNICATIONS OUT THERE THAT DON'T INVOLVE YOUR HEAVY HANDED, CONDESCENDING SHOULDS!

Then (removed) drags down the IQ and EQ of every thread with extremely inappropriate internet memes. HELLO!? Do you not realize how insensitive and cruel it is to do this? "Still here. Worst apocalypse ever." WOW DUDE. That's some really loving mockery you're throwing out. That's your compassionate response to someone in that situation?! WTF?!

Ok I recognize this. This has taken place before on a range of forums.

New energies come in, and people have meltdowns trying to integrate these new energies.

It will all balance out after some time.

Thanks for categorizing me like I'm a fucking ANIMAL or LIBRARY BOOK OBJECT, insulting my behaviour as a "meltdown" and then dismissing me completely with a "don't worry friends, he'll calm down eventually, the crazies always do!"

Seriously what?!! This is love and light (removed)?!

OMG are people getting butthurt over a harvest false alarm?

BUTTHURT?!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!? REALLY!?

Love and Light in action here. Courtesy of outright, blatant, unfiltered 13-year-old-style mockery. It's not like my issue is valid in any way--no, I'm just BUTTHURT. What exactly does BUTTHURT even mean? Because it sounds like an allusion to rape, which is NOT funny.

Why this is such a surprise right now baffles me.

(removed). Maybe because people have been looking forward to this for 30 years and investing all their hopes and desires in a single date?!?! HELLO!!! The 2011/2012 harvest was a focal point of the Ra material and there are tens if not hundreds of people on this forum who thought it would really happen. The fact that there was a debate thread is strong evidence that there are people on either side of the debate. And you're gonna imply that you don't understand why this is an issue?!

And then of course there is (removed) who Brings Fourth a nice big heap of conservative-parent-style gaslighting and suppression. "How dare you even bring this up as an issue young man!" Naturally, this is all in my head and he's not at all invalidating all my concerns.

And then of course the ubiquitous victim blaming. If anyone ever believes any lies, it is always the fault of the victim, never the liar. Let's throw out thousands of years of standard moral teachings regarding lying and replace it with: Well it's YOUR FAULT if you feel lies resonate, because it just shows that your resonance-kajigger is out of tune. It's not like professional liars specialize in fooling people. It's not like the New Age community has a responsibility to criticize and expose charlatans and frauds like any normal community. We are different. Our frauds are just there to teach you not to trust them.

If New Age frauds are there to teach the lesson of not trusting liars, mission accomplished. I will leave this community and go to a community that actually cares about truth sufficiently to VET PEOPLE and DEMAND HONESTY and OUT FRAUDS and ENGAGE IN COMMUNITY-BASED CRITICAL EVALUATION.

The New Age community is a honey pot for charlatans. And if you think your resonance-o-meter is strong enough to wade your way through the thick bullshit you're in denial. Probably all you're doing is adopting unfalsifiable beliefs rather than beliefs that could be proved wrong at some point, such as the 2012 fraud. I would prefer to adopt falsifiable beliefs and be shamed than do the completely pathetic practice called, "I only believe in things that could never, ever be proved wrong. This ensures I'll never be wrong! Yipee I am now the world's smartest person except for those things which I later decide are not true not based on any critical evaluation but rather just my feelings."

[GentleReckoning]

Much love, dog.

Enjoy exercising your free-will and discernment.

[Cyan]

Alien landings.

What are aliens and where do you think you are?

What kind of aliens do you like:

These: http://blogs.ubc.ca/changwen/files/2010/...-07-34.jpg

or these: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20...l_face.jpg

Because you'll have a better luck talking in english with the normal dialect to the latter one than the former one.

Both are as alien to the western mindset.

That being said, the fact that we know roughly where these species oughta be, how to get there and when but lack the will output to actually go through on plans besides fast food and channelings. Is entirely our fault and has nothing to do with the calendar, mayan or otherwise.

I'm betting 30 years your perceived time or less to Alpha Centauri if you get 100 absolutely committed willing participants with university education to sign onboard.

The fact that we lack the cahompas as a civilization to do it, is entirely within our right as a planet and its not infringed upon

We may continue to be a general diplomatic / party planet if we wish, its a nice slow evolutionary path

[Cyan]

In the words of my guides

[GentleReckoning]

I was wishing you well as it seems as though you are a raging inferno of anger in this thread.

Usually people in your situation burn out fairly quickly when they realize that they are alone in their fantastically poignant angst.

I don't expect to see you around for much longer, so I thought I'd wish you well while you are still around and at the same time mention that it is enjoyable seeing you exercise your free-will and discernment in regards to things you read on the internet.

[Aaron]

Mod note: Some posts have been split to the Cognitive Distortions and Forum Relationships thread. Please continue discussion about the Bring4th community and personal relationships in that thread.

