Homosexuality

[Monica]

I think it's unrealistic to say that energy transfers are all the same. Energy transfers aren't even the same among hetero couples! One hetero couple might have much more efficient energy transfer than another. There are many factors that come into play, not just whether they are gay or hetero. But it is one of many factors.

I don't think they are all the same either, and I agree there are many other factors, but they have the same potential imo, and Jim seems to make a distinction here, implying that homosexual relationships might not be as effective in red ray. That is all.

Could Jim have just been acknowledging the whole baby issue? In that heterosexual sex can lead to creation of a new entity (red ray) and homosexual cannot?

I dunno. Feel free to phrase a follow-up question and I'll ask him for you. But please listen to the the earlier show first, if you haven't already, to get clear on what he actually said.

I don't remember exactly. I just know it wasn't anything intended to be judgmental towards gays, in any way. In fact, I've heard Carla stand up for gays before. I think she said something about it in Book V, or maybe it was Wanderer's Handbook.

[Meerie]

Thanks guys, reading this thread has cleared some stuff up for me.
Forget about what I said re judgmental.
I learnt something today "southparkmode"
:idea:

[norral]

in reading this thread which i find very interesting and heart opening i got a vibe. it said, let go of all judgement , love unconditionally and totally. some powerful stuff is happening on the earth. tremendous heart openings are occurring. i believe it is easier now to achieve unconditional love than ever before. and the reward is great. great peace have they who release all judgement from their hearts.


norral

[spero]

Thankyou for sharing your experience Siren. Your post gave me warm fuzzy feelings lol. The creation is a wonderful place with so many experiences to offer and learn from. Thanks again for sharing

[Phoenix]

Hey, jumped in late.

To my mind, it seems that so much of 'where we live' is an energy blockage that it's difficult to really make any judgements. Another relationship pointed out as less than perfect is marriage itself.

I have a cousin who I have often suspected is homosexual. Just a lot of little things have made me think that. The 'I love that picture' which is ever so slightly homoerotic. The jokes that are way too far gone and make a person ask 'how did you ever get that far?' Quite a few other little signs.

I felt the other day when he was sitting next to me that I wanted to ask him directly, but I didn't. We have a good connection but whenever I either a) think of something to say about girls or b) simply ask directly in the absence of a. But I don't. The whole things a tightrope. So I feel I can't talk to him in a genuine way if I have to deliberately 'disconnect' at certain moments.

Which is a shame, because he's family and the lost connection, whatever way he leans, seems so senseless.

[Charles]

In Life Between Lives (LBL) hypnosis, we take people to the lives they live (there is no such thing as "death"), between incarnations.

Soul growth happens while we are in bodies with the veil in place, and as souls between lives we learn to understand what lessons we are still in need of. We have access to the past life library (akashic records), and also have many Guides and Teachers and Elders to help us.

Our Teachers can be shape-shifters. Many remain as they originally appear, and some may shift if a teaching would work better with it. Some are frogs or donkeys or dwarfs, etc. Some appear male or female and some are neither.

We may choose, perhaps, to learn about how powerful and wonderful we are, or perhaps we need to learn more about humility.

And while we have help figuring these things out, we really do make these decisions for ourselves and by ourselves, nothing is forced.

So, for instance, a decision to incarnate as a deaf mute may be because of so many past lives as a pushy loudmouth. Balance is important.

Why some souls choose to become a part of a difficult minority, like a black Jewish crippled gay man for instance, may be to learn of the inner strength they have, to learn to be proud of themselves, to really learn more of their self worth the hard way. Or may be because of a past life lived as a racist homophobe.

Each one of us is unique, so reasons given for any decision would have to be incomplete. But I do think that a soul self who chooses homosexuality is a brave soul. We keep learning and growing, but we don't always succeed in every life, anything is possible.

Our lives are our teachers. Every hardship, disease or accident, is a well designed teacher. Loves that are real and true, as well as betrayals, are our teachers. Mistakes are our teachers. Joy and grief are both teachers.

Learning to love ourselves and others, with joy and patience, would be a tremendous growth lesson. You are a brave soul spero.

[Shin'Ar]

4D orgies ! oh man those will be awesome, lots of love around.

Orgies? That is how you define love/

Wow, very different from my own definition.

Not a whole lot of intimacy and one on one interaction in an orgy, but hey, to each his own.

[Unbound]

I presume you are speaking from extensive personal experience with orgies, yes, Shin'Ar?

I'm a pretty mono guy myself, but I can also admit that I've never tried anything else either.

[Shin'Ar]

I presume you are speaking from extensive personal experience with orgies, yes, Shin'Ar?

I'm a pretty mono guy myself, but I can also admit that I've never tried anything else either.

far too many!

[Cyan]

The same thing "caused" your homosexuality as "caused" everything else.

Curiosity in seeing what it would be like to be a homosexual version of yourself.

Most go through that phase in childhood or early childhood and find it unappealing for the long term.

Sometimes it is. I for example still like to dress up in wizard clothes and pretend I Am one while I Do my universal magic that changes my cosmos. I Could just as easily believe I am tripping some mystical worlds of lizards and wines. But I prefer to think of it this way. It is much more awesome if I am a "wizard costume" guy that just does hallucinogens and doesnt have an outer behavior change. For me. Its curiosity in seeing how well I can maintain my life in the positive despite not going into the fully creative periods.

ITs a matter of choice to be who I Am, but its not a matter of am I myself here or Myself there. But rather, Either I am myself, or I am not myself. IF i am not myself I Am looking for myself.

So. Let me put this in another way.

The same way as being gay is away from the norm.

So is being a wizard away from the norm.

Both offer equally interesting and unique Catalyst.

Enjoy your life path. My choice in being straight amounts to this.

I'd prefer to be a woman over a man,

Lesbian over Straight

Straight over Gay.

Full over partial.

And since full gender requires being born into it, my long term plan is to watch and help humanity evolve around a line where the effective gender becomes irrelevant because we can all reproduce by "technology" and effectively lose our "gender" and only become a matter of which jibbly bits and roles feel better.

So. I'm and will remain a Man but am trying to, intentionally, make the world a effectively unigender / asari / pathenogenesis place.

So that everyone can reproduce with anyone regardless of gender, age, race of even species because the process is so well guided by intelligence.

Dunno if thats a good idea but that seems to be the thing.

If it works. Then all forms of sexual pair form will vanish from legal and proper parlance and turn to "partnership" which will be joined with all other forms of partnerships and people will simply ask "reproductive or business" AKA: Res Publica or Res Privata partnership.

If i can take a slap of saliva from *Insert female B4* over there and its all I'd need to produce a child with half her DNA in it and half of *Insert other female B4* DNA over there. Assuming both would consent, then where is the traditional parenthood and sexual role barriers there?

Anyway.

Tl;Dr. all sexual minorities will eventually get explicit same rights with everyone else as traditional reproduction falls away with advent of technology. *hug*!

[Shin'Ar]

Assuming both would consent, then where is the traditional parenthood and sexual role barriers there?

parenthood is much more than traditional.

There is a factor involved here which you overlook, and that is the Divine Design.

Just as you cannot wield power over it in any other way, you will never alter the ways that the natural energies mimic the Divine Duality.

There is a reason for such differences within the natural creation that are deeply bound to the Divine Character, and to deny that is to deny the Divine Authority.

I understand your thinking and your need.

But I am afraid that challenging nature, rather than working with it, is beyond any beings ability.

There are many creatures which are abandoned at birth and that is the natural method of their coming into existence in that form. It is not that parenthood minus one of the genders is wrong, or impossible. It is simply that by design that is how the human naturally matures from infancy.

Raised without one of those natural processes will have a consequence.

Living despite that consequence may not be impossible, or even burdened. But it would be an unnatural rearing.

We can see the manifestation of this already in society as a whole, as it misses the maternal aspect in the family setting.

Not a chance or mistake, as much as a deliberate manipulation by the elite in order to satisfy their greed for the flesh.