[Ludi]

Yossarin,
I understand your frustration at the current state of things. Now personally i believe that Dec 21 was a mainly a metaphysical event operating outside our perception of space and time however with the sheer amount of people claiming that 'mass ascensions' and the like were going to occur there are many, many people who share your feelings of being misled. Spiritual pride and pride in general is what i feel has hurt human advancement significantly, and some of these self professed 'spiritual saviours' have exploited many people's desire for a hero and others that have smelt the possibility of wealth by exploiting people's hope. Other's have had a sincere desire to help humanity but have been manipulated themselves by negative entities and have spread false info that way.

On a personal note i believe feeling as if you are being gaslighted can be just as psychologically damaging as it actually happening. However the feeling does give you the opportunity to choose whether to continue down this road or not.
Even if all this new age stuff was utter bullshit and i've just gone crazy, it's given me some unique experiences and changed the way i view previous experiences into a more positive light.
And all in all what's life but experience? I have found that the LOO is an excellent framework to process my experiences through personally, making me feel not only as if i've got more from this earthly experience than if i had not encountered it but i feel like i have had more positive impact on the others because of it. But hey that's just me.
Don't feel bad for being skeptical of it all, blind faith is unwise, the only truth i want you to believe is that that comes from within you.

It's your choice, and your choice is your right, I wish you all the best regardless of what you choose though i do hope you'll stay with us
With love my brother <3

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I'm glad i could help but i honestly don't think the people here think they're any better than you. Granted there are a lot of charlatan spiritualists in the new age movement that definitely have that attitude, but i think the people here are honestly trying to help in the way they think is best. Everyone is different and will express their feelings differently and since these people are into the LOO they probably feel as if expressing advice through the context of the LOO is the best way to help you out. I would've done the same myself but i went through a similar crises to you about a year ago and understand the need to have info and advice presented in a way that's not in the method that you are questioning the reality of.
Honestly friend even if it doesn't come across that way i'm sure they love you and are just trying to help in their own way.
You will find your answers

[joelwedd]

Dear Light Workers and Wanderers,
Around me I feel and indeed see, love and togetherness at work in my friends, colleagues, and family. These are mostly people with no or little spiritual awareness, who joke about "doomsday" prophecies, and say things like "I'm going shopping!" Yet the love and togetherness is palpabe. I won't call it unity, that is not there yet. But this shift is bringing in the positive. I am asking my fellow seekers in other groups if they have this experience, and some are confirming it.
It is still individual choice of course, but love and light are here to stay. It is also our choice to experience it as a higher vibration, or fret about charlatans and being misled. My personal experience has been one of love and light for quite some time, and I did not experience any change in that. But experiencing this change in people who are consciously unaware of spirit is lovely and inspiring.
In the light, Joel
Btw I have identified my self as 5D. I'm familiar with David's dedicated work to open the way for Wanderers, and that of my friend Scott Mandelker, and studiedI it back in the 1990s.

[Jeremy]

Yossarian, you exclaim your disappointment(putting it as nicely as possible) in the lack of compassion and so called love in regards to your feelings on the matter but the channelings have always stated that being of service sometimes means telling someone what they may not want to hear for the sake of the mirroring effect so that the particular person can find the answer themselves. I'm not sure what you're looking for in regards to your personal betrayal.

I'm not gonna say, "well your S.O.L on the matter". Honestly, maybe I just never resonated with the harvest as much which is the reason I'm not as upset. Or that I'm still fairly new to this info or that I am just happy it taught me a much more balanced way of life and how to handle life's hurdles.

I'm sorry you feel so broken and lied to but maybe try to find the pure albeit light hearted intentions behind what people are trying to tell you instead of taking them as insults and attacks.

[Shin'Ar]

I have yet to hear a single empathic response from a non-believer. Honestly.

You all are completely intent on continuing with New Age Business As Usual despite this massive, catastrophic failure of the New Age community.

Shin'Ar is like, "I love you. Now here is some completely impersonal advice." Shin'Ar literally cannot imagine anything else to do other than give advice. He is SO stuck in telling people what to do that he's never even conceived that he could do something like empathic listening or sharing of emotionally compatible experiences or just demonstrating UNDERSTANDING. Instead, it's just 100% cold clinical "SHOULDS" even to the point of self-mockery where he says, "If I can't tell you what to do, what can I possibly say?" DUDE THERE IS A WHOLE WORLD OF COMMUNICATIONS OUT THERE THAT DON'T INVOLVE YOUR HEAVY HANDED, CONDESCENDING SHOULDS!

I thought to respond via a personal message in the thinking that it would offer you a more intimate display of true concern and attempt at two way interaction.

But after consideration I also realized what a waste of time it would be if you just deleted it as soon as you saw my name attached to it.

Here it is at least available at any time.

First of all I am going to point out that anything that anyone has to say about what they think or feel is going to be what you are classifying as 'shoulds'.

What would a forum be if we were all doing nothing but listening?