Society has been designed by them in such a way that both parents must now work in most families in order to manage the cost of raising a family. This means that most children are being raised unnaturally by nannys and babysitters. They are not being given the nurturing of the maternal and paternal aspects of nature.

And we can see the results in the more recent generations in their lack of morality, compassion and respect for human life.

Now before you all pile on me again, I am NOT saying that all children of the past few generations will show those symptoms.

I am simply pointing to what you should all be aware of anyway. That our social structures are changing radically, and not for the better.

Many children do not respect their elders. They have no regard for the treasure of human life. They are far more self centered than they would be if they had been offered the maternal care of a mother which had been available to them in the home at all times, rather than just long enough to pick them up, bring them home, and put them straight to bed, only to be taken away again in the morning.

How could such a life not detract from a child's regard for family and their humanity?

Cyan, I know you are involved with some Luciferian group and I have no idea what they practice, but I can advise you as a friend that if they teach such things as you are proposing here, you should really think deeply and search within to discern those teachings.

I am not judging your decision by my own moral code. I am simply offering the same advice to anyone under any circumstance.

This is not about my impression of cults, but about the need to always be open to advice and ideas that may not be what you want to hear.

Even you must agree that being open minded is the only way to learn and gather information. And being open minded means considering thoughts that might not fit into your patterns easily, and yet might be the means to taking you into a higher path and access to higher ability and truth.

The choice and the discerning is completely up to you. All we can do is share each other's thoughts and concerns.

If you take insult every time someone offers you something that you do not like to hear, prepare to live a life of constant insult.

[Cyan]

IF you spent half as much time advising me on what group i should or should not belong to as you do on writing a 2-3 line compressed version of your post for every long version. I predict your life would perceive half as much insults from me.

[Shin'Ar]

IF you spent half as much time advising me on what group i should or should not belong to as you do on writing a 2-3 line compressed version of your post for every long version. I predict your life would perceive half as much insults from me.

alrighty then, so you took insult anyway.

I shall avoid sharing with you at all, as there is no way for me to know what sharing will insult you and what will not.

Just put me on your ignore list and you will not see any of my posts. that's what many here do.

[Monica]

There is a reason for such differences within the natural creation that are deeply bound to the Divine Character, and to deny that is to deny the Divine Authority

...challenging nature, rather than working with it, is beyond any beings ability.

There are many creatures which are abandoned at birth and that is the natural method of their coming into existence in that form. It is not that parenthood minus one of the genders is wrong, or impossible. It is simply that by design that is how the human naturally matures from infancy.

Raised without one of those natural processes will have a consequence.

Living despite that consequence may not be impossible, or even burdened. But it would be an unnatural rearing.

We can see the manifestation of this already in society as a whole, as it misses the maternal aspect in the family setting.

Not a chance or mistake, as much as a deliberate manipulation by the elite in order to satisfy their greed for the flesh.

Society has been designed by them in such a way that both parents must now work in most families in order to manage the cost of raising a family. This means that most children are being raised unnaturally by nannys and babysitters. They are not being given the nurturing of the maternal and paternal aspects of nature.

I agree!

I think it's important to distinguish between what's optimal and doing the best we can. My definition of optimal would be for the child to have a calm, natural, peaceful birth, breastfed on demand, organic foods, a drug-free childhood (no injections of poisons), a stress-free, happy environment, loving parents representing both male and female energies, a stay-at-home caregiver, plenty of hugs, support and encouragement, tailored education, etc.

That may be optimal, but very few of us were lucky enough to have the perfect, idyllic childhood. And even those wishing to bestow such a childhood on our children, usually fall short in some way, despite our best efforts.

Unfortunately, defining that 'optimal' method of rearing children isn't quite so simple, beyond the general terms I just used. Ask anyone who had a stay-at-home mom, in a traditional family setting, but with abuse, whether they might have preferred a loving environment without any abuse, with gay parents or a single mom who put the child in a daycare.

I would have taken loving gay parents and a daycare in a heartbeat, over the 'traditional' but abusive family setting I had.

Many hetero couples lack the maternal, nurturing qualities, often due to financial circumstances as you said. Conversely, many gay couples are able to offer both male and female energies. So while I agree that it's optimal to offer both energies to the child, sexual orientation doesn't necessarily determine the type of energies they offer.

Nevertheless, I do still agree with your overall point that, even though most of us usually fall short in some way, we shouldn't lose sight of the ideal.

[Ankh]

Sometimes kissing my partner in public or holding their hand in a busy street brings on a twinge of fear of judgement.

Always when seeing homosexual people expressing their love for one another publicly fills me with such a joy. Too bad we don't see it that often in the streets. I was actually thinking about that, that there are too few expressions between these couples compared to all the expressions that are seen between heterosexual couples. But I guess that the fear of judgement would make even the boldest one to be shy. Anyway, thank you for expressing your love to your partner publicly, spero. Just know, that there are some people out there who fill with joy when seeing you two.

[Monica]

Love love LOVE this! Powerful!

2 Lesbian Parents raised a child and this is what they got

These are good too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-cB0tDBgpM <<== I liked the last one the best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahbvi0Jj6lQ&feature=fvwp <<== good points!

This is a really heart-warming story of 2 gay men, who had been together for 24 years, and adopted 5 abused children. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp16BVPtyvk
"Frequently, the kids least likely to be placed (because they are 'problem' children) are the ones that end up adopted by 2 men or 2 women"

And here's a curious twist:
Anti-Gay Couple Denied Right To Be Foster Parents

[spero]

Shin'Ar there is love in each moment if you know where to look...even orgies.

Divine authority is a meaningless concept for there is love and divinity in all creation.

Thanks for the links Monica

Thanks Ankh for sharing that. Such a simple act, a kiss, with so much potential to polarize the people around you

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In retrospect i disregard my comment on divine authority being meaningless lol

[Shin'Ar]

Shin'Ar there is love in each moment if you know where to look...even orgies.

Divine authority is a meaningless concept for there is love and divinity in all creation.

Thanks for the links Monica

Thanks Ankh for sharing that. Such a simple act, a kiss, with so much potential to polarize the people around you

Have to repsectfully disagree there Spero.

I do not see Divine Authority and Design as meaningless.

And I do not dent that there may be some form of love that can be realized in an orgy.

But it is not the same as the intimate love shared between two lovers.

If the type of love that one seeks is not the intimate bond between two people than I am sure orgies are the way to go.

But the intimate love of a couple, regardless of orientation is defiled by the sharing of that intimacy with another or others, in my opinion.

[Aureus]

defiled by the sharing of that intimacy with another or others, in my opinion.

Let's say, all parties have opened green-ray, making the interaction one of unconditional love.. What difference would the number of parties involved make? Where is there room for defilement?

[Shin'Ar]

defiled by the sharing of that intimacy with another or others, in my opinion.

Let's say, all parties have opened green-ray, making the interaction one of unconditional love.. What difference would the number of parties involved make? Where is there room for defilement?

The defiling of which I speak is not in the results of that which may be achieved by a group sexual encounter.

I speak of the defiling of the intimacy between two people enjoying the specific type of intimacy that is created in such a bond between two fields.

For example, to create the Sacred Eye, sacred to me in its design of connection between two fields, has that level and aspect of its design.

Anything which would interfere with that two way connection and that sacred mating, would be a defiling of it. or a defiling of the microcosm of the design.

However the Design in its macrocosmic aspect has other means of sharing and connection which further fulfills the functioning of the Design as a whole.

The fact that there can be an orgisitc realization of the Flower of Life and its intimacies between many, does not mean that there is also not a very different experience had in the microcosmic experience where two alone connect.

Without the first connection of two alone, the further connecting aspect of the Flower cannot even begin.

That aspect of two alone in an intimate birthing of the process to follow is sacred and its intimacy is intruded upon by any imposition of interference of it.

There is the divine intimate connection between The One and The fragment in its individual state of being as it evolves, between individual fragments as they connect with each other, and between all connections as a whole.