What would there be to listen to if all of us were simply listening? The sound of deep breathing maybe?

But as soon as someone responds to you with true intention to address the issue which you rose, you say that all you really wanted after all was for them to listen to you.

So lets all just sit back and listen to Yossarian rant and we will have a long thread of posts with much bold type and oversize lettering telling us all what he thinks.

I don't know if you can grasp what I am trying to get at here Yosarrian, but there it is.

Now, with regard to New Age crap. I agree with you.

And I am as far from a new ager as one can get.

Most here frown on my constant reference to The Ancient wisdoms.

But what you are missing here is that, like all religious and cultural attempts to discern existence, much is intermingled and manipulated.

And I think you know this. However in your frustration with recent outcomes, you are now just tossing the baby out with the bathwater.

You don't want to hear anyone's honest thoughts and suppositions. You just want someone to pat you on the back and agree that you got ripped off and you have a right to be pissed.

But then, if that were true, why did you come to probably the one place in all the communicating world where that would NOT happen.

Because you wanted to lash out at those people who you believe were also fooled, so that you could slap them in the face for being so naive, rather than take that slap yourself.

What you are missing is that many of these members do not consider this a slap in the face, but rather another lesson from which to learn and grow.

And that has served to further infuriate you because you hoped that your ranting would make them feel the same pain and betrayal which you felt, and when it didn't work out the way you wanted it to, you were left a raving field of anger.

Have you listened?

You no longer want to hear anyone's thoughts now that all previous thought process has betrayed you.

So what now?

Are you closed to everything that any other person might now have to offer you?

Do you now believe that the only thing worth believing in is whatever you can manage to devise as truth and possibility?

Then I suggest to you my friend that therein lies your biggest problem.

You 'should' not 'believe' in anything.

As soon as speculation and supposition give way to belief, one has closed the book and concluded their seeking.

You are not mad at the charlatans or the members who attempt to engage your discussion, or even the failed prophecies.

You are angry that you have nothing left to believe in or anyone now to place your faith in.

You have always been a follower, and now you have been left alone in that grassy pasture without the shepherd.

Yosarrian its time to step up to the plate.

This is evolution, not see how many times you can chase the ball around the bases.

The carrot has been taken from your sight and now you must continue this journey alone.

Is this not what you are thinking my friend?

Beware! For you are never alone. There is guidance everywhere around you.

And interacting with it encompasses much more than mere listening and following.

Without speculation there is no consideration of choices and possibilities.

Without both failure and success there is no contest.

Without action and reaction there is no interaction.

Don't just stand at that plate and listen to the badgering and coaching of the team players. Swing and try to hit that damned ball to see what might happen.

It seems from your interactions here that you are the type that goes up to bat, and if he gets to third he relishes the glory of his success and enjoys the pats on the buttocks from his teammates.

BUT, when he strikes out...!

Well, in a screaming fit of temper and tantrum, it's everybody else's fault.

Take my advice or not. I have no expectations of anyone. And I am certainly not going to be shocked when my advice is taken out of context. As a matter of fact I more often do expect that to be the case.

That which you have now deemed to be New Age trash and betrayal, is really nothing more or less than any other religious speculation that has occurred over thousands of years.

The human may not always be the brightest star in the sky, but please don't take away our option to speculate and discern for ourselves.

It's all we really have that we can call our own.

It is what makes us what we are.

It is what brings us to where we will be.

Believe if you choose, but do not be shocked when that belief comes crashing down under the weight of truth. Expect it and be ready to move on.

My advice? Do not believe in anything, because anything is possible.

Speculate and theorize; but never believe.

[GentleReckoning]

Thanks for publicly expressing yourself Shin'ar. As I'm seeking it seems as though I will daily give up, turn my back on guidance, and lose faith only to take that next step the next day. And the day after the cycle repeats.

It seems as though all that growth really does is increase the speed at which catalyst flows through your life.

Much love

[BrownEye]

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It seems as though all that growth really does is increase the speed at which catalyst flows through your life.

That increase in speed is the Chariot archetype making sure you get where you need to be

[Shin'Ar]

Thanks for publicly expressing yourself Shin'ar. As I'm seeking it seems as though I will daily give up, turn my back on guidance, and lose faith only to take that next step the next day. And the day after the cycle repeats.

It seems as though all that growth really does is increase the speed at which catalyst flows through your life.

Much love

As all drivers are aware, speed can be balanced with the slightest braking of momentum, without ceasing the continuance toward the destination.

How fast we get there is not the real goal.

Where 'we' think we are going is the real checkered flag.

[BrownEye]

[Shin'Ar]

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I can see you have never owned a Rottweiller.

Mine craps on everything it owns and eats it and plays with it anyway.

Must be the german heritage.

[Ashim]

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I can see you have never owned a Rottweiller.

Mine craps on everything it owns and eats it and plays with it anyway.

Must be the german heritage.

What do you mean by this?
You have an issue with germans?