Each are very different aspects of the entire process.

[spero]

Perhaps your right Shin'Ar. Its clear from reading your posts that the lens we see the universe through is different. Not in a negative or positive way, just different. You place importance in certain ideas and concepts above all others and i wouldnt seek to change what you consider sacred.

To clarify and maybe allow you see things through my lens, my issue was never really with Divine Design or Divine Duality. I did take a little offence to the way you overgeneralized an entire generation (of which i am a part) as being one which largely lacks "morality, compassion and respect for human life." When you spoke on behalf of "Divine Authority" in saying all this was contributable to a deviation of the mother/father child rearing dynamic, i took offence as a gay male at your concept of Divine Authority, since it would suggest also that same sex couples are unfit to raise children.

i dont imagine offence is even your intention, so consider this simply a sharing of my perceptive faculties with you and not an argument or accusation.

[Cyan]

You are able to move, grow and communicate with others of your species and live long enough to take care of either your own children, or pass of your own individual learning onto others sufficiently so that your specialty has contributed.

You're a perfect("optimal") life form already.

[Shin'Ar]

Perhaps your right Shin'Ar. Its clear from reading your posts that the lens we see the universe through is different. Not in a negative or positive way, just different. You place importance in certain ideas and concepts above all others and i wouldnt seek to change what you consider sacred.

To clarify and maybe allow you see things through my lens, my issue was never really with Divine Design or Divine Duality. I did take a little offence to the way you overgeneralized an entire generation (of which i am a part) as being one which largely lacks "morality, compassion and respect for human life." When you spoke on behalf of "Divine Authority" in saying all this was contributable to a deviation of the mother/father child rearing dynamic, i took offence as a gay male at your concept of Divine Authority, since it would suggest also that same sex couples are unfit to raise children.

i dont imagine offence is even your intention, so consider this simply a sharing of my perceptive faculties with you and not an argument or accusation.

Well first of all Friend Spero, where you are new to the community you would not have previous experience with my thoughts on the matter of homosexuality and gender roles, so Ill accept your misunderstanding as simple inexperience with me.

However it is a misunderstanding and misrepresentation of my understaniding to suggest that I think that same sex couples would be unfit to raise a child.

I have intimate relations with two such couples whom I respect deeply and have great impressions of regarding their efforts to raise their children. And I am extremely glad that those children were able to find such loving homes and parents where the alternative would have been the insecurity of orphanage life and lack of parental role models.

I will also say that one of these couples would be the first to agree with my statement that when one or the other model is missing from the equation of family dynamic, that such does have consequences in that child's life, as well as those who attempt to offer the very different roles of maternal and paternal influences.

The other couple although I love and respect them dearly, and support their love and family in any way that I can, would have problems with my understanding.

I do appreciate your respect of my right to manage my impressions and understandings in my own way, and to hold sacred things pertaining to my particular understanding. Some here in this community do not respect that very vital aspect of evolution of consciousness. I return the same respect to you.

I will also stand by my assessment of western society, as a whole, for the past couple of generations, being victimized by its extreme liberal tolerances and efforts, in that our children, being raised by day care centers and babysitters, results in many children who lack the nurturing influences and direct intimate teachings of a maternal and paternal guidance.

Of course there are the extremes of both sides which Monica attempted to use to defend her thinking. I have never stated that there are not certain situations in which variances of those different elements of parental influence can be found in homes of same gender parenting.

Believe me there are many men I know who are not as manly as this girl friend I have who takes the male role in the parenting structure of their family. She intimidates me with her manliness, and I am not easily intimidated. She has a very strong male character about her. Some do not even like to be refereed to as a female at all and expect their friends to think of them as male.

And responding to them in such a way is very easy given their character and personality. So in that particular regard yes, there is definitely a paternal influence in that home and family situation.

Should we assume this dynamic in every home of same sex parenting?

Monica can if she likes I suppose. I would not be as gullible.

It is my experience and therefore understanding that there are many homes where the parents are both either very female oriented or male oriented and the child is missing one or the other of those parental influences.

Which is the more common? I have no facts or statistics to offer, but I do have my impressions.

My point is simply that there is the Divine Design, which can be seen through most of the animal kingdom, and is further revealed in the Flower of Life and its natural functioning, that both male and female influences are important to the natural development and stability of a human child.

That so not to say that it is seeking perfection and ideal circumstance as Monica inaccurately suggested.

But rather it is to recognize that the roles are uniquely different and for that difference alone the lack of one should reasonably have some consequence.

Furthermore, with regard to the consequence of children being raised in a society where parental guidance and influence is diminished by the modern day western parents' inability to spend quality time with their children, I recognize many symptoms of such lack in our social structure today.

Is it possible that those of these generations are unaware of suck lack and difference between circumstances of rearing processes? I would say yes, there is probably very little actual understanding and awareness of it and i can fully understand how they would be offended by such acknowledgement and speculation.

There is also the fact that there are also many other reason why the recent generations of children upcoming in today's society are the way they are. Access to very different technological lifestyles is amoing these.

I in no way declare that same gender parenting, and/or the need for both parents to work away from the home and their children, are the only factors affecting the moral compass and state of being of today's youth.

I am sure that you would acknowledge that today's youth, having access to instant and constant communication would result in very different states of being and experiences from those of us raised in a world where the phone was restricted to landlines connected to homes and pay booths.

Can you even imagine a day where you were unable to instantly converse with someone that was a daily part of your life? How might your life be different had you not had such instant access?

And what the influence of media on our lives and the formation of our understanding of life?

Those of us raised without television, or with only two or three channels, and no 24 hour coverage of media interests, might say that we had missed out on a great deal of global information. And others might say that the lack of such media bombardment allowed us to avoid the brainwashing affect of such media.

It is my opinion, and I am certainly not alone, that many of today's children, having been raised in very different circumstances, are very different from those of us not raised in those situations.

Are there extremes which Monica would effort to apply here as a denouncement of my statement. Of course there are. there are always extremes. but extremes do not over ride the generality.

As I have often attempted to relay to her in an effort to ease some of her apparent concern and dissatisfaction with societies many seemingly incompassionate ways, we simply cannot ignore the dynamics involved in the overall generalities.

Today's society is ripe with malcontent and suffering due to the way that the last couple of generations have been raised.

What society would not be a manifestation of the circumstances in which its citizens were raised?

The 'young offenders act' and the extreme promiscuity tolerated in today's social setting is having adverse affects in many ways that are being experienced by society as a whole, in general, are just two of many other aspects which result in the suffering and degradation of western society and its tolerance of intolerant situations and practices.

When the criminal has as much right to victimize as the victim has to protection, society will suffer the freedom of the criminal and their lack of fear of punishment.

Most would agree to this.

Why is it so hard to suppose that the lack of one of the parental influences, or of any parental influence at all, would also have consequences on society as a whole?

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You are able to move, grow and communicate with others of your species and live long enough to take care of either your own children, or pass of your own individual learning onto others sufficiently so that your specialty has contributed.

You're a perfect("optimal") life form already.

Wow, talk about your generalizing and placing all your eggs in one basket.

That statement might refer to some individuals, maybe even most of us, but it certainly does not apply to all individuals and circumstances.

Is that ostrich talking or the chicken, because if it is the ostrich, then maybe you might want to check for sand surrounding your neckline, lol.

Just a joke between us based upon our recent interactions Monica and her PM cult.

No need to interject in Cyan's defense here.

believe me, I am fully aware that he is capable of redressing me and putting me in my place with his own methods.

I prefer not to interact with him as I have already said because he, like you tends to take offense where none was meant, but that does not mean that we cannot manage that ourselves. Nor does it mean that some things that he posts will not be of interest to me or be deserving of my response.

Please Monica, allow us to have our own interactions and form our own impressions of each other despite your belief that we should not.

[Monica]

Should we assume this dynamic in every home of same sex parenting?

Monica can if she likes I suppose. I would not be as gullible.

Misrepresentation and an uncalled-for jab. I never said any such thing. In fact, I agreed with you on that point!

Are there extremes which Monica would effort to apply here as a denouncement of my statement. Of course there are. there are always extremes. but extremes do not over ride the generality.

As I have often attempted to relay to her in an effort to ease some of her apparent concern and dissatisfaction with societies many seemingly incompassionate ways, we simply cannot ignore the dynamics involved in the overall generalities.

Misrepresentation. Being that I just agreed with some of your main points, I can only wonder as to your reasons for this.

I thought you made some good points, but overgeneralized others. It's ironic that you seem to have missed the parts I agreed with!

Just a joke between us based upon our recent interactions Monica and her PM cult.

This is a thread about homosexuality. Any personal grievances should be addressed in the appropriate venue, not here.

I prefer not to interact with him as I have already said because he, like you tends to take offense where none was meant, but that does not mean that we cannot manage that ourselves. Nor does it mean that some things that he posts will not be of interest to me or be deserving of my response.

Please Monica, allow us to have our own interactions and form our own impressions of each other despite your belief that we should not.

LOL!!!! Um...Shin'Ar...I agreed with you on your main points about male-female energies in parenting. (I also agree with Spero that some of those points were overgeneralized.)

Why are you bringing personal grievances into a thread about homosexuality?

[spero]

Thanks Shin'Ar for the clarification of your stance. It helped clear up much of my misunderstanding of your earlier post.

[spero]

an interesting link i stumbled on today. i thought i'd share it because it helped challenged some of my ideas of intimate relationships being limited to just two people

[Monica]

an interesting link i stumbled on today. i thought i'd share it because it helped challenged some of my ideas of intimate relationships being limited to just two people

Here is a related thread that you might find interesting and helpful:

Bring4th Forums One > Life on Planet Earth > Sexual Revolution

There are many various viewpoints presented in this discussion. In particular, there is some discussion about sexual energy transfer according to Ra, as pertaining to the chakras.

I think it really depends on whether the person is looking for lower chakra activity or higher chakra activity. I don't believe it's possible to have group sex here in our current 3D reality, with the exchange being on the higher chakras. Such group sexual activity would be more likely limited to the lower chakras. That's isn't good or bad; it just is what it is, and something to be aware of.

Edit: My above comments were about group sex, and the New Age idea that if one isn't willing to jump into an orgy they're uptight. I think the idea that one can have a love-based sexual interaction with a group of people they just met, is foolish. There's just no way a group of people who don't know one another can expect to have sexual energy exchanges at the green and higher chakra levels, because they haven't taken the time to develop those relationships in the committed, open and honest way that is required for higher-chakra sexual energy exchange.

AFTER I posted that, I watched the video. Clearly, these 3 men are developing the very thing I just said couldn't be done in a 1-night orgy. The commentators stated that what they have is very rare, and it's easy to see why. I found the video very interesting. I didn't totally believe the one man who said his therapists were wrong that there was something missing, and I could only wonder if, on some level, what they really wanted was a son. But, it's really not for me to judge!

At any rate, this video supports my viewpoint, rather than refutes it, because what these 3 men are developing is that long-term, committed, trusting, honest relationship that only happens over time.

What I'm saying is that there is a clear distinction between long-term committed relationships, and casual sex, regardless of how many are participating. Someday we will all be having group sex on the Sun. But that will be without a veil. My main point is that we have to keep in mind that we're still veiled, and until we pierce that veil, the idea of instant love amongst people we just met, might be unrealistic.

But these 3 men in the video...that's something totally different, that I didn't even know existed. I guess it's more akin to the polygamous families.

Thanks for sharing this! Interesting to gain insight into these alternative lifestyles.

As long as they're based on love and mutual consent, hey, whatever!

[AnthroHeart]

in reading this thread which i find very interesting and heart opening i got a vibe. it said, let go of all judgement , love unconditionally and totally. some powerful stuff is happening on the earth. tremendous heart openings are occurring. i believe it is easier now to achieve unconditional love than ever before. and the reward is great. great peace have they who release all judgement from their hearts.


norral

Indeed. The heart energy flowing through me right now can be so strong that it hurts. I have to balance in and out flowing 4D energies.

[kainous]

I can only share my experiences and beliefs, because these are just the experience of which I have become aware. That being said, I'd like to weight in just from what I feel from my own life.

Since starting the Law of One material (I have read parts of it 3 or 4 times, but have only just started reading from beginning to end), it has elucidated the Bhagavad-Gita, the Bible, Edgar Cayce, and a few of the other prophecies and records that I've read. It seems to bring so much together, and the number of complications about the material seem to fewer than with many of the other subjects that I have read.

So I believe I'm a wanderer, mostly because it resonates with me, but also because I sometimes feel I'm being communicated with during consciousness with other-selves which don't communicate by words, but directly by thought. I'm not sure what density I'd have belonged to, even after tests.

What I do know is that I have grown up in a small town, at least an hour and a half from any real population. It was a town that was/is extremely hostile towards non-conformant sexual roles of any kind. Regardless, I knew from early on that I was gay, with no romantic or sexual interests in women. It didn't stop me from trying, because I was certain that it wasn't good that I cause stress to those who wanted to believe that there was an issue with it.

Growing up with a Christian background, I also wanted to do right by God, but God (or higher-self, or God through my higher-self) always just said, "I love you."

So, after I learned that I have actually come to this 3rd density once before (as a red-headed girl in Spain), the concept of coming through as a woman, then a man, again resonated with me on that regard. I was here to help people; therefore, I choose to come in both times with issues related to social acceptance, as catalyst to specially understand those that aren't socially acceptable.

Shin-Ar, you have some true understanding (although at a basic level) about those who parade in leather and chaps in public, but what you misunderstand is that they are reacting to the negative catalysts that have been thrown at them by demonstrating that they are not to be controlled. It's a reaction similar to what happens when a yellow-ray and red-ray dominant person is pushed into a trash can, and the bullied person fantasizes about hurting the bully or about showing the bully that they cannot be affected. In this case, they are trying to show a societal construct that they cannot be bullied.

Regarding sexual energy transfer, firstly you are right that it is not as efficient, unless one is to find the same magnetic polarity between the two individuals such that the transfer truly provides each to the other which they lack. Second, I'd like to express that sex is not necessary for sexual energy transfer (especially of green-ray and higher). I've been with my partner for 13 years, and we have expressed sexual transfer without sex for years now (and I'm only 33, not so old that it's commonplace).

Regarding children, I will not adopt or have a child through surrogacy, not because I don't believe in it, but probably because the wanderer in me doesn't have the interest in the possible karmic loop that may occur. Instead, I helped raise my much younger brother, help with my partners nieces and nephews, and invest in my 2nd density pals.

However, my testimony on this means little, because it's one person's testimony. It's also probably a wanderer's testimony, which may or may not match those of 3rd density homosexuals. However, what I can say on the matter is that perhaps we are not any different except for the amount and type of catalyst that has been heaped on us during this incarnation that are leading us towards polarization (in either direction).

I've noticed that we are typically highly polarized in comparison to the rest of the population, which may have a lot to do with the catalysts.

However, regardless of polarity, of understanding, of sexuality or sexual identity, we are other-selves. We are yourself as other-selves. You are us as other-selves. We are all due the experiences in front of us to gain and learn and cherish. We are all due the experiences to forgive or control as well.

[Monica]

Thanks so much for sharing, kainous! Many blessings to you and your partner!

What I do know is that I have grown up in a small town, at least an hour and a half from any real population.

This part makes me wonder about what Ra said about the confusion due to large cities. It's one of only a handful of quotes that didn't totally resonate with me. (Which is really not bad, considering I found less than a handful, in the whole of the Material...all the rest was right on.)

I have wondered if maybe Ra just didn't have much experience with homosexuality on their planet, so maybe just didn't really know and were just guessing...?